― Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 01:12 (nineteen years ago) link
― xenografia, Tuesday, 22 March 2005 01:13 (nineteen years ago) link
― jones (actual), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 01:19 (nineteen years ago) link
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 13:02 (nineteen years ago) link
― sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 25 March 2005 09:28 (nineteen years ago) link
i'm always fascinated by vibrato, or the lack of it. yep
― Surmounter, Tuesday, 31 March 2009 18:29 (fifteen years ago) link
like judy garland's vibrato is really soothing. but i don't always love beyonce's vibrato.
― Surmounter, Tuesday, 31 March 2009 18:30 (fifteen years ago) link
people suck at using vibrato these days IMO
bring it back
― fight the real NME (Curt1s Stephens), Tuesday, 31 March 2009 18:32 (fifteen years ago) link
Also, try to avoid tension in your jaw (aka DON'T DO WHAT I DO ARGH)
sigh, 4 years later I still have the same issues
― BADGES DON'T GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO WALTZ OFF WITH A BABY (HI DERE), Tuesday, 31 March 2009 18:35 (fifteen years ago) link
I think this is a resonance/technique issue; Judy Garland has a very warm voice compared to Beyonce, so her vibrato will come across as more relaxed and elegant.
― BADGES DON'T GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO WALTZ OFF WITH A BABY (HI DERE), Tuesday, 31 March 2009 18:38 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah... it seems like beyonce doesn't always let her vibrato do what it wants to, comfortably
― Surmounter, Tuesday, 31 March 2009 18:44 (fifteen years ago) link
you know, the warmth of judy's voice is so neat. i can feel the heat!
― Surmounter, Tuesday, 31 March 2009 18:45 (fifteen years ago) link
re: relative lack of vibrato in indie - looks like this question upthread wasn't fully addressed
I think it goes back to what Dan was saying about early music and straight tone singing connoting purity, and by extension lack of affectation. I could be totally mis-remembering music history, but vibrato was seen as having a sensual, thus sinful quality and for a while wasn't accepted in religious music.
I don't think the lack of vibrato in indie has anything to do with instrument balance and is mainly about seeming unaffected or untrained, thus more "authentic," especially compared to the pop/R&B aesthetic that is built on vibrato and other vocal affectations.
― unexpected item in bagging area (sarahel), Tuesday, 31 March 2009 20:35 (fifteen years ago) link
martin gore to thread!
― rio (r1o natsume), Tuesday, 31 March 2009 21:12 (fifteen years ago) link
btw I knew it would be Surmounter who bumped this
― Plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 31 March 2009 21:17 (fifteen years ago) link
! you
― Surmounter, Tuesday, 31 March 2009 21:18 (fifteen years ago) link
More threads like this please.
― ecuador_with_a_c, Tuesday, 31 March 2009 21:20 (fifteen years ago) link
can someone start fuckin with vibrato in 2009 for youtube/ilx?
― Plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 31 March 2009 21:24 (fifteen years ago) link
please do that, plaxique. i would post things
― Surmounter, Tuesday, 31 March 2009 21:25 (fifteen years ago) link
jane siberry talking about kd lang's vibrato and stuff:
We were in separate booths, but something wasn't quite happening, so we stood together in the middle of the room. It was that physical-presence thing. She has a wide vibrato, and as we stood close we could see into each other's eyes as we sang. Looking at someone while you work has that feeling about it as with lovers. Finally, the engineer said, "Cool it with the vibrato! We're starting to feel seasick in here." About two weeks later, I was singing on my own and my vibrato started to get really wide. I think just by standing near her, her whole system was teaching me something that I needed to know.
― iro with the brown bag (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 31 March 2009 21:37 (fifteen years ago) link
That's a pretty common thing to have happen, particularly when dealing with singers who listen and blend; there's really nothing quite like matching vibratos with someone.
― BADGES DON'T GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO WALTZ OFF WITH A BABY (HI DERE), Tuesday, 31 March 2009 21:39 (fifteen years ago) link
how come you know all this stuff?
― Plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 31 March 2009 21:41 (fifteen years ago) link
he smart, educated.
there's nothing like matching vibratos is RIGHT
― Surmounter, Tuesday, 31 March 2009 21:42 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm assuming their talking about Calling all angels?
― Plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 31 March 2009 21:43 (fifteen years ago) link
it's because he has sung with vince gill
― Ømår Littel (Jordan), Tuesday, 31 March 2009 21:45 (fifteen years ago) link
and martina fuckin mcbride
― Surmounter, Tuesday, 31 March 2009 21:45 (fifteen years ago) link
Also, I'm really interested in this now, like I don't really get the physics of how it makes your voice louder or even where it originates from in the voice.
― Plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 31 March 2009 21:46 (fifteen years ago) link
its not the loudness of your voice, its the width of your vibrato
― iro with the brown bag (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 31 March 2009 21:48 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.pollstar.com/filestorage/CommunityServer.Blogs.Components.WeblogFiles/pollstar/0811090438076721480_2496_v1.jpg
http://www.smithmag.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/ElvisC.jpg
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― Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 31 March 2009 21:48 (fifteen years ago) link
I don't really get the physics of how it makes your voice louder or even where it originates from in the voice.
as I understand it, the sound is resonating in a larger space inside your mouth/throat, thus more sound is produced. Sometimes it ends up picking up or being influenced by the harmonics of the room, at least it does/did for me, before I started smoking a pack a day and quit singing.
― unexpected item in bagging area (sarahel), Tuesday, 31 March 2009 21:54 (fifteen years ago) link
That's pretty much it, from what I know; more space = more amplitude = more volume.
I've been singing professionally since 1991. (Note that really the only enduring thing of note that I've done is sing in a chorus on the "Mystic River" soundtrack on songs where you can't actually tell a 60-voice chorus is singing along with the orchestra; this was the same group who did "Saving Private Ryan" the year before I joined.)
― BADGES DON'T GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO WALTZ OFF WITH A BABY (HI DERE), Tuesday, 31 March 2009 22:08 (fifteen years ago) link
keep thinking about this thread whilst listening to the Dirty Projectors, like the guy is this weird mix of indie shoutiness and strangely skilled, on those opening lines of rise above where the vibrato suddenly swings out of straight notes esp.
― Plaxico (I know, right?), Wednesday, 15 April 2009 11:56 (fifteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IL4nX5r71M
dunno if this is the right thread for this, I think it is, but looking for more instances of this thing bobby caldwell does sometimes like in this track where he sort of...emulates a delay I guess? but manually, with his voice
― Florin Cuchares, Saturday, 22 July 2023 07:01 (nine months ago) link
like there is absolutely straight up delay on the vocal as well, but particularly on the second verse it sounds he is just doing it himself like some kind of rare genius
― Florin Cuchares, Saturday, 22 July 2023 07:05 (nine months ago) link
may also be mixing up delay and reverb? I dunno I'm a drummer
― Florin Cuchares, Saturday, 22 July 2023 07:11 (nine months ago) link
No it’s delay! Horace Andy does this too
― Tracer Hand, Saturday, 22 July 2023 08:29 (nine months ago) link
Jacob Miller too...
― m0stly clean (Slowsquatch), Saturday, 22 July 2023 11:24 (nine months ago) link
yes thank you that's pretty much exactly what I mean, I know very little about reggae but is this basically the invention of dub? like oh wait, we could just feed everything thru a delay pedal
― Florin Cuchares, Sunday, 23 July 2023 09:18 (nine months ago) link
No. Sounds like he's mostly trying for a Barry Gibb thing but the last line of the song he definitely mimics delay.
― John Donne In Concert (Tom D.), Sunday, 23 July 2023 09:49 (nine months ago) link
yes! barry gibb absolutely, to be clear not advancing the theory that bobby caldwell invented dub, was in reference to horace andy, like was dub something that emerged from some reggae singers doing this in the 70s and then guitar players wanted to do that too
― Florin Cuchares, Sunday, 23 July 2023 10:11 (nine months ago) link
The other way round.
― John Donne In Concert (Tom D.), Sunday, 23 July 2023 10:23 (nine months ago) link
That reminds me that I was listening to Moby Grape recently and Peter Lewis does a kind of tremeloed thing with his voice on some songs...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adF3Lc-g5Ac
― John Donne In Concert (Tom D.), Sunday, 23 July 2023 10:26 (nine months ago) link
... tremolo or vibrato or whatever. Seems like something singers did in the 60s? I don't know if Donovan did it first but I associate it most with him...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JR8k8jpT3tw
― John Donne In Concert (Tom D.), Sunday, 23 July 2023 10:29 (nine months ago) link
love that the cat. # of the bobby caldwell LP in the youtube embed is POOP 20240
― budo jeru, Sunday, 23 July 2023 16:57 (nine months ago) link