~~~~~nutrition nazis 2012~~~~~

thanks, btw, all very useful. i'm not trying to become arnie or whatever but i have a good discipline going on.

sardines will make you live forever. eat these: http://www.seriouseats.com/recipes/2010/01/alton-browns-diet-weight-loss-sardine-avocado-sandwiches.html.

if money/waste is a problem then get frozen veg. it's pretty good in the uk.

i think like the last 5ish bona fide recipes i have added to my bench came from ilx.

good recipes here: curry chronicles

love serious eats, that sandwich looks awesome.

in terms of general nutrition and say knowing quinoa is better than brown rice, is it basically just a case of looking at how nutritious something is v its calories?

again, i know this sounds a bit basic, but i find lots of sites you'd expect to trust are really dumbed down and don't provide clear info. or (and the nhs is an extreme of this) it's like they have reduced the factual element of their nutrition advice because they are aiming for a best case scenario in terms of improving public health.

as such it's quite hard to find good and reliable info.

I guess my basic rule of thumb is that if something has significant calories then it better have some protein. Beyond that, as long as you're eating better stuff than you used to eat, in a sustainable way (important!) then you're doing well.

I think there are only a few people here who think seriously about ratios of omegas, vitamins, acidity, etc. Personally I just eat as much veg as poss.

always have broccoli. have it with every meal.

the v-1 of being a nutrition nazi

i generally have a lot of problems with getting tired all the time and constantly being hungry. past couple months i have eaten a lot more meat, very few grains, and more fatty things. i used to just be like fiber, fiber, fiber. i definitely feel better but i can't tell if that's what caused it because (1) i'm in a slightly different job that doesn't require running around like a maniac all day 3x/week, (2) it stopped being 100º every day at the same time i changed foods and jobs, (3) i am totally into heavy lifting, which i started doing around the same time all the other stuff changed. before i would run if i had enough energy after work, otherwise would not get exercise. and i was mostly dead tired after work. i am mostly focused on protein now but it's impossible for me to get 1g/lb of bodyweight, that's insane. i think i get 100-120g/day. i use protein powder sometimes. greek yogurt, chicken, big hamburgers (no bun), sardines, and eggs are good. i think it's easier to cook for myself eating meat because it doesn't require much preparation like beans or something, i just make a kale salad and/or sweet potato or squash with it). i don't have time or desire to read tons of articles about food stuff and they all disagree with each other anyway so i just do what i feel ˘\(o_o)/˘
nb i have not gotten fatter, probably less fat bc i have more muscles and weigh the same

yeah i really struggle with protein. i don't eat meat and non-canned fish is terrible here (munich). i probably get 100g on a good day. i weigh 180ish. ugh.

these are geared towards lifters, but they're concise and pragmatic, and not as bad as you'd think from the URLs

http://www.reddit.com/help/faqs/Fitness
http://4chanfit.wikia.com/wiki/Harsh's_Worksheet_(WIP)

lol @ 4chanfit :)

haha at the comments on the wiki link without the )

working link

(3) i am totally into heavy lifting, which i started doing around the same time all the other stuff changed.

fucking awesome!!!

totally into lifting heavy shit now.it's something i never really liked before but i dig it.

i've been at it for a year and i have to restrain myself from evangelizing

it is a lot of fun!

i evangelized today
fed chard and tofu to a chilean and he liked it!

we have some generic fitness threads, should we have an ilxor sw0le thread

i wanted to start a thread about deadlifts but i was ashamed i can't actually lift that much yet, it's just impressive to me and me alone

there's your routine at the gym

nah that's not the same it was like how 3 women at my job started talking/arguing about the merits of ellipticals today and i wanted to be like LOL but i decided to just say nothing

i'm trying to think of a good swole thread title

i have pretty much taken on eating meat full time (lapsed vegetarian) and I am saddened that I feel a lot better overall :/ the vegetarian in me is pretty peeved.

i feel like my brain works better on meat

thread of getting sw0le

i have pretty much taken on eating meat full time (lapsed vegetarian) and I am saddened that I feel a lot better overall :/ the vegetarian in me is pretty peeved.

― homosexual II, Thursday, October 25, 2012 9:01 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

this is me as well, i couldn't thrive when i was vegetarian but i'd still rather not eat meat.

Some times I think about that. I wonder if I'd have more energy if I started eating meat again but it has just been so long that I can't even imagine every doing so.

Sometimes, even

I've been feeling an urge to go back to meat again lately, but over the weekend I took my daughter to a petting zoo and got up close to some chickens and cows. It threw me for a loop.

Yeah, I don't think I could actually do it but I wonder. I've definitely relaxed a lot. The other night the thai food delivered basil rice with chicken instead of tofu but I was too hungry and lazy to wait for them to correct the order so I picked out the chicken. Years ago I wouldn't have done that because OMG IT TOUCHED.

I think the thing that bugs me is that I think I would do a better job constructing a healthy as a meat-eater than a vegetarian. I make an effort to eat food that's not processed all to shit, but it's pretty half-hearted.

Personally, I have more energy than when I carried a couple days meat/dairy slowly rotting at 98.6 °F. But just a reminder, B12 supplementation is an absolute must, there are no reliable vegetable sources (unless like cows you eat soil too), and the consequences of low B12 are too severe.

sorry I lol'ed at 'unless like cows you eat soil too'

I know this must already be on this thread somewhere, but Sanpaku, can you defend the need for supplementation in a healthy diet? I have the vaguest arguments about evolution swirling around in my head that are telling me the rotting meat/dairy must still have the edge over a diet that needs supplementation, but there are probably easy ways to knock them down.

i have both rotting meat and rotting vegetables inside of me

Our paleolithic ancestors lived 33 years, on average. A high animal protein diet that increased IGF-1 and hence stature was likely beneficial for hunting and mating success, as the downsides of excess animal protein causing osteoporosis, or the IGF-1 promoting late life cancer simply don't matter for Darwinian fitness. The chronic diseases of affluence don't matter to those who don't live long enough to develop them.

I spent 30 years of my life caring for relatives with progressive multiple sclerosis or post-stroke dementia, so that definitely influences my preferences. Diet for me isn't about being buff, but avoiding chronic disease which may not be symptomatic for decades. Modern weightlifters are aiming at something rather different than I am, which is a long, disease free lifespan. A low-fat whole foods vegan diet is a pretty easy way to achieve this, as it can practically eliminate heart disease, stroke and diabetes, and radically reduce cancer and kidney disease incidence (which together account for most deaths in the US). Ideally, I'd like to die after a 1 week bout of pneumonia after an expected 83 years of disease free life (like the vegan Adventists in the largest US cohort study of vegetarianism). If I had more willpower I'd do the CRON diet, which might yield 120 years if started at birth, with the downside of constant hunger.

Michael Greger (who's a hero of sorts to me) does a nice rundown on diet and the leading causes of death:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30gEiweaAVQ

my main goals are
(1) not feeling like shit every evening
(2) not feeling hungry all the time
(3) getting sw0le
(4) not living for 120 years, i did vote yes on the death button thread after all

ljubljana, to your question there's nothing particularly "natural" about human dairy consumption, or grain-fed modern animal agriculture, either.

I think the naturalistic fallacy applies to health as well as ethics, I'd eat handfuls of vitamin pills if they offered better health. Most demonstrably don't, and several in fact seem to increase disease incidence/progression. Only two supplements (vitamin B12 for vegans, and vitamin D for those living outside the tropics) seem to offer significant benefits vs. cost for those otherwise eating a varied whole foods diet. No animal makes B12, our ancestors lost that metabolic pathway over a billion years ago, and rely on bacterial synthesis. Cows get it from not being picky about dirt (where the bacteria reside) in their food, as did vegans among our ancestral species. As for vitamin D, we spent most of our evolutionary history wearing loin cloths or less under the tropical sun, and now live indoors at latitudes where vitamin D synthesis from UV striking our skin is difficult much of the year. D certainly benefits bone health, immune function, inflammatory response, and (related) multiple sclerosis incidence, and perhaps helps cardiovascular disease and life expectancy.

Lifespan, shit, I knew it would be something I should have spotted straight off. Thanks for the vid; I'm not sure when I'll manage to get to it (still only half way through the sugar one) but I'll definitely take a look.

My problem is a bit like harbl's, though - hungry all the time. I've cut back on sugar a lot in the last 2 weeks, though, and that has helped a lot. I realised I'd been doing 'all or nothing' - either sugar plus other carbs or no sugar/very low carbs overall, and it's time to try (duh) not being a carb-nazi but also not having the sugar.

if it was just hungry i could probably deal with it but irritability and fatigue and stuff are the worst. again i can't say what caused what since i changed so many things at once. i definitely wasn't b-12 deficient because i was eating just enough meat for that.

i think it depends on what you have to do during the day though--when i was unemployed i was fine not eating any meat because i spent most of the day sitting around and didn't have to use my brain for anything. i didn't eat meat though all of college and law school though, i think. can't really remember.

i am not implying vegetarian diets are for sedentary, dumb people

so i shouldn't say "i was fine not eating any meat" i should say i was fine not paying too much attention to anything except cheapness

Yeah, hungry-all-the-time for me goes with fatigue and irritability too. Also, sugar-induced hunger is faster and way more intense.

again, not ruling out occasional indulgences, not about to wave away special occasion cake etc. But it's helpful to be out of an office that had a tradition of cake- or chocolate-bringing every damn day.

feel better than ever now that I am consciously returning back to small portion sizes

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/28/magazine/the-island-where-people-forget-to-die.html?_r=1

forget the studies, they live forever cos they don't work in offices or commute

article is not credible at all, makes no mention of sardines

refused to read that because the headline is so creepy

just had a gigantic tomato/rocket/lettuce/red pepper salad from marks and spencers and two tins of sardines for lunch. probably a placebo effect but i it's like i can palpably sense the goodness after eating it.

two tins

^ otm