They're Remaking 'Alien' -- the 'Prometheus' thread

Stupid is pushing it. I take that back. But it's literally set up by dialogue like 15 minutes before (where Elba says his only concern is that none of "that stuff" gets back to earth). It plays as a rather ham fisted dramatic moment but I think they could have written some much more exciting way for them to stop the engineer and die in the process.

The 15 minute before scene is hilarious because he is saying this to Noomi Rapace, who has just take some rather more committed steps towards the same principles.

*taken

There's also a few exchanges that struck me as significant thematically. When the first helmet comes off:
Shaw: Don't be an idiot!
Holloway: Don't be a skeptic!

this is the worst part of this movie, i seriously almost walked out at this shit

I liked it! I love the irony of finding out your "faith" is right only to find out it's right in a sense that is horrifying.

I mean, if you're predisposed to dislike explicitly tacking on religious themes to the Alien movies I get it but for me it's fine because I didn't take away a complacency but a pretty earnest look at believing in the face of "disenchantment."

Yeah how is that dialogue grounds for walking out on the movie?

Guys - I just shudderingly thought about Contact and how Prometheus stole the fire from the ruling deity of his time and how the peeps are going on a search for the origins of humanity... This isn't going to turn into some bullshit religious crapfest, is it?

― StanM, Tuesday, March 20, 2012 8:11 AM (7 months ago)

if it is i am going to throw a flaming trashcan through the movie screen

― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, March 20, 2012 8:13 AM (7 months ago)

Seems way too fucked up for that. Then again if the message is "Yeah Jesus Christ was an alien visitor who caused human bodies to explode" I'd be impressed.

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, March 20, 2012 8:14 AM (7 months ago)

This all came true. Down to our reactions.

Yeah how is that dialogue grounds for walking out on the movie?

For me, it's not the religious themes added on(see also Alien 3), but the filmmakers so deliberately foregrounding it with such "DO YOU SEEEEEEEE". It's bashing over you the head like Ren Hoek for the entire flick with some sorta simplistic religious v science thing, only Lindelof has no idea how actual scientists are(the Darwin scene, f'rexample) and can't even write a believable believer.

the scene alone ain't necessarily worth walking out on, but the scene portends an entire flick of such idiocy

it was more like, oh, this is the kind of movie this is gonna be huh

(a shitty episode of lost)

I never watched Lost, to be fair.

I agree that all of that could have been handled with a much greater degree of subtlety and it'd be a much better movie for it.

The funny thing is that i totally hated Lost and dont much care for Scott. I prefer to think the constraints of the Alien franchise made this more interesting than it otherwise would have been.

This all came true. Down to our reactions.

― Ned Raggett, Sunday, October 21, 2012 12:20 PM Bookmark

We were SO...RIGHT...

actually i think a pretty cool movie would be, ILX discovers possible proof of the origins of the ILX hivemind and goes on a voyage to discover it but what is actually there is a horrifyingly banal, nerdy white guy who created us all as straw men to be sacrificed in a clusterfuck that never came to pass

"Aliens is not a horror flick. Cameron knew he couldn't do better, so he deliberately switched genre and went for sci-fi actioner instead."

Not that it isn't a sci-fi actioner, but not a horror flick at all?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvEmC1Bkyqc

"Aliens seemed hokey with awful scenery"
this is a very strange complaint. it mostly takes place in military or civilian barracks and for the most part is very much like the sets in alien, but a little less kitschy.
are you talking about Paul Reiser's tie?

It's the outdoor sets in Aliens that seemed hokey, that looked like sets, imo.

the only time i remember them being outdoors is when something's blowing up.
not a lot of quiet, contemplative moments outside to look for matte lines.

Philip i agree with you but you're going to have to allow for the fact that Jacob isn't just making up a reaction to Aliens out of thin air, or to wind you up

no no! I apologize if it comes across like cross-examination, but I'm really curious about how someone would come to that viewpoint, plus a lot of the viewpoints from a lot of people on this thread re: the new alien movie. It's just totally baffling, and somewhat worrisome in this election season.

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lol!

Voting Facehugger/Chestburster '12. "You're gonna die anyway, make it quick."

This is a stupendous bore.

If Ridley Scott's name wasn't in the credits, I'd assume it was an anony-hack directing. Thread comment summarizing my reaction:

if only this movie had just been fassbender-android and a ship and aliens

― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Tuesday, June 12, 2012 1:59 AM (4 months ago)

That could actually make a great movie. Solo hyperintelligent android, of suspect allegiance to the human species, sent as a disposable probe to determine whether the Engineers (or whatever) were a subject of further interest. The sequel posibilities would have ranged rather wide.

one-man-play

Waiting for Ridley

scodott

I just made the mistake of watching Indiana Jones & The Kingdom of The Crystal Skull and I'm not sure when the whole ancient aliens movie template was molded but holy shit the last act:

wiki's plot summary:

Inside the central temple, they find artifacts from several ancient civilizations. Jones deduces that the creatures were kindred spirits; they too were "archaeologists" studying the different cultures of Earth. The five enter a chamber containing the crystal skeletons of thirteen alien beings seated in a circle, with one missing its skull. After the Soviets arrive, Spalko replaces the skull. The aliens communicate to the group through Oxley using an ancient dialect and promises to reward them with a "big gift"; Spalko demands to "know everything". The skeletons grant her request and transfer their collective knowledge into her mind. At the same time they activate a portal to another dimension. Jones, Marion, Mutt and the now restored Oxley escape the temple, but Mac and the other Soviets are sucked into the portal. Meanwhile, the skeletons combine to form a single living being and the knowledge transfer overwhelms Spalko, causing her to disintegrate; her dust is then drawn into the portal. The survivors watch as the temple walls crumble, revealing a massive flying saucer slowly rising from the debris; it hovers for a second before disappearing into the "space between spaces".

That could actually make a great movie. Solo hyperintelligent android, of suspect allegiance to the human species, sent as a disposable probe to determine whether the Engineers (or whatever) were a subject of further interest. The sequel posibilities would have ranged rather wide.

Star Trek: The Motion Picture as told from the p.o.v. of V'ger.

(note: I would see that movie)

That was the only Star Trek franchise film I truly loved. Its sense of wonder eclipses anything else in the series, and the Jerry Goldsmith score is second only to his original Alien soundtrack among sci-fi scores.

not very far off the plot of 2001?

Agreed with Elvis. And Sanpaku.

well fu too

http://www.startrek.com/legacy_media/images/200508/mov-002-khan02/320x240.jpg

"Let me show what I do to errant posters who underestimate my power..."

Hahaha. Khan is great for sure but I'd rather rewatch (and have rewatched) the first one a lot more over time.

ninja-training spock opener and mega-beard mccoy were great moments for sure but the rest of the movie is like being trapped in a 1970s airport.
(the movie is also an allegory for being trapped in a 1970s airport)

I finally saw all of the Search for Spock one, redeems the previous film by killing off Kirk's kid

i saw that so many times, it was ALWAYS on tv on saturday

Transporter accident in ST:TMP was like O_O to 11-year-old me.

Search For Spock is fairly underrated, I feel. It's certainly better then Voyage Home.

WHAT

Star Trek movies no longer on Netflix, again, can't watch to compare :(

Nothing happens.

They save a whale once.

agree that search for spock is underrated, but if you don't like IV, it means you don't like star trek.

Wouldn't go that far, I mean it's kind of the odd one out of the bunch, goes for being kind of charming and goofy and oddball. It's probably the one, after II, that I'd be most likely to keep watching if I caught it unplanned on TV and wasn't really intending to sit and watch a whole movie, but what the hell.

Love that it was actually the most successful of all of them at the box office!

if you look at it under the lens of trek (future = awesome because of progressive politics), the other movies are the odd ones out really.
II is a great movie, but it recasts the federation as a paramilitary organization, down to the spiffy uniforms.