~~~~~nutrition nazis 2012~~~~~

yeah i mean there are worse sins than brown rice.

but lettuce, etc. are not what i mean by empty calories. lettuce is basically zero calories. by "empty calories" i mean stuff with not much going for it other than the energy.

eat bananas. they are good.

bananas are awesome in smoothies too -- add a really good base for other fruit, you really notice when you make one without a nana

there was a lot of stuff about dietary cholesterol in egg yolks, that, afaict, is no longer a concern to most docs. otherwise they are fine imo. everything in moderation.

i discovered this stuff on my last trip to the US. taleban recruitment advert imo.

http://www.southernsavers.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/EggBeaters.jpg

i'm pretty sure jamba juice isn't healthy! not at 24oz anyway.

those things are terrifying

avoid unless for some crazy reason you are medically unable to eat actual eggs

but it's 99% real!

xpost not Jamba! homemade 12 oz smoothie with banana, berries, yogurt, greens and flax seed.

that's the same thing they put in jamba juice, unless you get white gummy bear, then it's like that plus 3 scoops of sherbet.

big difference between a smoothie and a juice

not being defensive, just want to explain myself. I use nonfat greek yogurt and/or unsweetened almond milk. I use fresh frozen strawberries or raspberries: if I use 2 fruits I combine them to make 1 cup worth, or 1 cup of one type of fruit only. no honey no other sweeteners. plus a good handful of spinach or kale and at least a tablespoon of ground flax.

I'm deliberately trying to avoid making ridiculously oversweetened sugarbomb smoothies. I don't get anything like the kind of horrible bloodsugar spikes I did when I was having huge lattes and toast, and the absence of dairy has helped my stomach problems enormously.

I know maybe they're not the ideal healthy breakfast but I feel like I'm feeling a lot better healthwise making these than I have felt in a long time.

there are worse sins than brown rice

this is the sort of statement that makes me not a nutrition nazi. food and sin conflated. meh.

people vary enormously in how the food they eat interacts with their health and well-being. i don't care if you have a study that shows this that or the other. my body knows better than any study of other people what i need for my health.

But the studies offer some useful hypotheses that you can try out on your own body to see if they feel helpful.

the rule with veg is not a ratio thing: eat as much and as many as possible. there is no upper limit.

quinoa is cool. eat loads. brown rice is ruffage but it's otherwise empty calories. if you need the rice to feel full then eat more protein.

what are the best ways, practically, that you guys use to eat more veg? it seems green salad with lots of varied veg in it and a protein would be a good way of doing this at dinner?

i'm putting veg into everything and eating lots of fruit, but i think it's still difficult to have 4.5 cups a day as seems to be recommended. especially if you're basing meals around brown rice/quinoa. that's the root of my questions i suppose, is filling up on these healthy carbs a bit of a waste relative to using veg and proteins instead? that seems to be your point caek?

I mean honestly if you're eating brown rice & quinoa and vegetables and less meat and you've lost weight already, I fail to see the point of any further policing tbh. But I am not a nutrition nazi.

yeah i mean, i don't need to follow any one particular regime but i'm quite interested in improving my nutrition as much as possible now that i've got the buzz for doing this, once something becomes an interest like this i usually can change my habits really quickly.

this is the sort of statement that makes me not a nutrition nazi. food and sin conflated. meh.

this is the nutrition nazi thread.

that's the root of my questions i suppose, is filling up on these healthy carbs a bit of a waste relative to using veg and proteins instead? that seems to be your point caek?

exactly. well, quinoa is good stuff, but rice is kind of a missed opportunity if you're trying to calorie control. there are less calorific ways to feel full, that have the additional benefit of making you immortal (veg).

and iirc you are throwing kettle bells around, etc., so calorie control should mean sth different for you than just eat fewer calories. make sure you are getting lots of protein too, which is also v filling.

healthiest protein sources are basically oily fish, nuts, lean chicken or turkey, right?

yep am doing a lot of kettle bell work and running 3/4 times a week too.

any thoughts on what are the best ways, practically, that you guys use to eat more veg?

i know these questions are sort of obvious, i kind of know the answers but i'm not keen to assume too much either.

fatty fish (salmon, tuna, although getting healthy cuts of these can get expensive), oily fish (even supermarket mackerel is good in the uk imo. miss that so much), quark/cottage cheese (if you do dairy), eggs (if you do eggs). if milk agrees with you then drink milk. the recommended protein intake for a guy doing weights or anything like that is insane (1g/kg, 1g/lb depending on who you ask), and i basically have no idea how people who don't eat meat do it without protein powder.

we have a salad bar at work, and i try to eat as much salad as i can manage every lunch. it's handy because it's otherwise a bit of a hassle maintaing a fridge for interesting salads for 1. i bring in the rest of my lunch. nuts and apricots on my desk.

always have broccoli. have it with every meal. you can put spinach in a lot of stuff. kale in oil and garlic as a side. frozen veg is better than no veg: peas, beans, etc.

also eat lentils.

p.s. i know nothing about meat, but you could probably eat some of that too.

yeah it is hard to have a fridge full of stuff and not have things going off or whatever. esp as i'm broke at least for another 2/3 weeks. once normal service resumes things are a lot easier though.

i've started having nuts on my desk yeah. as for oily fish, sardines are good too, right? been eating a lot of those.

i don't really do dairy cos of health stuff but i have soy milk and yoghurt occasionally.

do you use recipe sites or just experiment?

xpost ah i see, i was wondering about the meat bit.

thanks, btw, all very useful. i'm not trying to become arnie or whatever but i have a good discipline going on.

sardines will make you live forever. eat these: http://www.seriouseats.com/recipes/2010/01/alton-browns-diet-weight-loss-sardine-avocado-sandwiches.html.

if money/waste is a problem then get frozen veg. it's pretty good in the uk.

i think like the last 5ish bona fide recipes i have added to my bench came from ilx.

good recipes here: curry chronicles

love serious eats, that sandwich looks awesome.

in terms of general nutrition and say knowing quinoa is better than brown rice, is it basically just a case of looking at how nutritious something is v its calories?

again, i know this sounds a bit basic, but i find lots of sites you'd expect to trust are really dumbed down and don't provide clear info. or (and the nhs is an extreme of this) it's like they have reduced the factual element of their nutrition advice because they are aiming for a best case scenario in terms of improving public health.

as such it's quite hard to find good and reliable info.

I guess my basic rule of thumb is that if something has significant calories then it better have some protein. Beyond that, as long as you're eating better stuff than you used to eat, in a sustainable way (important!) then you're doing well.

I think there are only a few people here who think seriously about ratios of omegas, vitamins, acidity, etc. Personally I just eat as much veg as poss.

always have broccoli. have it with every meal.

the v-1 of being a nutrition nazi

i generally have a lot of problems with getting tired all the time and constantly being hungry. past couple months i have eaten a lot more meat, very few grains, and more fatty things. i used to just be like fiber, fiber, fiber. i definitely feel better but i can't tell if that's what caused it because (1) i'm in a slightly different job that doesn't require running around like a maniac all day 3x/week, (2) it stopped being 100º every day at the same time i changed foods and jobs, (3) i am totally into heavy lifting, which i started doing around the same time all the other stuff changed. before i would run if i had enough energy after work, otherwise would not get exercise. and i was mostly dead tired after work. i am mostly focused on protein now but it's impossible for me to get 1g/lb of bodyweight, that's insane. i think i get 100-120g/day. i use protein powder sometimes. greek yogurt, chicken, big hamburgers (no bun), sardines, and eggs are good. i think it's easier to cook for myself eating meat because it doesn't require much preparation like beans or something, i just make a kale salad and/or sweet potato or squash with it). i don't have time or desire to read tons of articles about food stuff and they all disagree with each other anyway so i just do what i feel ˘\(o_o)/˘
nb i have not gotten fatter, probably less fat bc i have more muscles and weigh the same

yeah i really struggle with protein. i don't eat meat and non-canned fish is terrible here (munich). i probably get 100g on a good day. i weigh 180ish. ugh.

these are geared towards lifters, but they're concise and pragmatic, and not as bad as you'd think from the URLs

http://www.reddit.com/help/faqs/Fitness
http://4chanfit.wikia.com/wiki/Harsh's_Worksheet_(WIP)

lol @ 4chanfit :)

haha at the comments on the wiki link without the )

working link

(3) i am totally into heavy lifting, which i started doing around the same time all the other stuff changed.

fucking awesome!!!

totally into lifting heavy shit now.it's something i never really liked before but i dig it.

i've been at it for a year and i have to restrain myself from evangelizing

it is a lot of fun!

i evangelized today
fed chard and tofu to a chilean and he liked it!

we have some generic fitness threads, should we have an ilxor sw0le thread

i wanted to start a thread about deadlifts but i was ashamed i can't actually lift that much yet, it's just impressive to me and me alone

there's your routine at the gym

nah that's not the same it was like how 3 women at my job started talking/arguing about the merits of ellipticals today and i wanted to be like LOL but i decided to just say nothing

i'm trying to think of a good swole thread title

i have pretty much taken on eating meat full time (lapsed vegetarian) and I am saddened that I feel a lot better overall :/ the vegetarian in me is pretty peeved.

i feel like my brain works better on meat

thread of getting sw0le

i have pretty much taken on eating meat full time (lapsed vegetarian) and I am saddened that I feel a lot better overall :/ the vegetarian in me is pretty peeved.

― homosexual II, Thursday, October 25, 2012 9:01 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

this is me as well, i couldn't thrive when i was vegetarian but i'd still rather not eat meat.

Some times I think about that. I wonder if I'd have more energy if I started eating meat again but it has just been so long that I can't even imagine every doing so.

Sometimes, even

I've been feeling an urge to go back to meat again lately, but over the weekend I took my daughter to a petting zoo and got up close to some chickens and cows. It threw me for a loop.

Yeah, I don't think I could actually do it but I wonder. I've definitely relaxed a lot. The other night the thai food delivered basil rice with chicken instead of tofu but I was too hungry and lazy to wait for them to correct the order so I picked out the chicken. Years ago I wouldn't have done that because OMG IT TOUCHED.

I think the thing that bugs me is that I think I would do a better job constructing a healthy as a meat-eater than a vegetarian. I make an effort to eat food that's not processed all to shit, but it's pretty half-hearted.

Personally, I have more energy than when I carried a couple days meat/dairy slowly rotting at 98.6 °F. But just a reminder, B12 supplementation is an absolute must, there are no reliable vegetable sources (unless like cows you eat soil too), and the consequences of low B12 are too severe.

sorry I lol'ed at 'unless like cows you eat soil too'