it's ok if you don't like it, but what does "Maybe I heard it too late" mean?
― tylerw, Thursday, 29 January 2009 17:08 (4 years ago) Permalink
i know exactly what he means.
I should love Bauhaus, but I can't stand them cos to me it sounded dated and thin when I first heard them in the 90's. To those who heard it at the time, it still sounds great.
Sometimes, you just have to hear an album in the time and context that it was recorded, otherwise it just doesn't sounds right hearing it for the first time years later..
This isn't the case with every band of course, but it's happened to me with a few..
― Jack Battery-Pack, Thursday, 29 January 2009 17:20 (4 years ago) Permalink
"Maybe I heard it too late"
yeah, exactly what jack said. It might have sounded amazing and revolutionary in 1970 or whenever it came out, but I just don't think it translates well to me now. Maybe if I heard it in 1980 I'd like it right now, but I didn't. to me, it seems to me nothing more than a mediocre early 1980s college rock album-- one that grates on me considerably, actually. but I'm not hearing it in its original context. Anyway, I think REM's albums (or more accurately, isolated songs) transcend their time, but I don't feel the same about this album.
― Jesus Christ, Attorney at Law (res), Thursday, 29 January 2009 17:26 (4 years ago) Permalink
crazy rhythms was a huge influence on both REM and the formation of college rock. to call it a 'mediocre college rock album' is sorta ridiculous, since it was such a cornerstone album for many bands that followed, but i guess you're entitled to muck up this thread with your opinion if you please.
being influential alone doesn't make it a good album, but it does speak to the fact that this it is incredibly likeable. i heard it long after it was released (7-8 years ago or so) and gravitated towards it immediately. i'm wondering what exactly you find 'grating' about the album? the energy? it's such an accessible mix of post punk rhythmic propulsion and indie pop songwriting craftsmanship, hard to imagine any fan of television, the clean, or felt would be turned off in the least
― all-seeing eye of horus (psychgawsple), Thursday, 29 January 2009 18:22 (4 years ago) Permalink
I bought their first album last year and thought it was terrible. I was wondering how anyone could consider it a classic. Maybe I heard it too late.
reads different to me than saying "I don't like this record", if you want to know why the original comment warrants a response.
But if it grates on you, well there's a clue right there. It's not just that you don't like this album. It's not just like "I don't like the songs". The entire m/o of that album, the weird space it exists, the strange way it was recorded, the minimalism, the repetition, the simplicity, etc. Are all pretty unique and different, and it's hard to judge it in the context you're trying to judge it, i.e., is it as good college rock as REM.
Context isn't relevant as there really was no context, other then people considering it second rate Talking Heads at the time. There wasn't really 80s college rock yet. I first heard it some time in the 90s.
― dan selzer, Thursday, 29 January 2009 19:23 (4 years ago) Permalink
Yeah, I can't think of many records that sound like Crazy Rhythms (even the stuff that it supposedly influenced, or the Feelies later albums). I heard it in the 90s too, and it did not seem "of its time" or of any time really, though I think since then I've filled in the context of VU/Modern Lovers/Eno/Television/New Jersey ... Anyway, taste is taste, if didn't excite you, then it didn't excite you. It's probably one of my top 10 albums of the last 30 years, though ...
― tylerw, Thursday, 29 January 2009 20:04 (4 years ago) Permalink
I haven't heard this record, but reading about it makes me want to.
I hadn't heard any Feelies at all until earlier today when totally randomly I wanted to hear the "Loveless Love" by the Field Mice and remembered it was a cover version, which led me to the original...
will investigate more.
― Jack Battery-Pack, Thursday, 29 January 2009 20:17 (4 years ago) Permalink
I've never heard this Field Mice cover ... it's good?
― tylerw, Thursday, 29 January 2009 20:20 (4 years ago) Permalink
yeah, my memory of the album is fading a bit, but what i remember was that the energy wasn't appealing to me for some reason, and i think it might have had something to do with the production. i remember it sounding kind of flat, perhaps lacking dynamic range or something to that effect. also, i thought i remember the lyrics being vaguely embarrassing to listen to... but, my memory of the album is no longer clear.
― Jesus Christ, Attorney at Law (res), Thursday, 29 January 2009 20:32 (4 years ago) Permalink
field mice cover here
― all-seeing eye of horus (psychgawsple), Thursday, 29 January 2009 20:45 (4 years ago) Permalink
The production was very flat. There was a lot of debate back then about how to do it. Live, they were a very intense band, like The Modern Lovers, Ramones, Talking Heads and VU in a blender. When it came time to record they weren't happy with initial results, then made a last minute switch-up of engineers and made some strange choices, including playing the guitars directly into the mixer. The result is mixed for some people, people who remember them live hated it, and today even the band question if that was the right choice. The rest of us though think it resulted in this really amazing pure insular sound, without much distortion, reverb, room or even life to mess with the perfect sound of a jangling strummed electric guitar. Piled on top of like 12 people playing percussion, and it was pretty unique. It's definitely something to hear on headphones and/or at top volume, and it helps to submit to it. A casual listen one may or may not dig the tunes, but with more attention paid, it's like Lou Reed performing Einstein on the Beach.
Their next album, The Good Earth, years later, would have a much more traditional production, but by then they really weren't the kind of "punk" band they were in 1977. Coming out in the midst of a college rock revolution, The Good Earth is among the best. Their songwriting is a bit more complex, but there's still plenty of frantic energy.
― dan selzer, Thursday, 29 January 2009 20:58 (4 years ago) Permalink
i'm shocked i haven't seen anybody mention their actual best disc Time for a witness....
― outdoor_miner, Thursday, 29 January 2009 21:02 (4 years ago) Permalink
it's mentioned up there .... don't know if it's their best, but it is pretty solid. great guitar record.
― tylerw, Thursday, 29 January 2009 21:06 (4 years ago) Permalink
xpost, thanks, dan -- that sums it up very nicely. The feelies probably could've made a more straight-up debut, and it probably would've been pretty damn good, but I don't know if it would have the same weird magic that Crazy Rhythms has ...
― tylerw, Thursday, 29 January 2009 21:08 (4 years ago) Permalink
That Field Mice cover is so great... shame the sound quality is so shit.. I had an original copy of the "something's burning in paradise again" and the quality was the same..
― Jack Battery-Pack, Thursday, 29 January 2009 22:17 (4 years ago) Permalink
I did see the Feelies cover Outdoor Miner last year.
― dan selzer, Thursday, 29 January 2009 22:27 (4 years ago) Permalink
Yeah, that might've been my fave thing about the reunion shows! (which i heard via live recordings, not in person). Great version. I might have to put together a Feelies covers mix.
― tylerw, Thursday, 29 January 2009 22:32 (4 years ago) Permalink
sorry if I missed someone already mentioning Something Wild, one of the great '80s movies, and that tune from Good Earth--I think at the end of the dance sequence when Charlie and LL go back to her high-school reunion? Very evocative. I appreciate their first one more now that I've not listened to the Velvet Underground very much in a few decades; the Go-Betweens are the only band who took the Velvets influence and did it better, because them dudes was as good a songwriter as Reed, I think, I mean maybe it took two of them but they were coming at it late. But the Feelies, yeah, it's a bit suburban but they were good and I quite liked that second record at the time but lost interest later, I mean how many records by the Shoes or the Feelies do you need, or the dB's? For the average fan of rock and roll I'd recommend The Good Earth myself but they were always reliable, like REM has always been. Anyway, Jameson wrote a book on poster-modernism a while back and he really talks a lot about Something Wild as a great example of what he's apparently talking about.
― whisperineddhurt, Friday, 30 January 2009 18:11 (4 years ago) Permalink
I mean Something Wild, Blue Velvet, Street Smart, 52 Pickup and that halfway good movie with Adam Ant in it, Slam Dance (Virginia Madsen never looked lovelier)--all real Lou Reed territory but Lou Reed was no Roy Scheider. Anyway, those movies are all about white males getting themselves into a little trouble--more than they bargained for--and I'm just saying all the bands who modeled themselves after Lou Reed and the Velvets (Violent Femmes, Feelies, about a zillion others), Yo La Tengo, it's all really the Velvets just like so many fucking things are just all about the Beatles (XTC, Squeeze, Marshall Crenshaw at least had more real Brill Building verve in his shit), back in the era that the Feelies came from. White dudes getting themselves into more situation than initially suspected...
― whisperineddhurt, Friday, 30 January 2009 18:18 (4 years ago) Permalink
Whatever happened to the Crazy Rhythms reissue that was supposed to come out on (IIRC) Water?
― Telephone thing, Friday, 30 January 2009 18:31 (4 years ago) Permalink
this fascinates me because i only really heard bauhaus (the 4ad stuff anyway) this year and i thought it sounded surprisingly UN-dated.
― what is your beef with the mac? (electricsound), Saturday, 31 January 2009 00:57 (4 years ago) Permalink
In the mail today:
Bar/None Records is proud to re-release two classic albums by the Feelies, that critically acclaimed crew of hyperactive alt rockers from Haledon, New Jersey that had such a powerful influence on the sound of indie music 1980s and beyond.Their debut release Crazy Rhythms is a masterwork of perfectly honed minimalist rock that leaps and darts into the corners of the listener's consciousness, a true sonic tour de force that Rolling Stone deemed one of the "100 Best Albums of the 1980s." Fans of the Velvet Underground, Wire and Brian Eno's early solo work will surely appreciate the "forces at work" (to quote a song title!) on this masterpiece. Their follow-up recording, The Good Earth, came some six years later co-produced by Feelies' co-regents Glenn Mercer and Bill Million with REM's Peter Buck (a Feelies admirer since his days as a record store clerk). The Good Earth was an early release on Coyote Records, the label founded and run Steve Fallon, also the original owner of famed Hoboken indie roc mecca, Maxwell's. This album introduced the line-up that continues to this day. Both albums feature deluxe packaging (CD and vinyl LP) with liner notes by Jim Deragotis and Jim Sullivan respectively. As the band consider each album to be a discrete aesthetic artifact, the copious bonus material including demos, b-sides, EP tracks and some new live recordings from the re-united group will be included on digital download cards. Crazy Rhythms and The Good Earth will be released to coincide with the Feelies' September performance at the All Tomorrow's Parties festival where they will perform the classic Crazy Rhythms in its entirety. Summer activities for the group include an acoustic performance at the Whitney Museum in New York City on June 26 as part of the Dan Graham Retrospective, as well as a free show at the Pritzke Pavillion in Chicago's Millennium Park on June 29, and a series of shows at Maxwells in Hoboken over the 4th of July weekend.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 23 June 2009 14:53 (3 years ago) Permalink
the band consider each album to be a discrete aesthetic artifact
― dad a, Tuesday, 23 June 2009 14:57 (3 years ago) Permalink
as well as a free show at the Pritzke Pavillion in Chicago's Millennium Park on June 29
definitely planning on going to this, especially after last night's awesome Dirty Projectors show in the same series
― congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 23 June 2009 14:58 (3 years ago) Permalink
This year's reissues have been better than this year's new music.
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 23 June 2009 15:00 (3 years ago) Permalink
huzzah! glad they are putting together some bonus material for these, even if it's not on disc.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 23 June 2009 15:05 (3 years ago) Permalink
and if you need to get psyched up, here's an early live show http://doomandgloomfromthetomb.tumblr.com/post/124220071/boys-with-perpetual-nervousness-the-reunited
― tylerw, Tuesday, 23 June 2009 15:08 (3 years ago) Permalink
"Lou Reed performing Einstein on the Beach"
Dan Selzer absolutely OTM up there.Crazy Rhythms is still one of my favourite albums ever; there's really nothing quite like it.
― Marco Damiani, Tuesday, 23 June 2009 15:12 (3 years ago) Permalink
Crazy Rhythms and The Good Earth will be released to coincide with the Feelies' September performance at the All Tomorrow's Parties festival where they will perform the classic Crazy Rhythms in its entirety.
I will be there in full force.
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 23 June 2009 16:08 (3 years ago) Permalink
he copious bonus material including demos, b-sides, EP tracks and some new live recordings from the re-united group will be included on digital download cards.
YES YES YES
― sleeve, Tuesday, 23 June 2009 19:15 (3 years ago) Permalink
haha, totally glazed over the "new live recordings from the re-united group" bit ... so there won't be live material from the 70s and 80s? Or am I reading that wrong.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 23 June 2009 19:19 (3 years ago) Permalink
no, sounds right. that is kind of sad.
― sleeve, Tuesday, 23 June 2009 19:22 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah, a little bit weak -- they really don't have any useable live recordings from that period? most of the stuff i have is audience recordings, but I guess I thought there'd be some sort of pro stuff in the archives. not that they don't sound good these days, but the Crazy Rhythms-era band deserves documentation ...
― tylerw, Tuesday, 23 June 2009 19:26 (3 years ago) Permalink
They have some pretty good live and studio recordings. Question is how they feel about it, I think.
― dan selzer, Tuesday, 23 June 2009 19:30 (3 years ago) Permalink
the copious bonus material including demos, b-sides, EP tracks and some new live recordings from the re-united group will be included on digital download cards.
NO NO NO
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 23 June 2009 19:31 (3 years ago) Permalink
Seeing them in the park next Monday in Chicago -- free outdoor show.
― Eazy, Tuesday, 23 June 2009 19:37 (3 years ago) Permalink
Reissues OSSOM. I can quit lurking eBay for a CD of the Good Earth.
Still waiting on live awesomeness from the original group (1978-1991). There was at least one LP bootleg pressed - was the sound any shakes? I've got the shows from Tyler's blog (thanks again, fantasticman!) which are great but tinny.
― staggerlee, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 01:55 (3 years ago) Permalink
i should quickly liquidate my good earth cd it seems
― task force vs the brisbane punks (electricsound), Wednesday, 24 June 2009 01:58 (3 years ago) Permalink
playing an acoustic set friday night at the Whitney!
― dan selzer, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 13:13 (3 years ago) Permalink
Acoustic? Strange! Their sound is so much about surging waves of electricity.
― dad a, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 13:36 (3 years ago) Permalink
So exciting to hear it's finally happening after so many false starts! I heard rumors and badgered Bar/None to confirm a year ago (see up thread), but they wouldn't say. They really should include a second disc rather than download. They'd better be available in lossless!
― Fastnbulbous, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 14:07 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah the acoustic thing is interesting -- i assume it'll be focused on the Good Earth, since that's their most acoustic album, but who knows?
― tylerw, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 14:32 (3 years ago) Permalink
I can imagine them doing acoustic versions of Crazy Rhythms and later stuff as well. Or if Dave Weckerman's there maybe it'll be all Neil Young covers. No matter I'm sure it'll be lovely and I won't be able to make it.
― dan selzer, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 14:43 (3 years ago) Permalink
I think it's high time that Demme makes that Feelies-zombie movie he originally wanted to do.
"He had called us in the early '80s and proposed a concept of a concert film that would take place in our home town. He described it as cross between The Last Waltz and The Night of the Living Dead. He had this vision. He's obsessed with small town life and suburbia. His idea was to have everybody in the town be like zombies, shuffling towards something. It turns out they're going to a Feelies concert. The zombies go inside and then by the end of the show, they're all rejuvenated and come to life. Interesting concept but he couldn't sell the idea to anyone. But we kept in touch." http://www.furious.com/perfect/ooloo.html
― Fastnbulbous, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 20:15 (3 years ago) Permalink
I'd buy that.
― dan selzer, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 20:25 (3 years ago) Permalink
me too! a smash hit! maybe Demme could work Robyn Hitchcock in there somehow as a mad scientist or something. He seems to be making a habit of cameo-ing Hitchcock these days.
― tylerw, Thursday, 25 June 2009 17:10 (3 years ago) Permalink
If the idea is to cop a Last Waltz vibe, musical guest stars would be perfect. Imagine Hitchcock singing their "Deep Fascination" and then the Feelies backing him up on "Insanely Jealous".
What artists would you want as "special guests"? You know Peter Buck would be there.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 25 June 2009 17:27 (3 years ago) Permalink
yo la tengo, for sure, probably lou reed .... maybe they could pull some Jersey cred and get the Boss himself to sing "Boy With Perpetual Nervousness"
― tylerw, Thursday, 25 June 2009 17:29 (3 years ago) Permalink
― Suckanoosik Chamber of Commerce (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 25 June 2009 17:31 (3 years ago) Permalink
oh hell yes
― tylerw, Thursday, 25 June 2009 17:33 (3 years ago) Permalink