it occurs to me that prometheus is the first real sci-fi movie in the alien series
― space dokken (Edward III), Friday, 12 October 2012 20:15 (eleven years ago) link
What, because having space bases and killer aliens on them isn't science fiction?
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Friday, 12 October 2012 20:16 (eleven years ago) link
Ripped from today's headlines.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 12 October 2012 20:16 (eleven years ago) link
didn't AVP answer the question that we and aliens both were created by predators for hunting?
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 12 October 2012 20:19 (eleven years ago) link
lol you guys are tying yourselves in knots
― Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Friday, 12 October 2012 20:19 (eleven years ago) link
AVP >>>>>>>> prometheus
and avp was, until then, the worst thing ot happen to the alien universe
actually, its arguable whether avp or alien ressurection's band of cheeky gauls was worse
― Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Friday, 12 October 2012 20:20 (eleven years ago) link
i'll grant you lance henriksen was a superior weyland, and looked more convincing as a gaunt specter of death.
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 12 October 2012 20:21 (eleven years ago) link
This is all going to end with s1ocki reenacting Dennis Hopper's breakdown in The Last Movie.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 12 October 2012 20:23 (eleven years ago) link
well there's sci-fi where the fi overshadows the sci, like star wars or other space operas, then there are things like star trek that are more about exploration, the future as a new reality to be understood, what new species tell us about humanity etc. alien is a haunted house movie where the house is a spaceship, aliens is a war movie where the battlefield is a planet, alien3 is a prison movie etc...
xps
― space dokken (Edward III), Friday, 12 October 2012 20:25 (eleven years ago) link
I still don't know wtf alien resurrection is, if you figure it out please write
― space dokken (Edward III), Friday, 12 October 2012 20:26 (eleven years ago) link
frankly, the notion that humans are accidental by-product of a bio-weapon created by a super-intelligent race that looks on us as something to be exterminated (ie, like Aliens) strikes me as kind of a unique answer to "big questions."
Actually, this has been kicking around the alien abduction branch of UFO conspiracy theory for awhile. More here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panspermia
― Elvis Telecom, Friday, 12 October 2012 20:28 (eleven years ago) link
a french farce xp
― Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Friday, 12 October 2012 20:29 (eleven years ago) link
la cage aux xenomorph
― space dokken (Edward III), Friday, 12 October 2012 20:31 (eleven years ago) link
They open up the pod, Nathan Lane steps out...
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 12 October 2012 20:31 (eleven years ago) link
"IT'S HUGE WHITE AND TERRIFYING, RUN."
Alien Resurrection is an 8-page story from a 1979 issue of Heavy Metal magazine - only it hasn't been translated from the original French.
― Elvis Telecom, Friday, 12 October 2012 20:32 (eleven years ago) link
there ya go.
― Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Friday, 12 October 2012 20:33 (eleven years ago) link
lance henriksen was in an Aliens movie!!! I wish he had been in more movies. I've only watched the first two Aliens and this one ,but reading this thread has made me want to see them all
― JacobSanders, Friday, 12 October 2012 20:36 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zCbtPL_Kng"weyland yutani... bought out by WAL-MART" kind of sums up alien resurrection
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 12 October 2012 20:37 (eleven years ago) link
I see prometheus on the more speculative end of sci-fi which is the genre's sweet spot imo... and speculative works tend to be less concerned with rational character behavior and narrative consistency
yet this is somehow still otm:
and in the end the only question that needs answering, as in all the other alien movies, is how the fuck are we going to get out of here
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, October 12, 2012 3:54 PM (20 minutes ago)
― space dokken (Edward III), Friday, 12 October 2012 20:38 (eleven years ago) link
re: lance henriksen -- he was in almost as many alien movies as sigourney weaver! RIP BISHOP
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 12 October 2012 20:40 (eleven years ago) link
nothing to do w/ this movie (haven't seen) but, i'd love to see a movie about aliens that flips the usual comment on human militarism (do we try to talk to them or do we fight them) -- make the aliens factional in that way.
― there is no dana, only (goole), Friday, 12 October 2012 20:40 (eleven years ago) link
what
― space dokken (Edward III), Friday, 12 October 2012 20:42 (eleven years ago) link
I guess I'll be watching all of them soon, haven't seen Aliens 2 since it came out, and only remember there being a little girl hiding, and military type men.
― JacobSanders, Friday, 12 October 2012 20:43 (eleven years ago) link
I feel like I should mention PREDATORS again so there it is
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Friday, 12 October 2012 20:43 (eleven years ago) link
goole idgi can you unpack yr science faction scenario
― space dokken (Edward III), Friday, 12 October 2012 20:44 (eleven years ago) link
plenty of alien movies are like this:
1. humans encounter aliens (accidentally, whatev)2. mutual incomprehension = potential for violence3. humans are divided on question: try to comprehend or opt for violence quickly
most alien movies solve this problem by making the aliens malevolent. i'm saying, add 4. the aliens are divided by that exact question themselves
― there is no dana, only (goole), Friday, 12 October 2012 20:49 (eleven years ago) link
aliens are ppl too
― space dokken (Edward III), Friday, 12 October 2012 20:50 (eleven years ago) link
there was an alien comic where the android wasn't a humanoid but built in the shape of an alien so it could observe their behavior, but it was still basically the servant to the human scientists so they had scenes with this alienbot serving the science crew tea and wearing a baseball cap -- i think the alienbot got stockholm syndrome or something and started mauling the scientists. does that qualify?
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 12 October 2012 20:50 (eleven years ago) link
it's p curious that in alien/monster stories it's generally only humans that have any politics
i guess the big trend of werewolf/vampire hidden society shit cuts against this
― there is no dana, only (goole), Friday, 12 October 2012 20:53 (eleven years ago) link
maybe this could be a sequel for "to serve man", detailing the burgeoning movement of vegetarian aliens, they listen to black metal, argue with the ones advocating for free range humans, etc
― space dokken (Edward III), Friday, 12 October 2012 20:54 (eleven years ago) link
― there is no dana, only (goole), Friday, October 12, 2012 3:40 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
not "aliens" per se but battlestar galactica had a ton of this
― congratulations (n/a), Friday, 12 October 2012 20:54 (eleven years ago) link
the newer one
― congratulations (n/a), Friday, 12 October 2012 20:55 (eleven years ago) link
oh right. i never wanted to soldier through that cos i kept hearing the final season was so terrible
― there is no dana, only (goole), Friday, 12 October 2012 20:56 (eleven years ago) link
Countdown to renting the DVD this weekend! Will be the third time watching it.
Totally understand and respect why people can't get over this film's misfires, but... the film I can't forgive myself for not walking out on this summer was that Batman movie -- for me, that is the definition of meaningless, uninspired, rote journeyman direction and autopilot acting. Give me unpredictable batshit insanity over competence any fucking day of the week.
― Milton Parker, Friday, 12 October 2012 20:58 (eleven years ago) link
& I agree with EdIII -- everything that's important about this film, the science fiction under the hood, strikes the right balance between consistent and mysterious
― Milton Parker, Friday, 12 October 2012 21:00 (eleven years ago) link
That would be great if Ridley could go back to the original Alien and reconstruct the scene of Ash going "I admire their purity", then cut to Ash watching xenomorph version of C-SPAN where Alien congress is debating the human question with half of the chairs absent and one particularly elderly Alien congressman visibly falling asleep and drooling from his second mouth, then Ash just closing his eyes and shaking his head.
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 12 October 2012 21:02 (eleven years ago) link
I want another Alien film and the big reveal is that there's only one human on board
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Friday, 12 October 2012 21:09 (eleven years ago) link
this sounds amazing
― have a sandwich or ice cream sandwich (Jordan), Friday, 12 October 2012 21:13 (eleven years ago) link
everything that's important about this film, the science fiction under the hood, strikes the right balance between consistent and mysterious
― Milton Parker, Friday, October 12, 2012 5:00 PM (12 minutes ago)
plus there's some iconic imagery, the sequence w/ david and the starmap is something I really started digging, thinking about the implications of a robot experiencing wonder at the creation of the creators of his creator
http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/articles/arts/movies/2012/06/120607_MOVIES_PROMETHEUS.jpg.CROP.rectangle3-large.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/edwardiii/prometheus_ipad_3.png
― space dokken (Edward III), Friday, 12 October 2012 21:13 (eleven years ago) link
Alien resurrection's band of Gauls does indeed disrupt the thematic and aesthetic unity of the series oh wait no, I read that wrong, turns out there's no such fkn thing.
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 12 October 2012 21:14 (eleven years ago) link
the sequence w/ david and the starmap is something I really started digging, thinking about the implications of a robot experiencing wonder at the creation of the creators of his creator
pretty much. the first time I saw this, they'd already run the 'wonderous' musical theme into the ground so when they went for broke with it again during this sequence, it was John Williamsesque overload and I just clocked out and checked out the CGI. the second time through, the film really seemed to build to that scene and it emotionally worked me over. the CGI wasn't just beautiful anymore, it was meaningful.
― Milton Parker, Friday, 12 October 2012 21:56 (eleven years ago) link
at least as meaningful as the recovered aliens in Quatermass and the Pit anyway
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-gQH4RWKsuzg/TYYfMjHym2I/AAAAAAAAAEw/JmffIFIJFXI/s1600/hob.jpg
― Milton Parker, Friday, 12 October 2012 22:03 (eleven years ago) link
I'm very excited about buying the Blu of this tonight. Can totally watch this thing over and over.
― Loo Reading (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 12 October 2012 22:05 (eleven years ago) link
Wow, this thread really went in some goofy directions in this last couple hours. Would rather watch Alien Resurrection or renegade android xenomorph: the movie than this acceptable but totally lifeless blah junk any day... 'balls to the wall action movie??? There were no balls and no wall! Zzzzz
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 12 October 2012 22:16 (eleven years ago) link
Er, zzzz. Basically, if you liked it, cool, but do you really think you are actually RIGHT?
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 12 October 2012 22:17 (eleven years ago) link
The posters on this thread who liked this film are much less self-righteous about their opinions of it than the ones who are invested in having their dislike of it validated by 'reality'
― Milton Parker, Friday, 12 October 2012 22:20 (eleven years ago) link
i don't feel this movie was offensive or problematic enough to be graded on a right/wrong scale, but i do feel like there's some hidden reasons for liking this movie that haven't surfaced, because the reasons given so far don't seem to hold up when applied to other movies (e.g. alien v predator, etc...)
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 12 October 2012 22:24 (eleven years ago) link