romney's not caligula, but in my imagination he'd set the stage for a 200-year reign of intricately incestuous ruling families and their increasingly debased kin. but after g w b, i'm thinking lag~~n might be right.
― Spectrum, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 19:34 (eleven years ago) link
i don't think it'll be the end of the world if romney wins. america is pretty resilient and 4 years is not that long a time and romney will not get the chance to do too much dmg i don't think (and that's even assuming he wants to and doesn't just turn out to be technocratic moderate)
― Mordy, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 19:36 (eleven years ago) link
Just appoint a couple of judges to the Supreme Court and other federal appeals courts. No big deal
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 19:37 (eleven years ago) link
also, liberals can pretend to care about civil liberties & extrajudicial executions again.
― cancer, kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 19:37 (eleven years ago) link
why people care so damn much about abortion BAFFLES THE SHIT OUT OF ME
― homosexual II, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 19:38 (eleven years ago) link
xxxxpost
At this point, I'm honestly more interested in smart people saying reassuring things to convince me that things won't go to absolute hell if Romney does win.
― Gyrate For Physicet (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 19:38 (eleven years ago) link
it won't be the end of the world != it's no big deal
― Mordy, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 19:38 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, this is the scariest prospect, imo.
― cancer, kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, October 16, 2012 3:37 PM (56 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this is not nothing!
― Mordy, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 19:39 (eleven years ago) link
then go back to not pretending. HILLARY 2016
― cancer, kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 19:40 (eleven years ago) link
i don't see any daylight between romney + obama on foreign affairs + war on terror except re tone. obama is more subtle, serious, discursive, romney would be more aggressive, threatening, both would probably deploy same # of drones, both would probably execute iranian strategy in same way (i think, this one i'm not sure of)
― Mordy, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 19:40 (eleven years ago) link
i don't mean discursive
but like analytic maybe
― Mordy, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 19:41 (eleven years ago) link
if Mitt wins only death will get a lib to leave the Supremes.
― cancer, kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 19:41 (eleven years ago) link
Too bad for Romney the death squads will be dismantled when he presumes office.
― Bobby Ken Doll (Eric H.), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 19:42 (eleven years ago) link
(i.e. panels; I'm out of practice)
i bet you $10,000 that if romney wins he won't touch obamacare
― Mordy, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 19:44 (eleven years ago) link
So let's say Romney wins, the house maintains a GOP majority, but the senate stays DEM. Any chance at all Obamacare actually gets repealed? Mitt can't veto anything, right? And it's already passed Supreme Court muster. I guess he could repeal with an executive order, but maybe he couldn't.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 19:45 (eleven years ago) link
romney much more likely to bring back torture -- can't really see obama reversing himself on that one.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 19:45 (eleven years ago) link
Ryan and the GOP already have a plan to pass his budget through another reconciliation magic trick, I read yesterday on Chait's site. I don't know if that's possible.
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 19:46 (eleven years ago) link
oh yeah, torture for sure coming back.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 19:46 (eleven years ago) link
thank god the mormons wait until jews are dead before they forcibly convert us whew
― Mordy, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 19:47 (eleven years ago) link
http://nymag.com/news/politics/elections-2012/obama-romney-economic-plans-2012-10/
― beef richards (Mr. Que), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 19:48 (eleven years ago) link
i don't see any daylight between romney + obama on foreign affairs + war on terror except re tone.
Diplomatic skill, genuine interest and empathy, etc.
― timellison, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 19:49 (eleven years ago) link
that's just a morbz open basket imho
― Mordy, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 19:50 (eleven years ago) link
"empathy" there
Oh well.
― timellison, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 19:51 (eleven years ago) link
well who knows what romney would do re foreign policy if elected, the fact that all hes said abt it basically amounts to get tough leads me to believe he could be quite a bit worse than obama, unless hes just blustering and war w/iran is not really a thing he wants, which is completely w/in the realm of possibility
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 19:53 (eleven years ago) link
WHO DO YOU TRUST MORE ON IRAN
― timellison, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 19:55 (eleven years ago) link
hes just blustering and war w/iran is not really a thing he wants, which is completely w/in the realm of possibility
All of his wild west foreign policy words have been put in his mouth imo. Of course, if he'll do it in a campaign, he'll be just as much a piece of clay in office.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 19:55 (eleven years ago) link
my impression is that the circumstances that determine whether we go to war w/ iran or not has very little to do w/ whether obama or romney is in office
― Mordy, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 19:56 (eleven years ago) link
our torture has just been outsourced
― cancer, kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 19:57 (eleven years ago) link
like, obama has said that military intervention is on the table re stopping nuclear iran. that he will not allow iran to get nuclear weapons. and he's actually president! to believe that obama won't go to war w/ iran takes a bigger leap of faith than believing romney won't go to war w/ iran.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 19:57 (eleven years ago) link
The Libya thing...I'm not bothered that it took 3 weeks to get the story out to the public correctly. I am bothered that there was an intelligence breakdown that allowed it in the first place. Weird how the media seems to be focusing on the former.
I said on one of these half dozen threads last week that this typical CIA botch job for which the State Department will get the blame and accusations that it's run by striped-pants pansies.
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 19:59 (eleven years ago) link
*that this IS
― timellison, Tuesday, October 16, 2012 3
how do you gauge these things?
Is war really in the cards? Seems more about whether there's going to be strikes on their facilities. Much prefer Obama for dealing with the whole region on the issue.
― timellison, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 20:00 (eleven years ago) link
Intuition.
― Mordy, Tuesday, October 16, 2012 3:57 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
of course either of them would go to war w/iran depending on circumstances, that doesnt mean that itd require the same circumstances for both tho, duh
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 20:00 (eleven years ago) link
Obamajesus
― cancer, kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 20:01 (eleven years ago) link
re: differences between obama and romney -- i don't actually believe that gore, if elected, would have gone to war in both iraq and afghanistan. i imagine it would have been a clusterfuck either way but i think the mess would have been a bit less sloppy.
― omar little, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 20:07 (eleven years ago) link
so i think obama while not exactly a pacifist could handle things differently, just as the previous prez handled it differently than gore likely would have.
no one except bush and his cronies was going to war in iraq, that shit was so left field
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 20:08 (eleven years ago) link
Pretty sure Al Qaeda would've been so scared of a Gore administration that Osama would have vetoed the attacks.
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 20:08 (eleven years ago) link
woulda been interesting cause the gop woulda pinned 9/11 on gore in a fairly cynical way for the 2004 elections. he possibly woulda prevented it, also.
― iatee, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 20:09 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, i don't think romney is going to invade like north korea. he seems a lot more practical + pragmatic than bush to me
― Mordy, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 20:09 (eleven years ago) link
I don't believe it for a second, Mordy. That's what Bush was in 2000 too.
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 20:10 (eleven years ago) link
romney is a total cypher but one thing that i think does emerge from the biographical fog is that he is v risk adverse
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 20:11 (eleven years ago) link
bush never struck me as practical or pragmatic
^^ what lag00n said
― Mordy, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 20:11 (eleven years ago) link
on the other hand i dont think he has much of a backbone and could totally be bullied by the gop into doing just abt anything
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 20:13 (eleven years ago) link