TOM MOULTON — A Tom Moulton Mix

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i have no idea why it retails for $25 here. has the exchange rate really gotten that bad? the double disc is selling for 12 pounds in the UK apparently.

Dustygroove.com has it for $18.99

― Jay Vee's Return (Manon_69), Thursday, 20 April 2006 20:19 (7 years ago) Permalink

Weird, I had a similar *devastated by music* moment in the car last week listening to Patrice Rushen's "Haven't You Heard" from the Levan "paradise" dbl CD.

Last week I played this song approximately 80 zillion times.

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Thursday, 20 April 2006 20:26 (7 years ago) Permalink

reducible though they may be, how Dixieland are some of these? the banjo break on Al Downing, the clarient soloing through "Peace Pipe"

― Beta (abeta), Thursday, 20 April 2006 22:13 (7 years ago) Permalink

it's as if everyone was revving up for the Bicentennial

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 21 April 2006 00:45 (7 years ago) Permalink

I'm guessing the lean in this comp towards Philly Soul rather than straight disco was intentional (Soul Jazz having put out philly comps before, etc)

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Friday, 21 April 2006 01:24 (7 years ago) Permalink

I love how long he took to bring in the vocals on Patti Jo's Make Me Believe In You, and stripped down the music becomes when he does. It's a reverse of most the mixes on the collection.

― Jacobs (LolVStein), Friday, 21 April 2006 01:52 (7 years ago) Permalink

No room on the mix for his incredible version of "We're On the Right Track" by Ultra High Frequency (on the Disco Gold LP)? WHY NOT??

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Friday, 21 April 2006 02:55 (7 years ago) Permalink

I just ogt this in the mail today
http://www.discogs.com/release/330728
the Tom Moulton mix is amazing.

― Jacobs (LolVStein), Friday, 21 April 2006 03:05 (7 years ago) Permalink

no liner notes in the part 2 vinyl.

― danny boy (danny boy), Friday, 21 April 2006 08:56 (7 years ago) Permalink

once again, the SJ liners are suspect.

― Beta (abeta), Friday, 21 April 2006 13:23 (7 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

Bump! I received this in my mailbox today. Holy Smokes. There are Tom Moulton mixes galore as well as a bunch of Patrick Adams productions/arrangements. One of the better disco comps in recent years, IMHO.

― Jay Vee's Return (Manon_69), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 00:36 (7 years ago) Permalink

wow! i only know like ... three of those tracks!

― Captain TeenTalk (vahid), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 00:49 (7 years ago) Permalink

I've only heard four of those, I think. Is this being released on vinyl? It looks amazing!

Is "Make it last Forever" by Donna McGhee the same song as "Make It Last Forever" by Inner Life?

― Jacobs (LolVStein), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 00:55 (7 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, same song, Jacobs. But Donna McGhee is just eons above ...ssssexy...whew.

― Jay Vee's Return (Manon_69), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 01:15 (7 years ago) Permalink

Shit, this comp is really great. I 've played the insane "Too Hot To Stop" a bunch of times over tonight because it's almost too good to be true.

― Jay Vee's Return (Manon_69), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 01:24 (7 years ago) Permalink

Seriously, Jocelyn Brown's voice is pretty sexy, and the song makes it last forever, ten minutes long.

― Jacobs (LolVStein), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 01:31 (7 years ago) Permalink

Looks good! I'm surprised I know more tracks than Vahid, but I've been rocking the P&P comps lately. Y'all need to get on that new Joey Negro boogie compilation too!

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 01:50 (7 years ago) Permalink

Heh, that Deep Disco Culture comp should be arriving in my Dusty Groove order any day now. Glad to hear it's as great as it looked.

― rentboy (rentboy), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 11:52 (7 years ago) Permalink

The only thing I'm sad about is I *LOVE* the vocal on "So Much For Love" but don't have a good rip of the Tom Moulton vocal, so I wish they hadn't put the instrumental on

― rentboy (rentboy), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 11:53 (7 years ago) Permalink

this is (i guess) as good a thread as any to bump, cos i just got this in the mail earlier in the week and it's terrific.

was familiar with a few tracks already, but there's are many ace tracks on here that are completely new to me. Def worth picking up for the Vince Montana & The Philly Sound Orchestra "That's What Love Does" track alone. What a great, great moment in time.

― rentboy (rentboy), Friday, 12 May 2006 17:07 (7 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

"Weird, I had a similar *devastated by music* moment in the car last week listening to Patrice Rushen's "Haven't You Heard" from the Levan "paradise" dbl CD. I had recently heard a gospel cover of "Haven't You Heard" that converts the "I've been looking for you" into an address to Jesus, and it was so bizarre-yet-comforting to return to the sexual and secular original and have it sound 10 million times better . . ."

Ha ha. This is really the best song ever.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 28 May 2006 13:16 (6 years ago) Permalink

I, too, got blindsided by a track on that Larry Levan comp that I never particularly loved before: Chaka Khan's "Clouds." So effing gorgeous! I've been listening to that set for the last couple months pretty much constantly. And I just bought the Tom Moulton set two days ago, so that'll add to the party...

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Sunday, 28 May 2006 21:33 (6 years ago) Permalink

4 months pass...

been listening to this all week (i've had it for months and months and never really got the chance to dive into it) ...

can i just say that this

a) rules

b) sounds like capital-D-disco, unlike lots of the other disco comps making the rounds (dimitri, muro, joey negro, deep disco culture, etc) which in a certain way makes it even more tremendously awesome, because here's a comp that cleaves straight to all of the disco cliches and still makes it sound like the best thing ever, as opposed to "did ya know disco also means dubby reggae and banjo solos??" vibe of lots of the other comps

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 18:42 (6 years ago) Permalink

otm

i should listen to this more

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 18:44 (6 years ago) Permalink

Yeah I've been listening to this a lot lately. Thats a good summation of its sound I think (vahid). Pfork's review of this came out this week for some reason, and I was a little disturbed by how vague the writer was about Moulton's actual contributions, attributing him much more capital I "Influence" than he deserves and as a result doing a disservice to exactly what it was he DID do (compare with Matos' excellent city paper review)

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 19:14 (6 years ago) Permalink

i love the bit in the liner notes where he tells grace jones he doesn't want her to sound like "the black bela lugosi".

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 19:15 (6 years ago) Permalink

Or perhaps its not so much 'more' influence as a misplaced influence - "But as Moulton's mixes got progressively more epic, he ably introduced elements that would influence everything from electro-pop to Detroit techno. Witness Orlando Riva Sound's "Moonboots": subterranean bubbles and pulsations, wiry synths, and fulminating guitar shimmers."

Weren't most of those elements introduced into that particular song by Anthony Monn?

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 19:16 (6 years ago) Permalink

i wonder sometimes when people are reviewing this sort of thing if they actually a/b them

― bo janglin (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 19:18 (6 years ago) Permalink

matos and i were actually talking about this comp yesterday, prompted by the pfork review, and i realized i still haven't heard it! (it's so goddamn expensive here.) on the other hand, i played both discs of the levan comp twice today.

― bo janglin (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 19:19 (6 years ago) Permalink

"actually a/b them" = you mean listen to the originals, right???

judging by how very, very little people usually have to say about what levan or moulton or krivit or whoever have actually done to the tracks, i would guess "no"

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 19:23 (6 years ago) Permalink

http://www.citypaper.com/music/story.asp?id=11869
...actually does

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 19:25 (6 years ago) Permalink

but hell, even "love saves the day" or "last night a dj saved my life" or whatever have very, very little to say about production technique.

we always hear about mancuso's koetsu cartridges and klipsch speakers and whatnot, without ever hearing about what exactly this all means except a big price tag and "oh it sounded good"

it takes one sort of person to have a working knowledge of 70s production techniques (i imagine dudes like francois k have already forgotten what they were doing, studio kinda cloudy and all that) and another sort of person to want to write rockcrit, and i imagine there's not very much overlap (phil s comes to mind, though)

xpost nice, matos

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 19:28 (6 years ago) Permalink

it also calls to mind an unnamed ilxors comment another thread where he says something like "so i've been playing around w/ fruity loops and logic a bit and it strikes me how elementary in construction a lot of this is" LOL call let us know when you get your record deal, dude.

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 19:30 (6 years ago) Permalink

I seem to remember Turn the Beat Around having a fair amount of production discussion in it, at least when it comes to Tom Moulton.

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 19:30 (6 years ago) Permalink

i still have to check that one out ... didn't peter shapiro do some liner notes for nuphonic / bbe??

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 19:33 (6 years ago) Permalink

no, that was tim lawrence...

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 19:35 (6 years ago) Permalink

Pitchfork: Eddie Kendricks' "Keep on Truckin'" establishes Moulton's modus operandi: blaring horns, strutting bass, frothing doo-wop, and cooing voices lined with synthesized silk.

1. "frothing doo-wop"? this is what we call background vocals now?
2. wouldn't the cooing voices be part of the (cough) "frothing doo-wop"?
3. there are no synthesizers on "Keep on Truckin'"

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 19:59 (6 years ago) Permalink

list of parts of this album

1. "more more more" doesn't turn into the isley-brothers-esque anti-war soul-folk jam that the first thirty seconds promises

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 20:02 (6 years ago) Permalink

at least pitchfork is trying.

― bo janglin (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 20:02 (6 years ago) Permalink

i swear, whenever the song starts i expect harry chapin to start singing (did harry chapin ever go disco??)

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 20:03 (6 years ago) Permalink

ah, that should've been "list of disappointing parts"

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 20:03 (6 years ago) Permalink

we used to be pissed that pitchfork wasn't ILM

now that it is, we're pissed they're not good enough at it.

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 20:04 (6 years ago) Permalink

i found a bunch of old drum and bass reviews at the end of briehan's justice review today. they were weird.

― bo janglin (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 20:07 (6 years ago) Permalink

"hears to the future" was one of the worst EPs i've ever heard.

paul cooper ... well, shouts for being the first brave soul to take the electronica beat on pitchfork (schreiber excepted, ha) but sometimes i wondered what planet he was from.

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 20:16 (6 years ago) Permalink

(planet 4 years behind the curve, basically)

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 20:16 (6 years ago) Permalink

haha I know Pitchfork is trying. still, hearing synths on a song that has none is reaching a bit.

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 20:25 (6 years ago) Permalink

I think Moulton was mostly about the tape edit and subtle extentions/re-structuring of songs. A lot of those classic "mixes" of his were done just as some guy with a tape of the song, not the original unmixed multitracks, so there's only so much you can do. I've never a/b'd tracks though. Gibbons stuff is much more obviously extremely remixed, to the point of pissing off the original arrangers/producers.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 21:17 (6 years ago) Permalink

very recommended Shapiro "turn the beat around". I think it's much better than and insightful of "loves.." and "last night.." (not that those are bad!, but are a bit too much dj myth centered).

― minerva estassi (minerva estassi), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 21:49 (6 years ago) Permalink

and Soul Jazz rules! (yeah they are bit priced but they worth, and also is a very difficoult job to make (great) compilations, as many of you know)

― minerva estassi (minerva estassi), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 21:51 (6 years ago) Permalink

"b) sounds like capital-D-disco, unlike lots of the other disco comps making the rounds (dimitri, muro, joey negro, deep disco culture, etc) which in a certain way makes it even more tremendously awesome, because here's a comp that cleaves straight to all of the disco cliches and still makes it sound like the best thing ever, as opposed to "did ya know disco also means dubby reggae and banjo solos??" vibe of lots of the other comps "

This is so OTM. I've been writing the exact same thing about the Levan comp - my favourite tracks are all the ones where it would be absolutely impossible to attach a "(not disco)" after the "disco", which is kind of refreshing given the (otherwise mostly justified) russell/beardo crit circjerk.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 21:53 (6 years ago) Permalink

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― JacobSanders, Thursday, 17 May 2012 22:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

damnnn. how much does that cost?

― tylerw, Thursday, 17 May 2012 22:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

10 cds = totally insane, but oh so tempting.

given that this tom moulton box is the first time i've properly dived into the philly sound, i have to say this stuff just sounds so good.

of course, i've heard a few of these tracks before, and even have a couple scattered about on disco compilations/mixtapes, but to have a complete 4 hour session in one box drives home how good it is.

oh, and to top it all there is a 10 minute version of lou rawls 'you'll never find a love like mine', which is worthy of entry price alone.

xpost : the big 10 cd boxset = £40 in the uk

― mark e, Thursday, 17 May 2012 22:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

for completion, here is the rundown on the tom moulton set :

Following on from the massively popular Philadelphia International: The Re-Edits package, here is the 2nd release in our special Philly 40
campaign which is celebrating the 40th Anniversary of Philadelphia International Records. Welcome to the hugely anticipated Philadelphia
International Classics: The Tom Moulton Remixes .

Tom Moulton s involvement with Philadelphia International spans the entire 40 years of their existence with many of his early mixes unaccredited in the era before the 12 Disco Disc. In 1977 PIR released the ground-breaking historic original double LP Philadelphia Classics which featured 8 of Tom Moulton s greatest PIR mixes. The album has subsequently been reissued several times and is rightly hailed as a must have classic for ANY serious music lovers collection.

We have now taken all 8 tracks featured on the original Philadelphia Classics added a further 7 lost Tom Moulton mixes which have previously
never been easily available and commissioned a further 16 BRAND NEW Tom Moulton mixes on The O Jay s Back Stabbers , The Intruder s (Win, Place or Show) She s A Winner , Billy Paul The Whole Town s Talking , Robert Upchurch The Devil Made Me Do It , The Three Degree s Year Of Decision and When Will I See You Again , Archie Bell & The Drells Let s Groove and Where Will You Go When The Party s Over , Lou Rawls You ll Never Find Another Love Like Mine and See You When I Git There , People s Choice Jam Jam Jam (All Night Long) , Teddy Pendergrass I Don t Love You Anymore , The O Jay s This Time Baby , The Futures Party Time Man , Jean Carn s My Love Don t
Come Easy and The Jones Girls Nights Over Egypt .

This will be 31 true full-length Philadelphia International Classics in total delivered in a deluxe box with 4 separate CD s plus a 16 page booklet
with sleeve notes by Lloyd Bradley and containing some rare photos of Tom Moulton and Sigma Sound studios.

In short, Philadelphia International Classics: The Tom Moulton Remixes will be one 2012 s most revered releases.
About the Artist
Disc 1:
1. Back Stabbers 9.36 The O Jays
- Original U.S. Single Chart Debut 08/07/72
2. (Win, Place Or Show) She s A Winner 7.28 The Intruders
- Original U.S. Single Chart Debut 19/08/72
3. Slow Motion 7.47 Johnny Williams
- Original U.S. Single Chart Debut 09/09/72
4. Love Train 6.14 The O Jays
- Original U.S. Single Chart Debut 20/01/73
5. I ll Always Love My Mama 9.41 The Intruders
- Original U.S. Single Chart Debut 12/05/73
6. The Love I Lost 12.28 Harold Melvin & The Blue Notes
- Original U.S. Single Chart Debut 22/09/73
7. Dirty Ol Man 8.17 The Three Degrees
- Original U.S. Single Chart Debut 06/10/73
Total Playing Time: 61.31

Disc 2:
1. The Whole Town s Talking 8.39 Billy Paul
- Original U.S. Album Chart Debut 24/11/73
2. Love Epidemic 7.32 The Trammps
- Original U.S. Single Chart Debut 29/12/73
3. T.S.O.P The Sound Of Philadelphia 5.42 MFSB Featuring The Three Degrees
- Original U.S. Single Chart Debut 02/03/74
4. Year Of Decision 6.44 Three Degrees
- Original U.S. Single Chart Debut 09/03/74
5. Where Do We Go From Here 5.30 The Trammps
- Original U.S. Single Chart Debut 18/05/74
6. Love Is The Message 11.30 MFSB
- Original U.S. Single Chart Debut 13/07/74
7. The Devil Made Me Do It 10.35 Robert Upchurch
- Original U.S. Single Release Didn t Chart
8. When Will I See You Again 5.52 Three Degrees
- Original U.S. Single Chart Debut 28/09/74
Total Playing Time: 62.04

Disc 3:
1. Trusting Heart 5.58 The Trammps
- Original U.S. Single Chart Debut 23/11/74
2. Bad Luck 8.00 Harold Melvin & The Blue Notes
- Original U.S. Album Chart Debut 01/03/75
3. Trammps Disco Theme/Zing Went The Strings 6.41 The Trammps
Original U.S. Album Chart Debut 10/05/75
4. Do It Any Way You Wanna 5.30 People s Choice
- Original U.S. Single Chart Debut 19/07/75
5. I Love Music 9.43 The O Jays
- Original U.S. Single Chart Debut 01/11/75
6. Don t Leave Me This Way 11.03 Harold Melvin & The Blue Notes
- Original U.S. Album Chart Debut 06/12/75
7. Let s Groove 10.20 Archie Bell & The Drells
- Original U.S. Album Chart Debut 27/12/75
8. You ll Never Find Another Love Like Mine 9.57 Lou Rawls
- Original U.S. Single Chart Debut 15/05/76
Total Playing Time: 67.12
CD 4
1. Where Will You Go When The Party s Over 9.05 Archie Bell & The Drells
- Original U.S. Album Chart Debut 22/01/77
2. Jam Jam Jam (All Night Long) 7.42 People s Choice
- Original U.S. Album Chart Debut 26/06/76
3. I Don t Love You Anymore 8.41 Teddy Pendergrass
- Original U.S. Album Chart Debut 19/03/77
4. See You When I Git There 9.36 Lou Rawls
- Original U.S. Album Chart Debut 16/04/77
5. This Time Baby 9.50 The O Jays
- Original U.S. Album Chart Debut 29/04/78
6. Party Time Man 9.09 The Futures
- Original U.S. Single Chart Debut 13/01/79
7. My Love Don t Come Easy 10.46 Jean Carn
- Original U.S. Single Chart Debut 22/12/79
8. Nights Over Egypt 9.12 The Jones Girls
- Original U.S. Single Chart Debut 13/02/82
Total Playing Time: 74.01

― mark e, Thursday, 17 May 2012 22:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

Stream

― Brakhage, Thursday, 17 May 2012 22:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

... of the 4CD set (which is great), not the 10

― Brakhage, Friday, 18 May 2012 18:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

thanks, listening now!

― tylerw, Friday, 18 May 2012 19:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

god, this is really great. no way to stay in a semi-bad mood while this is playing, that's for sure.

― tylerw, Friday, 18 May 2012 20:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

indeed :-)

― mark e, Saturday, 19 May 2012 00:15 (1 year ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

http://soundcloud.com/strut/bang-the-party-bang-bang/s-77Fw0

― owenf, Wednesday, 13 June 2012 10:15 (11 months ago) Permalink

5 months pass...

this 4 cd set is by far the best thing i have heard this year ....

― mark e, Friday, 23 November 2012 22:46 (6 months ago) Permalink

4 months pass...

so so so so so so so good

― Woody Ellen (Matt P), Sunday, 24 March 2013 08:05 (2 months ago) Permalink

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