New Burial album. More info?

"This movement was pretty small in 2001 though, and didn't really heat up until 2-step started transforming into grime over the course of 2002 (with "Pulse X" etc.). I was trying to obliquely reference it with my mention of Mike Dunn. Even The Dreem Teem were somewhat half-hearted about it, it seemed a bigger deal than it was because of the controversy over So Solid Crew and generational change."

i mean, the seeds of grime were already heavily present in 01, as were the seeds of dubstep and the 4 on the floor revolution. "battle of the mc's", "envy", etc were all sort of the almost hiphop tracks over a tough garage beat.

"In fact, 4X4 garage wasn't suddenly revived in 2001, this was happening in 2000 as well - remember tunes like Zack Toms' "Bring Me Down", Wideboys' "Westside" and "Stand & Deliver", Dominic B's "Going Round"... As for Tuff Jam, did they ever really change their sound from speed garage in the first place? Matt Lamont didn't even really start making 2-step beats until 2001! And his best 4X4 stuff from 2001/2002 was with El-B!"

yeah, the El-Tuff stuff (which was what i meant when i said "tuff jam", crack rules) was super ill, but it was definitely part of a larger movement towards that sound. i guess none of these subgenres was really established in 01, but that was when the initial tensions that led to their separation really began.

"Not to mention the fact that the 4X4 was revived in the hard 'n' dark end of the scene as well - DJ Narrows for example, and let's not forget Blazing Squad's first hit before they became a boy band (esp. great with Elephant Man on the vocals)."

sure, narrows and stuff like some of the 4 on the floor harry lime stuff was on the darkside, but i think they were kind of on the very fringes of what would be the usual "2-step scene" in general, even though some of the tunes crossed over ("grouch", "saved soul", etc) into the more mainstream 2-step world.

"So yeah there was a rise in 4/4 stuff around this time, but I think this development was more about a general nostalgia for speed garage (in both its soulful and ruff forms) than a desire to gentrify 2-step.

-- Tim F"

the thing that i think differentiates the 4 on the floor stuff from speed garage is the basslines, the 01 era stuff didnt have the dread bass lines almost at all, it was much more bouncy and house oriented. i dont think it was an effort to "gentrify" 2-step, on the contrary it was more like a "going back to our roots to rediscover our identity" movement.

"the thing i don't get about pipecock is its not just that he's saying "the best way to understand art is as an expression of an artist" but that "the ONLY way to understand art is as an expression of the artist," like he seems totally unaware that there is an art to reception

-- deej"

but the reception is where all the flaws in the communication come in. if you enjoy trying to converse with someone in a foreign language without understanding what theyre saying just because it sounds nice to your ears, i guess that works for you. i prefer to understand the language.

that only works if you conceive of music as a method of communication

or as a language w/ a relatively fixed syntax and semantics and etc etc etc

or that you can't understand english and yet have no clue what someone is saying (cf pipecock)

sorry, can undersand english

hahaha yeah srsly pipecock you are about the last person in the world who should be lecturing anyone on "communication"

"that only works if you conceive of music as a method of communication

-- max"

hahahahahahahahahahahaha.

"or as a language w/ a relatively fixed syntax and semantics and etc etc etc

or that you can't understand english and yet have no clue what someone is saying (cf pipecock)

-- moonship journey to baja"

it is not fixed in any way, thats why it is not easy!

you guys would be funny if you weren't so stupid.

sorry, pretending you're smart/condescending doesnt make it so

"sorry, pretending you're smart/condescending doesnt make it so

-- deej"

maybe i can pretend to be a cool ilxor type who doesnt know shit, then everyone would like me? hahahahahahaha. really, i cant believe some of the things that people say. music is not a form of communication? come on, that is literally the most retarded thing ive ever heard anyone say on any music forum ever, and that is saying a lot. how can you possibly be that retarded? how?

sigh.

"sigh.

-- max"

is trying to use your brain making you tired? you might wanna go ahead and give up, i dont think it will do any good.

"flaws in the reception"

""flaws in the reception"

-- moonship journey to baja"

there are some serious flaws in your reception of basically everything from what i can tell, i guess it shouldnt be surprising that it would extend to music.

You are a bot, right?

"You are a bot, right?

-- Ned Raggett"

yeah a "you guys are fucking stupid" bot.

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im trying to stay on your level so you can actually understand the pictures i post!

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Or you can't actually think of anything more sophisticated than balls and shit because you're a backward farmhand?

i'm pretty sure deej is talking about me

;_:

i'm pretty sure deej is talking about me ilx

We are all ilx.

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* type in : burial untrue review
without quotes
* look at first pic

hahaha

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The source of that pic is far more serious and completely out of context (just based on the pic name), despite it being used by a blogger to just go "pitchfork be dry lol"

ilm was always going to implode like this

"Or you can't actually think of anything more sophisticated than balls and shit because you're a backward farmhand?

-- jim"

yeah, thats probably it. i need to get out to milking your mom, now.

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goddamn it. i swear i only think "tailpipe.jpg? wtf is that" when i'm at work

dude has a look on his face. neither satisfied nor unsatisfied.

xD

"The sound that I’m focused on is more, you know, when you come out of a club and there’s that echo in your head of the music you just heard…I love that music, but I can’t make that club sort of stuff…but I can try and make the afterglow of that music."]

so i put this on again today in honor of the thread and seriously it just sounds like vintage 2step w/ an extra layer of distortion and crackle. and some woodblocks, whoo. i can't believe we had this enormous meltdown over such an ordinary album (pretty, even very pretty, but very pretty is par for the course for most 00-01 2step).

but on second look tis a fake exhaust pipe.

I reckon the Cyrus album is better than Untrue.

yeah i'm feeling it eh, but only in a mashup style with some other shit over the top otherwise it just sounds underdone, like wheres the rest of it ???

it sounds very now, in relation to the "scene" whereas burial is either on some future shit or past shit...

...like if burial had of come out about 2001 it would have been massive if only to counter the light fluffiness of 2 step back then and maybe got a bit more mileage out of the genre

actually nah, on second thought, theres not much future in burials music which is also why no one really want to go down that particular cul de sac...

...if anything he's limited himself to his trademark sound so you pretty much know what to expect in the future from him

of course if he came out and went mainstream it would give him more scope but if i were him i'd just create another entity for anything too radically different and keep burial underground ...

what do people think of the skull disco comp?

...not enuff cowbell !!!

I just heard a couple burial tracks for the first time and I'm really surprised at how much people are going ape for this. It sounds straight outta 1998, when trip hop, drum n bass, and goddamn illbient were all swirling around in the air. I'm not sure why, ten years later, it's suddenly interesting.

I'm not sure why, ten years later, it's suddenly interesting.

...because he's anonymous and kode9 is pushing it

this would actually go really great with some illbient

Hahaha -- Mackro to thread.

what do people think of the skull disco comp?

It's a little same-y over the course of a full disc, but taken in small doses, I think it's fairly astounding. In some ways, it's even creepier and more evil sounding than Untrue. And the standout track -- Blood On My Hands -- is, in many ways, the most daring and edgy work of art I've seen or heard about 09.11 (both the original and the 18 minute Villalobos version).(n.1)

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(n.1) To be clear, the fact that it's daring or edgy doesn't make it morally defensible. If I'm hearing it right, the song is about a political radical's contemporaneous reaction to the 09.11 attacks. The narrorator doesn't sound shocked or sad or troubled or morally conflicted; the attacks don't make him re-evaluate his radicalism. Instead, his droning lyric -- "When I see the towers fall . . . fall . . . fall . . . fall" -- sounds removed and sinister.

Anyway, maybe that's just what I'm hearing. It's also possible the song is written from a different perspective, one more sympathetic to 09.11's victims. It just doesn't sound like that to my ears, and there is another song on the disc called "Hamas Rules," and so forth. Still, a very powerful piece, which is even more striking to me inasmuch as it's the only art I've seen about the actual 09.11 incident (as opposed to the broader "Global War on Terrorism" or the Iraq War) that isn't very obviously pro-American and patriotic.

Gah. Every time I re-read something I've posted, I cringe at how stupid it sounds. My apologies. Also, FWIW, I'm Jewish and not the least bit sympathetic to the 09.11 terrorists.

seems those no life uber geeks over at dissensus still cant stop talking about me even though i been banned from there for an age...

...hahaha suck balls guys. Don't make me spam your wack board

living/being in NZ and only having music as a therapeutic hobby is about as good as it gets...

...ask Mala, he wants to move here cos us polynesians are just so fucking cool and laid back

so while those dissensus clowns keep talking about it, codifying and gentrifying it , i'll just keep it real and make/do/say whatever the fuck i like just cos i can and don't you fuckers wish you could too...

...as for my obsession with breaks ???... fuck yeah it's all about breakbeats. Ask oris jay or zed bias. I started out as B boy, now can you guess what the B stood for ??? and what if anything is jungle but breakbeat culture. try double timing a 70 bpm halfstep beat and see what that gets ya ???

ill advised racially motivated name ???... fuck yeah, i cant stand poxy elitist pommy wankers and pilled out nu age cracka ass american crackas most of which find dissensus as a haven. Those cunts can only wish they were coloured.

piss poor self promotion ???... fuck yeah haha, if only i wanted to be taken seriously as a muso or artist, but the thing is i got so much going on in my life i just cant dedicate full time to it. If i did i'd show alot of peoples lame noodlings up as, well lame noodlings i suppose

...as for burial. I do like the hyperdub grafikery and a couple of tunes depending how blazed i am and where i am but the boxcutter album is better WAY BETTER

I'd take Enigma's "The Sadeness" over anything by Burial. And my feelings on "The Sadeness" are well documented on ILM.

Every time I re-read something I've posted, I cringe at how stupid it sounds. My apologies. Also, FWIW, I'm Jewish and not the least bit sympathetic to the 09.11 terrorists.

a jewish apologist...am I the only one who finds that funny ???

I try to live by a code of no apologies, no thank yous and no excuses

...you really shouldn't give a toss what or how stupid anything you say on the net cos is there is always something and someone stupider...heh

so what if a bunch of people you will probabaly never meet nor give the time of day to in real life think you're common ???

...who the fuck you trying to impress ???

btw i wonder if there isn't always a certain need people have, for an album like this (ghost cannibalization of older surer musics, at a sort of above the merry-go-round of modernity remove LET'S SAY) at this exact stage of every decade? yknow, this random desultory phase where people dont know what the big optimistic groundswell is and aren't finding themselves getting caught up in anything. it just seems so much like the clamour about pole all over again, from where i'm sitting.

or maybe the question should be not that the need exists, but that the one album always seems to get made? i wonder what the 80s equivalent was, if there was one. perhaps people werent yet po-mo enough by that point.

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"so while those dissensus clowns keep talking about it, codifying and gentrifying it , i'll just keep it real and make/do/say whatever the fuck i like just cos i can and don't you fuckers wish you could too...

-- pollywog"

haha. and to think that i thought this place was better than that one.

martin clark in particular needs to step off my jock. i remember him arguing around march 06 about burial's first (as of then not yet released) album being on vinyl:

"Since Burial's drums aren't in time (they're hand built in Soundforge and not sequenced), beatmixing from vinyl is fairly pointless ...!"

"There's gonna be no vinyl release. given the unsequenced drum structure and high cost of vinyl, there's no point really"

"tom

perhaps you'd care to fund the vinyl pressing personally then? ;)"

if only i wasnt a broke student, i should have taken him up on that offer and cleaned house. even the people who are supposed to know what is up with this music don't know shit. suckers.

pussies

^^^^hardman.

also, u say 'my jock' and 'suckers' too much.

Maybe they're in love.