I am beginning to become scared that Romney/Ryan will win. Can smart people please post here and say reassuring things to convince me that he won't?

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Actually thought Romney had the "gosh" vote locked up (alone with the "golly" and "gee" vote). Good sign for Obama.

clemenza, Friday, 19 October 2012 00:53 (eleven years ago) link

"jeepers"

Raymond Cummings, Friday, 19 October 2012 00:55 (eleven years ago) link

I reaaaaaaaaaally wish pols and Beltway pundits -- mostly but not exclusively men -- would stop separating "abortion" from "economic issues."

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 19 October 2012 03:35 (eleven years ago) link

being an undecided voter & actually getting to ask the two candidates a question & still being unable to gauge who might be superior with relevance to the question's answer, i feel like this tells us a lot about why undecided voters are undecided

*buffs lens* (schlump), Friday, 19 October 2012 03:37 (eleven years ago) link

in this woman's case i think it might be an aversion to politics itself. i mean, saying you care very much about gender equality and reproductive rights but don't consider yourself a feminist says to me you keep most the contemporary discourse at arms' length

there is no dana, only (goole), Friday, 19 October 2012 03:44 (eleven years ago) link

This kinda stuff just reminds me of why we have to reinforce the teaching of social studies/civics/&c.

Also, look how terrible most people's access to political news is. Effin' cable news or the top of the hour headlines on your local radio station.

the max in the high castle (kingfish), Friday, 19 October 2012 03:50 (eleven years ago) link

good news ilxors!

http://i48.tinypic.com/qnahjt.png

Mordy, Friday, 19 October 2012 04:10 (eleven years ago) link

The national forecast is almost exactly the same as the Ohio forecast (no surprise there).

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Friday, 19 October 2012 04:24 (eleven years ago) link

He seems to have never had much doubt about Ohio - boost seems related to Virginia and Colorado tipping blue once again.

Doctor Casino, Friday, 19 October 2012 04:40 (eleven years ago) link

matt stoller said the high debate ratings reflected an electorate starved of info, watchu think abt that

zvookster, Friday, 19 October 2012 04:43 (eleven years ago) link

that gels with everything i've been hearing the last 20 years about there not being enough information

down w/ obana...he is the reson were in dept (Z S), Friday, 19 October 2012 04:47 (eleven years ago) link

bespeaks an electorate mostly overworked, overstimulated, + alienated from meaningful civic/political performance i think

Mordy, Friday, 19 October 2012 04:49 (eleven years ago) link

the fact that due to the electoral college only 10 states get to really participate doesn't help either

johnathan lee riche$ (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 19 October 2012 05:23 (eleven years ago) link

http://www.trbimg.com/img-5080dda5/turbine/la-154360434.jpg-20121018/600

buzza, Friday, 19 October 2012 05:49 (eleven years ago) link

As an American, I resent the idea of government forcing me to learn about government in one of their government-run education centers. Liberty from learning is the greatest liberty of all. You can pry my willful ignorance from my cold, dead hands!

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 19 October 2012 11:40 (eleven years ago) link

Bet those two jowlies sitting behind the Three Stooges have had same seats at the Smith dinner for 50 years.

cancer, kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Friday, 19 October 2012 11:46 (eleven years ago) link

matt stoller said the high debate ratings reflected an electorate starved of info, watchu think abt that

― zvookster, Thursday, October 18, 2012 11:43 PM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

that gels with everything i've been hearing the last 20 years about there not being enough information

― down w/ obana...he is the reson were in dept (Z S), Thursday, October 18, 2012 11:47 PM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

bespeaks an electorate mostly overworked, overstimulated, + alienated from meaningful civic/political performance i think

― Mordy, Thursday, October 18, 2012 11:49 PM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

most people who watch are just partisans watching it like a sports game.

for the low info people it's like reading the election sparknotes the day before the test.

iatee, Friday, 19 October 2012 12:00 (eleven years ago) link

but the legit low info people watch american idol instead and wait for the aol news homepage to tell them who won

iatee, Friday, 19 October 2012 12:04 (eleven years ago) link

Silver's post about Gallup polling is really interesting. Huge samples but a regular source of zany swings (something like 26pts over a few weeks during the summer of Bush/Gore? Wildly overestimated Obama's winning margin in '08 and GOP's Congressional gains in '10) and no real explanation why. So he's not weighting it very heavily in this latest update. Which is good cos on its own it's basically MOVE TO CANADA, FRIENDS.

Michael Jones, Friday, 19 October 2012 12:10 (eleven years ago) link

but if we moved to Canada clemenza would still worry about polls ;)

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 19 October 2012 13:03 (eleven years ago) link

Imagine having to become a blue jays fan.

one bad call from barely losing (Nicole), Friday, 19 October 2012 13:13 (eleven years ago) link

Pure suffering.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Friday, 19 October 2012 13:55 (eleven years ago) link

Feel like this election has crossed some sort of final threshold where now even polls are explicitly politicized and mistrusted (and that's always seemed to me to be the big effect of partisanship: a sort of fundamental defensiveness against information that doesn't conform to your ideology. It's putting some real sense of yourself at stake in political outcomes.)

ryan, Friday, 19 October 2012 13:55 (eleven years ago) link

on one hand, yeah, having so many polls has made me aware of how one's skepticism is related to how much an outcome relates to what one wants to be true. on the other, having so many polls (and poll analysts) has made clear just how arbitrary and questionable the methods behind them can be.

da croupier, Friday, 19 October 2012 14:00 (eleven years ago) link

but if we moved to Canada clemenza would still worry about polls ;)
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn)

Imagine having to become a blue jays fan.
― one bad call from barely losing (Nicole)

Pure suffering.
― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF)

Ambiguous sequence...well played, Alex; well played.

clemenza, Friday, 19 October 2012 14:02 (eleven years ago) link

Can someone explain why Romney would even atend a Smith dinner? I can't say that Smith and Romney were exactly on the same page.

The windiest militant trash (Michael White), Friday, 19 October 2012 14:33 (eleven years ago) link

Both candidates always go, every election.

cancer, kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Friday, 19 October 2012 14:34 (eleven years ago) link

It has escaped my radar. What's the significance of it?

The windiest militant trash (Michael White), Friday, 19 October 2012 14:36 (eleven years ago) link

An excuse to show the world that candidates can get on.

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 19 October 2012 14:38 (eleven years ago) link

Kissing the ring of NY Catholic power, that's pretty much it. Arguably less relevant now, but old habits die hard.

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1185943.1350512545!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/gallery_635/john-f-kennedy-richard-nixon-alfred-e-smith-memorial-dinner-1960.jpg

cancer, kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Friday, 19 October 2012 14:39 (eleven years ago) link

Franny Cardinal Spellman above, bomb-blesser and boy-toucher.

cancer, kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Friday, 19 October 2012 14:40 (eleven years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/CwrwT.png

so eeeeevil

--bob marley (lag∞n), Friday, 19 October 2012 14:41 (eleven years ago) link

seriously, hope that fucker goes to jail for awhile

beef richards (Mr. Que), Friday, 19 October 2012 14:56 (eleven years ago) link

for the haircut alone.

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 19 October 2012 15:07 (eleven years ago) link

Measuring-the-drapes dept:

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/ap-romney-transition-team-working-on-fiscal-cliff

I'm sure I won't be the only one to find it galling if Romney wins and is able to glide past negotiations that would have been a major ordeal for Obama--not because he's a bipartisan guy who knows how to "bring people together," but because, you know, he's not Barack Obama. I have a feeling, though, that this is part of the recent movement towards Romney: a recognition that he will have an easier time with such things.

clemenza, Friday, 19 October 2012 15:37 (eleven years ago) link

i love that this dude is charged with tossing 8 forms in a dumpster, but takes a mug shot like we're going to all know his middle name soon

da croupier, Friday, 19 October 2012 15:46 (eleven years ago) link

x-post to Clemenza

Plus the Repubs in Congress will be more ruthless and show more backbone and unity than the Dems tent of libs, centrists,& blue-dogs. The latter may not fight the uh power if Romney wins, they filibustering Repubs have for 4 years.

curmudgeon, Friday, 19 October 2012 15:49 (eleven years ago) link

the way that fibustering Repubs have

curmudgeon, Friday, 19 October 2012 15:50 (eleven years ago) link

someday I will proofread

curmudgeon, Friday, 19 October 2012 15:50 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah, I thought about that after I posted--Democrats will be much more accomodating (i.e., spineless or responsible, depending upon your viewpoint).

clemenza, Friday, 19 October 2012 15:50 (eleven years ago) link

Haven't yall been watching the debates? Republicans are the only party that wants to work in a bipartisan fashion! j/k

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 19 October 2012 15:52 (eleven years ago) link

Kind of curious about the claims of the republicans keeping it together in their big tent - I know it's one of their superpowers, but it's getting pretty crazy in there. What would happen if Pres. Romney comes to them with talk of raising the debt ceiling?

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 19 October 2012 16:11 (eleven years ago) link

republicans don't have a big tent ideologically anymore but they're always pretty keynesian when they run things

iatee, Friday, 19 October 2012 16:13 (eleven years ago) link

also

Nate Silver ‏@fivethirtyeight

National polls published in past 24 hours: Obama +3.2, Obama +3, Obama +3, Obama +1, Obama +0.6, Obama +0.5, TIE, Romney +7.
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iatee, Friday, 19 October 2012 16:15 (eleven years ago) link

Josh Robin ‏@joshrobin
Obama has a new zinger: says his "flip-flopping" opponent has "Romnesia."

Talking Points Memo ‏@TPM
Obama: Mitt has "Romnesia" http://tpm.ly/OOBjDh

NEW ZING ALERT

--bob marley (lag∞n), Friday, 19 October 2012 16:15 (eleven years ago) link

literal back2back tweets^

--bob marley (lag∞n), Friday, 19 October 2012 16:15 (eleven years ago) link

there should be zing think tanks that come up w/ these things

iatee, Friday, 19 October 2012 16:16 (eleven years ago) link

dream job

--bob marley (lag∞n), Friday, 19 October 2012 16:16 (eleven years ago) link

zink tanks

iatee, Friday, 19 October 2012 16:17 (eleven years ago) link


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