Jimmy Saville is still alive...

Plus, Saville didn't have any kind of musical "ethic"

http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/87004/jimmy-savile-admitted-he-was-crooked-interview-his-death

ha, crooked doesn't even begin to cover it

maybe he was just talking about a couple of bank jobs he did in the 80s though

b isn't anywhere near w on the keyboard.

hahaha!

"when I'm gone they'll say, I always thought he was a great guy, but it turned out he brutally molested hundreds of people, literally HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF KIDS." Savile said, cryptically.

It is really seeming now that there's just reams and reams of quotes from him, across years and years, where he basically says "I've managed to do absolutely anything I wanted in my life, really, absolutely anything even fucking nasty dark evil motherfucking shit and it's been brilliant and no one stopped me."

"I dare you to ask me what I did, journalist. I dare you." And no one asked.

The music industry has always been rife with the 15-year-old girlfriends and boyfriends of the Peter Pans within it. The fanzine girl dating the press officer; the GCSE students with a band, shagging older guys in bands/writers/PRs; age differences of between 10 and 15 years - I'm sure it's still going on w/just a change in players. A great many of the young women involved with older guys were really smart and precocious about their careers, but eager to swap school discos for the Heavenly Sunday Social.

Creepy all-powerful types who serve up groping and use intimidation and a place in the boys' club to make sure they never have to own up to their actions are a different order altogether - they're evil and should be held to account - but the consensual scenario above is definitely part of a sliding scale of male entitlement/females having to 'go along to get along', even if most of the young women genuinely want to be involved.

Yeah I mean as far as Peel himself goes he's in the former camp but I've not seen any suggestion he's in the latter?

I can only think that Savile in person must have been genuinely threatening in a terrifying way to have managed to keep so many victims silent on such a massive scale, even taking the "no one will believe you" stuff into account.

My impression is that Peel became happily-married family mann in a garage full of records, well away from being all-powerful.

Think it? I believe it!

There was some 'expose' in a Sunday paper decades ago, SMirror, I think. It was all about his 'gangster' days and his "I shag loads" went alongside his "I sorted out things, right?"

Basically, when he started on TOTP and Radio 1, he was already used to using 'muscle'..

There was some minor outcry at the time, but every business was "we have no plans to drop Mr Savile". and so it continued.

i don't think popular ilx meme "sense of entitlement" quite stands up to being a reason for raping people.

It's in the mix of reasons rape happens, although you're entitled to your opinion, R.

MDC: Nor have I. Would be very surprised to discover any untowardness post-1974. xp

I think what we're dealing with in Savile is a full-blown psychopath / sociopath. He's through sense of entitlement and out the other side. he doens't think he's entitled, he thinks he's immune, invulnerable, completely unbeholden to any morality.

Thought. Past tense.

the only thing that stops me asking how nobody came out about these allegations before, is that this seems to be how institutional paedophilia has played out generally. i suppose before any allegation sticks, everyone is just a disparate victim, on their own, but now that they've all emerged a large picture of a man's extensive campaign of rape and abuse emerges very clearly.

Claims in the Mail yesterday about Wilfrid Brambell:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2219401/Steptoe-Sons-Wilfrid-Brambell-latest-BBC-star-accused-child-sex-abuse.html

I can only think that Savile in person must have been genuinely threatening in a terrifying way to have managed to keep so many victims silent on such a massive scale, even taking the "no one will believe you" stuff into account.

see i dunno about this, there are loads of serial paedophiles who never got caught. isn't it just as likely that it will emerge that victims did tell people and nothing was done?

I thought Brambell was common-knowledge?

maybe it is? news to me though

Brambell was arrested for cottaging but I don't think I've ever heard kids before.

People did tell contemporaneously, but nothing was done. When parents or an adult in charge learn about an incident, sometimes there's a straight, sharp denial, but in cases where the adult believes the child, the adult often doesn't wind up taking it further. Most of the time it's because the adult believes the authorities won't do anything or the abuser will dissemble or emotionally blackmail if challenged. You'd need a lot of guts to take on someone like JS, especially if he had form as a thug.

xps I hope people are decent enough to respect the feelings of his grandson Titus

And knew the prime minister, etc etc etc.

xpost

One of the lines that Savile was reported to have used on people he molested was 'I know where you live' which would absolutely terrify a child

wasn't there a ref to Saville's close relationship with Thatch on HIGNFY the other weekend?

Yeah, pretty sure there was.

He's probably sad he never got to fuck her corpse.

at least not while she was dead anyway

Yeah, Savile was a physically powerful and intimidating guy, former professional wrestler, also spoke darkly in the past about gangster-like activities in his early days of running clubs, people ending up with broken limbs etc

By the ttime they next do one of those I Love The 1970s programmes, there's going to be no fucker with any sort of reputation left intact enough to go on it. It'll just be Mike Yarwood and a packet of spicy Kung Fu snacks and even those are probably both borderline racist.

I really hope this doesn't end in a spate of those crappy BBC4 biopics of public figures from the past that no one gives a shit about except commissioning editors.

Looking for completely unrelated stuff, I came upon this page... maybe they ought to get her to change an answer here?
http://www.channel4.com/t4/georgie-okell

Channel 4 are axing T4 anyway, so it'll be down son enough.

s/son/soon/

It'll be down, son. Enough.

Did T4 get sonned by wite TV chiefs over a Hollyoaks Omnibus beef?

Gropey sexpest Adam Hart-Davis is Cameron's second cousin? How did I not know this?

Feeling bad that this fact is doing more to make me dislike him than any actual horrible* behaviour

(* alleged I s'pose - not that I can't believe it)

Fucking epic seppuku by the BBC here.

Gambuccini just used the word necrophiliac on BBC FiveLive breakfast.

In explicit reference to Savile.

You could almost literally hear Nicky Campbell shake with a mixture of excitement and panic.

I live in another country on the other side of the world, and I heard the necrophiliac rumours long ago enough that I was surprised to go "oh, as well?!" when live young girls got added to my rumour awareness looong before he died

The necrophiliac rumours predate the jailbait rumours

which speaks amazingly well to the complicit cultural suppression of the latter

mostly they were about his mum though, right?

Well, yes, but his fondness for working as a hospital porter was usually factored in