Jimmy Saville is still alive...

why are there so many circus-themed words for "clusterfuck"?

Well, you know what they say about CIRCUS PEOPLE.

Watson wasn't talking about Peter Morrison...

On Sunday former Conservative minister Edwina Currie claimed that a leading Tory MP during Margaret Thatcher’s era had sex with underage boys.

She claimed in the Sunday Times that she had heard Sir Peter Morrison, Thatcher’s parliamentary private secretary and deputy chairman of the party, had sex with 16-year-old boys when the age of consent was 21.

Sir Peter died aged 51 in 1995.

Mr Watson later wrote on his blog: 'I am not naming the person for obvious reasons but for clarity it is not former MP, Peter Morrison.

'This afternoon my office has been bombarded with calls regarding Morrison, I think because he was named by Edwina Currie at the weekend as having inappropriate sexual relations with teenage boys.

'I’ll say more when I can but this may not be for some time.'

hope he's insured against accidents

I've worked out who the rumour concerns (not Ted Heath).

is it an mp/former mp?

That's what I'm seeing alluded to on [insert name of social network here].

daily mail cracking out the rape jokes:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2222228/Mac--The-victims-Jimmy-Savile-filing-compensation-claims-worth-millions.html

Classic example of wrong usage of there/their on one, but mostly taking to task style coments..

did barry manilow write a song about this former mp or is he in a different political party?

He's in the party of inviting Savile to Chequers.

...and I must stress that I've only seen the name come up, not the exact nature of the offence.

did it happen on boats?

a while back, my wife mentioned watching a documentary on tv that implicated British nobility in child sexual abuse cover-ups. At the time I sort of laughed her off because she has a track record with believing things from late night cable tv that I have to later debunk and we'll get in fights or whatever.

So does anyone know what this documentary or show might have been? Or have any further background on the matter? Because now that this Jimmy Saville thing's getting international press, she's been periodically glancing up at me from her tablet to say "I fucking told you."

David Icke's World of Birds

did it happen on boats?

did it happen on a boat?
did it happen with a goat?

did it happen in a tree?
did it happen, bbc?

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

I'll note that a shufty around D. Aaronovitch's Twitter feed/conversations today will give the curious A NAME.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-20061001

Fleet Street routinely nurtures a crop of untold stories about powerful abusers who have evaded justice. One such is Peter Morrison, formerly the MP for Chester and the deputy chairman of the Conservative Party. Ten years ago, Chris House, the veteran crime reporter for the Sunday Mirror, twice received tip-offs from police officers who said that Morrison had been caught cottaging in public toilets with underaged boys and had been released with a caution. A less powerful man, the officers complained, would have been charged with gross indecency or an offence against children.

At the time, Chris House confronted Morrison, who used libel laws to block publication of the story. Now, Morrison is dead and cannot sue. Police last week confirmed that he had been picked up twice and never brought to trial. They added that there appeared to be no trace of either incident in any of the official records.

http://www.nickdavies.net/1998/04/01/the-sheer-scale-of-child-sexual-abuse-in-britain/

Accused is also a teenager, I think. One of the reasons they are not being named.xp

I know it's 15 years old but my God that Nick Davies piece is relentless.

From the Savile nephew piece:

"I just think it's very, very sad you can say these things after someone's died and the law says you can't defend yourself when you're dead."

Damn the law for forcing this silence on otherwise chatty corpses.

Accused is also a teenager, I think. One of the reasons they are not being named.xp

Name being bandied about on twitter last night, not repeating here because I'm not keen on finding out the intricacies of libel law the hard way.

He was named at the time of the original arrest in May (which is why people know the name to spread around, and why I know who it is) but most references to this have been redacted and is now deliberately NOT being named. He's 17 now, I think was 16 at the time of the alleged offences.

also it's a completely separate and unrelated case

Agreed. It wasn't me that brought it in, but I can see how with no other details someone could make a connection to 'BBC actor in sexual assault'. The politician referred to by Tom Watson (if I'm making the right connection) is also a completely separate and unrelated case.

Or rather, there has been an unrelated accusation against a senior Tory politician. Tom Watson obviously is a fan of David Icke, as he has long held this chap was at the heart of a secret Tory paedo cabal, but I'm unaware of any other rumours or suspicions.

Watson's contribution was really unhelpful. The accusations against Morrison appear to be unrelated, possibly not even criminal now, and clarifying it was someone else he was talking about just gives license for speculation. The names being linked have either been the target of completely outlandish conspiracy theories or simple homophobia for years .

Yeah, that BBC article doesn't actually mention that it's a BBC actor, so not sure why it was brought in here, but since AG seems keen on identifying people I thought I'd give him a hint. Now you mention it, I think I remember the actor in question being named about something earlier in the year.

ShariVari otm - the Morrison thing seems to be stuff that wouldn't be criminal now; alternatives offer free rein for homophobes/conspiracists to make suggestions about any ranking Tory they've thought might be gay.

Why is it that other sectional groups are always communities, but paedophiles are always "rings"? They need better PRs.

Still a page on Daily Mail website with news story about teen actor's arrest back in May.

is it the chubby one from harry potter? he always seems to be getting in trouble with you lot.

did a daily mail search re: sick's post...if it's that guy then jheeeeeze

Communities have 'leaders' and PR spokespeople.

"Rings" have no one person having a greater 'status' than any other member.

rings have leaders. ringleaders, you could call 'em

stet: worryingly au fait with paedoring hierarchies imo

does anyone ever use "ring" for anything except paedophiles?

it's like a murder of crows.

might place an ad somewhere suggesting starting a "book-reading ring"

jazzercise ring

Satanists maybe?

art thieves also prone to meeting in circles iirc

liberals

Organised crime ring, anyone?

http://www.reocities.com/cryssi18/webring3.jpg
http://www.webring.org.uk/cropcircle/title.gif

spy ring

Yeah, was gonna say "Webrings" back in the day...

ppl called 'rosie'

Organised crime ring, anyone?

nope, never heard this used. carry on, everyone.