Sea Devils And Die: GeroniMoffat's Doctor Who In The 2010s

ooh, good connection! The Girl in The Fireplace might have been my least favorite Tennant episode.

But... but... you DID see the Daleks in New York story, right?

Ha Ha I actually liked the Daleks take Manhattan. I thought it was funny.

The problem with landing the tardis in 30s New York didn't have anything to do with events in the Dalek story did it?

Presumably had more to do with the energy battery the Angels had set up and which was destroyed by the end of the episode. So just realising if it was down to that, then the problem would have disappeared when the battery was flushed out of history, surely?

So is that another loophole they missed? or did somebody already mention that?

I think the logic was that the paradox created by Rory and Amy's "suicide" was so large that it would be dangerous to land a TARDIS at the same place and time again.

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I would definitely play an old school Lucasarts Doctor Who game.

Daleks in New York > Angels in New York... but honestly they should stop visiting America, its always pretty cringeworthy.

Well maybe if they used American actors for American parts it would all be better?

Gotta keep chasing that big US audience.

Did people watch the Coming Soon Christmas bit and if so can we talk companion?

I didn't and would like not to, but this may be a minority opinion now

Well maybe if they used American actors for American parts it would all be better?

Mike McShane is American, isn't he?

Canadian, if I remember WLIIA correctly.

Born in Boston, Massachusetts and raised in Roeland Park, Kansas,

There is a 'special' accent I call "Radio 4 American".

I stand corrected on McShane.

Huh, I thought he was Canadian too.

oh was that Mike McShane in the last episode, I didn't recognise him. But he's been an ex-pat for years hasn't he? Was certainly in London in the 90s cos I saw him around Soho/Berwick St a few times at the time.

Had wondered if any of that was filmed in NYC for some reason, was that Cardiff doubling for Central Park?

Just thought they'd normally used English actors with bad BBC US accents as a staple through the history of the programme.

Central Park played the role of Central Park in tonight's performance.

No, that was genuinely Central Park. The dalek one didn't have any actual filming in NYC (apart from Confidential).

Wondered if they would, if the budget had sunk. Wasn't really sure if they actually needed to since it was only used intermittently.
Must cost quite a bit to shift the production to the U.S. if it could be recreated at home?

The opening scene with them reading in the park was very ostentatiously "look, we actaully filmed this in NY!"

Guess I'm kind of wondering why they would do something like that if they didn't actually need to. Seemed to be a pretty fleeting glimpse of actual NYC, years ago they would have just filmed somewhere else that didn't automatically incur costs to get to in the same league and tried to pass it off. So if there are budgetary constraints why are they using up what budget there is in that way?
Would have been nice to get a couple more episodes without as exotic locations?
Or has it come down to individual budgeting of individual episodes over so much money spread over a full series? Maybe it wouldn't make up that much difference, but surely relocating across continents costs something in itself?

The NYC shots spent a large percentage of their budget this year, which is why the dalek one didn't do it and why the dinosaur mattes were reused from Walking With Dinosaurs.

They also used the trip to the US to do a bunch of promo.

Would have been nice to get a couple more episodes without as exotic locations?

It doesn't work like this, they were commissioned for 14 episodes.

Would have been nice to get a couple more episodes decent scripts without as exotic locations?

I've been hoping they're saving all the good scripts for next year

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XWU6XL9xI4k

The Angels Take Manhattan didn't make me cry, but this made me tear up a little.

Aw, yeah, that's nice.

Oh, this came out. I've not read it.

http://www.sfx.co.uk/2012/09/27/doctor-whos-first-e-book-exclusive-inspired-by-the-angels-take-manhattan/

Does anybody know where the snow scene in the dalek episode was shot? Just been wondering since seeing it. Was it the U.K. somewhere? Wasn't aware there was now around with nice weather when it did snow.

Almeria in Spain.

Anyway, I wasn't taken with the Ponds thing but you probably all guessed that. It does raise the question of how they became well enough established in 1946 to adopt without Rory drawing enough attention to himself and get drafted.

Maybe the US army has a policy against recruiting those with too much residual time energy.

Actually, how did Chris Chibnall write this? Was it, in fact, supposed to be at the end of The Power Of Three and spoiler Angels which is why it wasn't filmed?

Was it, in fact, supposed to be at the end of The Power Of Three and spoiler Angels which is why it wasn't filmed?

no, that is highly unlikely. it was more likely written as a potential coda to the final episode.

Why would Steven Moffatt ask Chris Chibnall to write a coda to his (Moffatt's) conclusion to a story? That makes less sense.

bcz moffat has this thing where each writer has a kind of writerly ownership for the original character they introduced?

i don't think this was written with the intent of getting it filmed, i think it is basically fanfic - a bit from moffat's first weeping angels episode, played out with chibnall's 'brian williams' character.

"Fifty Shades Of Pond"

ugh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtG5dK_HaGg

That's kind of great. Love the one from Invasion of Time when Tom and Andred say it at the same time.

I saw this the other day and found it relevant to my interests

Tom Baker Releasing Audio Book Reading of Charles Dickens' Christmas Carol

if you find the compilation of Baker T's "What??!"s plz to post

http://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2012/11/watch-a-trailer-for-the-doctor-who-christmas-speci.html?utm_source=contactology&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Paste+Lifeline+11%2F19%2F12

Christmas special then... prequel has that awful expository voiceover thing that has become one of the most annoying elements of the Moffat era. Maybe he thinks it's like being read a bed time story, but the magical elements shouldn't need to be tacked on like that. And another Victorian Christmas episode? C'mon Moff, isn't that a bit easy? I know the Christmas one is just a bit of fun, but as an introduction to the new companion it's important it's not a complete shiter. Richard E Grant hamming it up with killer snowmen? Hmmm. One criticism I've seen of Moffat's era is that the Doctor's characterisation is all over the place, and it's something I've come round to. In this prequel he starts off all dark and moody and retired, but in the trailer he's back to his wacky self.

I feel the worst for Matt Smith, he does very well with what he's given, which is sometimes very terrible.

yes. yes. too true.

One criticism I've seen of Moffat's era is that the Doctor's characterisation is all over the place, and it's something I've come round to. In this prequel he starts off all dark and moody and retired, but in the trailer he's back to his wacky self.

Dunno if this is an entirely fair criticism; Eleven has always been portrayed as particularly mercurial.

but as an introduction to the new companion it's important it's not a complete shiter

at least it means (i think) we're getting a companion not from the present day. huzzah!

oh man I carefully watched the minisode but not the trailer to avoid spoilering myself but that is very very promising you're right

chap otm, also lol as though it's new for a Doctor to be mercurial