hahah I love the wider notion of the years 2000-5 as a "vast useless wasteland" for music!
Less MVEs to be near these days; the Camden one's gone and I don't reckon the Notting Hill Soul & Dance one is long for this world either.
― Here he is with the classic "Poème Électronique." Good track (Marcello Carlin), Thursday, 4 October 2012 11:07 (3 minutes ago) Bookmark
heh obviously i meant within my narrow little avenue of stuff
perhaps there is a wider point in that that was the era of greatest physical/digital concurrence and thus most disposable stuff but the generalism goes without saying
― r|t|c, Thursday, 4 October 2012 10:17 (7 months ago) Permalink
doglatin xpost:
Hard to sum it up briefly but it's to do with the packaging and the record's general half-backward glancing. I just think it works beautifully as an artefact; on CD it would probably look all cramped and forced. I too listened to it on mp3 prior to buying it and I think the packaging and presentation enhance the record. No scientific idea why that would be the case, though. I wonder if anyone's ever done a study on listening to music and how packaging and presentation affect people's reactions to it (a bit like a recent study where people apparently found travelling by boat or train more of a "journey" than flying; see this article for instance).
― Here he is with the classic "Poème Électronique." Good track (Marcello Carlin), Thursday, 4 October 2012 10:20 (7 months ago) Permalink
> hahah I love the wider notion of the years 2000-5 as a "vast useless wasteland" for music!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landfill_indie
― koogs, Thursday, 4 October 2012 10:24 (7 months ago) Permalink
don't get Far Side Virtual-as-vinyl-experience even slightly tbh. it has an ipad on the cover!
― please do not post on reddit as reusal often offends (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 4 October 2012 10:29 (7 months ago) Permalink
that said I get the impression Ferraro is p invested in what formats he does and doesn't present his releases on. but anyway
― please do not post on reddit as reusal often offends (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 4 October 2012 10:30 (7 months ago) Permalink
Subtle blend of past and future media innit.
― Here he is with the classic "Poème Électronique." Good track (Marcello Carlin), Thursday, 4 October 2012 10:37 (7 months ago) Permalink
Hard to sum it up briefly but it's to do with the packaging and the record's general half-backward glancing. I just think it works beautifully as an artefact; on CD it would probably look all cramped and forced. I too listened to it on mp3 prior to buying it and I think the packaging and presentation enhance the record. No scientific idea why that would be the case, though. I wonder if anyone's ever done a study on listening to music and how packaging and presentation affect people's reactions to it (a bit like a recent study where people apparently found travelling by boat or train more of a "journey" than flying; see this article for instance).― Here he is with the classic "Poème Électronique." Good track (Marcello Carlin), Thursday, 4 October 2012 11:20 (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Here he is with the classic "Poème Électronique." Good track (Marcello Carlin), Thursday, 4 October 2012 11:20 (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Cool. I'm a big fan of that album as it happens. You've pretty much hit on something I've been trying to express about physical releases here, and yeah I wonder if there is a study (surely there must be?). It's all very well saying "MP3 is a medium same as CD and vinyl" but that's the same thing as saying "boats are a medium same as cars and planes" - there appears to be, for a lot of people a subconscious difference once packaging and presentation comes into play. It happens with food packaging all the time and there have been umpteen trials where people will be given two identical foodstuffs in different packaging to try out and they definitely believe there's a difference. So it's naive to think that appreciation of music isn't affected by the medium on which it's heard.
― This Is... The Police (dog latin), Thursday, 4 October 2012 10:37 (7 months ago) Permalink
I think the packaging and presentation enhance the record. No scientific idea why that would be the case, though. I wonder if anyone's ever done a study on listening to music and how packaging and presentation affect people's reactions to it
We talk about this quite a bit at DRC (two of us work in marketing / design, and one of us did a degree in colour chemistry or something), the idea of a record's sleeve influencing your perception of it. I often think of music in quite synaesthetic terms - a record will sound/feel colourful to me, or monochrome, or whatever, in terms of how I think of the music sounding, and I'm sure that sleeve design is a major factor in this. I think that the John Talabot sleeve has detrimentally affected by perception, and enjoyment, of that record; I think of it as being quite dour tonally, but I suspect other people really don't.
This might sound mental to people, and is probably more fuel to say "well if you will insist on physical media etc etc".
― comedy is unnatural and abhorrent (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 4 October 2012 10:39 (7 months ago) Permalink
actually i did buy a few new hardcore/punk lps as a gift for the missus recently and it was a pretty cool throwback experience... very niche obviously but limited pressings, reasonably priced, worthwhile attention to detail as a desirable object. real ingrained sense in that community that mp3s are meaningless and the physical artefact is still a thing, it's nice
funny you mention that as earlier this morning I stopped myself from buying this EP bcs I didn't feel like I should be spending £9.50 + postage for less than 15 minutes of music when I have vinyl that arrived a few weeks ago I've still not played
I linked to that blog specifically cos it's about a niche punk band w/ a fairly developed aesthetic but also addresses what rtc mentions. you can substitute punk for techno or whatever if you like
― please do not post on reddit as reusal often offends (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 4 October 2012 10:40 (7 months ago) Permalink
t's all very well saying "MP3 is a medium same as CD and vinyl" but that's the same thing as saying "boats are a medium same as cars and planes" - there appears to be, for a lot of people a subconscious difference once packaging and presentation comes into play.
this is a different conversation to the one you've been having. nobody is arguing that there are inherent differences between formats.
nobody is even arguing that there are good things that may eventually be lost due to digital music dominating.
people are arguing with your extremely narrow and unempirical theory about what those things are, and the vaguely expressed argument that somehow nobody discusses music IRL because they are discussing it in FAKEWORLD - THE WORLD OF COMPUTERS WHERE WE ARE ALL ROBOTS.
― Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Thursday, 4 October 2012 10:42 (7 months ago) Permalink
*nobody is arguing that there aren't inherent differences between formats
― Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Thursday, 4 October 2012 10:43 (7 months ago) Permalink
that was only a tiny part of the wider point which you decided to focus on, ronan. never mind though..
― This Is... The Police (dog latin), Thursday, 4 October 2012 10:46 (7 months ago) Permalink
make a cogent argument or walk away humming the verve to yourself, whatever.
― Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Thursday, 4 October 2012 10:46 (7 months ago) Permalink
I'd never seen that John Talabot sleeve before. I always heard it as a white/brown/light green flavoured album.
― This Is... The Police (dog latin), Thursday, 4 October 2012 10:48 (7 months ago) Permalink
funny you mention that as earlier this morning I stopped myself from buying this EP bcs I didn't feel like I should be spending £9.50 + postage for less than 15 minutes of music when I have vinyl that arrived a few weeks ago I've still not playedI linked to that blog specifically cos it's about a niche punk band w/ a fairly developed aesthetic but also addresses what rtc mentions. you can substitute punk for techno or whatever if you like― please do not post on reddit as reusal often offends (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 4 October 2012 11:40 (26 minutes ago) Bookmark
― please do not post on reddit as reusal often offends (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 4 October 2012 11:40 (26 minutes ago) Bookmark
yeah it's funny, the actual amount of music didnt really strike me as a factor and to some extent i found the brevity pretty enjoyable - very twee objet impulse of course but idk it works for that stuff i think when it's so tied to an overarching community scene
doubtless if i spent longer than a couple days' holiday in that mode i would find it a trudge same as anything
i had to laugh though, i was expecting a traverse thru this byzantine undie netherworld and then everything's freely online, takes 20 minutes a piece to listen to, diligently blogged, physical easily obtained if you're quick enough... absolute piece of piss. try having to dig for some proper music sometime you lazy posers :)
― r|t|c, Thursday, 4 October 2012 11:24 (7 months ago) Permalink
(one of the bits i purchased was the crazy spirit lp so much obliged hat tip to you and flops btw)
― r|t|c, Thursday, 4 October 2012 11:25 (7 months ago) Permalink
I listen to most of my music via digital means but still have the weird collectible object addiction.
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Thursday, 4 October 2012 15:06 (7 months ago) Permalink
recently just got my decks back where i live for first time in 3/4 years. will be buying some vinyl again soon, mainly so i can dj older stuff a bit more easily.
― Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Thursday, 4 October 2012 15:11 (7 months ago) Permalink
this just showed up this week and is part of the discussion on this poll (Spotify):
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/posts/la-et-ms-mumford-chart-20121003,0,3864347.story
The music industry has been grappling with the following question for much of the last few years: Do streaming services such as Spotify, which allow users to listen to albums for free, cannibalize sales? Leave it to a banjo-wielding English folk-rock band to provide one very loud answer.
"Babel," the sophomore album from Mumford & Sons released on Glassnote Records last week, has had the biggest debut sales week of 2012, selling approximately 600,000 copies in the U.S., according to Nielsen SoundScan.
That number, revealed Tuesday, bests first-week totals from such A-list pop stars as Justin Bieber and Madonna and did so while being streamed more than 8 million times on Spotify.
Before the release of "Babel," the bestselling debut of 2012 belonged to Bieber's "Believe," which opened with 374,000 copies sold and which has moved a total of 887,000 copies as of last week.
"You're talking about a much different artist," said Dave Bakula, a senior executive for Nielsen. "This is an album-driven artist. They're not going to have one single solitary hit that defines the album. People want everything they can get from this artist, and that's where you get large album sales."
"Babel's" 8 million-plus streams on Spotify are more than three times that of the previous record holder, said Kenneth Parks, Spotify's chief content officer, although Parks refused to reveal the title.
"Our streaming numbers sit alongside a very healthy sales volume," said Parks, whose service boasts more than 15 million worldwide users (Spotify doesn't break out users by territory). "We're living in a new age. There isn't a single model of consumption for recorded music."
Spotify has been criticized for offering lower royalty payments to labels and artists than they'd get from album sales. Other big name artists, such as Mumford & Sons country-mates Coldplay, have opted to withhold new albums from Spotify during the week of release, fearing that the ad-driven free service would hurt sales. Coldplay's most recent album, "Mylo Xyloto," sold 447,000 copies in its first week.
"Spotify is a huge form of exposure, and they're not stealing," said Glassnote Records founder Daniel Glass. "It's retraining people to buy music through streaming services. Could we be getting better compensation? Yes, but I'm not going to hold it back from them. That's old thinking."
Glass credits the band's success, in part, the band's heavy touring schedule. Mumford & Sons, which will headline a sold-out Hollywood Bowl show on Nov. 10, has been playing most, if not all, the songs on "Babel" live for months before its release.
"They were playing some of these songs a year and a half ago," Glass said. "The album became a formality. The fans can take the songs off YouTube, obviously, but they want the produced album."
"So there's still a record business," Glass added. "For now."
― Bee OK, Friday, 5 October 2012 08:15 (7 months ago) Permalink
People making a shit-ton of money from record industry say record industry is healthy, shocker.
― comedy is unnatural and abhorrent (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 5 October 2012 08:28 (7 months ago) Permalink
the name of that article is "Spotify exposure pays off for Mumford & Sons' Babel" so the writer is trying to say that Spotify actually helped sales and that may or may not be true.
― Bee OK, Friday, 5 October 2012 08:30 (7 months ago) Permalink
I think you'd need to do some serious quantitive and qualitative research to prove that Spotify helped make those sales; given that physical album sales were massive concurrently with Spotify streams, I'm not convinced - M&S were already very large, had a big profile built over about 3 years and lots of touring and extensive radio / TV coverage (in the Uk at least); first-week sales for Babel were always going to be large, Spotify or no Spotify. < / social science >
― comedy is unnatural and abhorrent (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 5 October 2012 08:37 (7 months ago) Permalink
who wrote this? what beautiful prose.
― Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Friday, 5 October 2012 08:49 (7 months ago) Permalink
MOST MEANS NOT ALL
It's almost English (xp).
― Here he is with the classic "Poème Électronique." Good track (Marcello Carlin), Friday, 5 October 2012 08:50 (7 months ago) Permalink
I had to read it about five times, it disintegrates as you try.
― Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Friday, 5 October 2012 08:52 (7 months ago) Permalink
Life is like that, as are most, if not all, things.
― Mark G, Friday, 5 October 2012 12:31 (7 months ago) Permalink
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 00:01 (7 months ago) Permalink
oops i think i bought around 25 records this week
― suare, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 00:06 (7 months ago) Permalink
40-60 seems about right for this year so far. almost all of it was bought used. 3 or 4 of those are CD's, the rest are LPs and tapes.
― billstevejim, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 00:42 (7 months ago) Permalink
Does a gummy fetus count?
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 00:44 (7 months ago) Permalink
do people buy non-used? seems like a waste of money.
― billstevejim, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 00:45 (7 months ago) Permalink
yep, enabling musicians to make a living and pay back the costs of recording is a waste of money. fuck those guys.
― fistula-la-la (sic), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 00:59 (7 months ago) Permalink
I just buy new because people get their germs inside the case, so gross
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 01:01 (7 months ago) Permalink
hah i forgot about buying music straight from bands at shows. those def aren't used.. my mistake
― billstevejim, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 01:07 (7 months ago) Permalink
I buy a lotta new stuff that is limited, I'm not likely to ever see it used for less.
― sleeve, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 01:08 (7 months ago) Permalink
i've bought 7 - 10 new albums this year. i've listened to a lot more, and like a few a lot that i've still yet to buy, and might not. i try to always buy new records that i love but sometimes they are inexplicably really expensive here (new ariel pink is like over 30 bucks, hesitant to pay that even though i think it's really dope) and sometimes they are not available. i buy used records all the time, no idea how many, about 1 - 2 per week, so like 50? accidentally voted 7-10 but that's not including used so my real answer is more like 40 - 60, which seems like a lot. i'm pretty poor most of the time so i guess i buy a lot of cheap used records. since starting a regular dj night i've had to buy music way more often cause i keep running out of things to play, or getting bored of my collection, it's a lot of fun. i like the experience of looking at different records, making a stack, picking which one you're going to buy, random picks. the record store i usually goto has a listening station so you can just listen to like 15 disco singles and buy the good ones
― flopson, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 01:22 (7 months ago) Permalink
― r|t|c, Thursday, 4 October 2012 07:24 (4 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― r|t|c, Thursday, 4 October 2012 07:25 (4 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lol glad you liked it
― flopson, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 01:25 (7 months ago) Permalink
Bought around 25 CDs this week, a total of around 30 for the year. I usually only buy records when i'm overseas.
― Go Narine, Go! (ShariVari), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 03:08 (7 months ago) Permalink
i went with 20-40, the bulk direct from bands at shows or from experimedia.
hoping to catch up on stuff i've loved this year soon, though, so that number should grow.
― alpine static, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 05:28 (7 months ago) Permalink
http://piratespressrecords.com/rancid/
myself and everyone itt who said that owning music in physical form was a worthwhile exercise just want to apologise, we were wrong and are also directly responsible for this
― it's the Suede/Denim secret police/they have come for your 90s niece (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 09:05 (7 months ago) Permalink
Jesus that sounds awful, and I'm even a guy who enjoys a handful of Rancid's albums. It sounds terrible to listen to an entire band's discography by flipping over a 7" every fucking song.
― HAPPY BDAY TOOTS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 15:10 (7 months ago) Permalink
lol mencap
― flopson, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 15:54 (7 months ago) Permalink
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 00:01 (7 months ago) Permalink
58 journalists who get freebies or 58 people who only download for free?
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 00:03 (7 months ago) Permalink
I got my quarterly money yesterday and went mental buying 14 records, I think I need to knock myself up a notch.
― Perfect Chicken Forever (Merdeyeux), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 00:08 (7 months ago) Permalink
xp: I think it's people who only listen to performer-approved live recordings on archive.org live music archive.
― borscht and bikinis (how's life), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 01:06 (7 months ago) Permalink
rip cases ingles :(
― Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 01:16 (7 months ago) Permalink
I voted zero. I do pay for digital releases though. I just don't like physical objects. They take up too much space.
― silverfish, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 01:21 (7 months ago) Permalink
on a positive note looks like 2/3's of the people who voted bought stuff
― billstevejim, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 04:03 (7 months ago) Permalink