Jackson Browne - C or D?

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haha ok i'm totally misremembering everything, stop presses, it WAS NOT c crowe who did not flush. here it is: http://condor.depaul.edu/~dweinste/rock/meltzer-afrev.html

Ah, the gang: I knew it well. I'd had an encounter with one of its thugs, see, and in the process got tossed by said mag for telling what was it?, oh yes, the truth. This was '72. After several false starts, Jackson Browne finally had an album out, which seemed a good occasion to bring to light some interesting hokum from his past--I'd known the mutha since '67. So I did the first feature on him for Rolling Stone or anywhere else--a rave, for crying out loud, and he freaking hated it, thought it made him look "too punk." And what might be so wrong with that? Before twelve people knew who the fuck he was, he was like some weird-isn't-the-word cross between the Young Marble Giants, say--or from a later universe: Cat Power--and Byron or Shelley. On his first visit to New York, he backed up (and horizontal-danced with) the fabulous NICO, had a connection to Lou Reed and the Warhol crowd, blah blah blooey. So I talked all this stuff up--what the hey--it was what I thought would make him MOST APPEALING. And he's so upset he gets Asylum Records prez David Geffen to call the Stone and have me booted, good riddance, don't come back.

Four years later, I was eating at South Town Soul Food in L.A. when Jackson walked in with gang-sister number one Linda Ronstadt. Not wanting her exposed to my cooties, he motions for her to stay put, struts over, sits down, and in less than a minute explains to me how it is. "We singer-songwriters"--he always relished being part of something (but imagine calling yourself such hogwipe)--"feel we get a better shake from this Cameron kid...he never challenges us...accepts our side of the story...we don't have to worry what he'll say...no offense, but..." I.e., writers exist to write-about-musicians, bub...so go wash dishes or something.

poor thing.

g--ff (gcannon), Friday, 26 November 2004 07:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Ahh, just put on 'Late for the Sky' so classic in a mildly boring kinda way.

Baaderonixxx le Jeune (Fabfunk), Friday, 26 November 2004 09:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Steal 'Late For The Sky' & 'The Pretender'

Mooro (Mooro), Friday, 26 November 2004 17:34 (nineteen years ago) link

i like somebody's baby too - always reminds me of "fast times at ridgemont high"

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 26 November 2004 17:38 (nineteen years ago) link

(a) i don't believe that story
(b) meltzer must be the most annoying writer i've encountered in months
(c) he uses the phrase "horizontal dance" which means he no longer exists to me

amateur!!st, Friday, 26 November 2004 20:04 (nineteen years ago) link

I think 'horizontal dance' was shelved at last sec as the title for JB's Hits...
None of em are completely NOT boring. Running on Empty is mostly(?) live and therefore a little more world-weary/leery -probably too punk in this sense.
'Late' is slick!

fancybill, Friday, 26 November 2004 23:12 (nineteen years ago) link

two months pass...
Revive.

Lots of comments here on the Jackson songs recorded by Nico on Chelsea Girls, plus Meltzer's comments on Jackson's early songs. There was a double LP acetate album produced in '67 as a songwriting demo album. Jackson has never released the stuff, but it has been bootlegged as the Nina Demos. I think Meltzer's comments are a little over the top--there's a saccharine element to some of these songs--but I swear there are like fifteen or more songs on the thing that are as good as those three songs on Chelsea Girls.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 31 January 2005 19:15 (nineteen years ago) link

how does that material compare to the nitty gritty dirt band's first record?

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 31 January 2005 19:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, the NGDB had their old-timey music material and then they had those kind of baroque pop versions of Jackson songs and Steve Noonan/Greg Copeland songs. The Nina Demos are just Jackson on acoustic guitar.

Steve Noonan's Elektra album is worth hearing. Meltzer has some things about it in Aesthetics of Rock.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 31 January 2005 19:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Cover photo by Linda Eastman.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 31 January 2005 19:25 (nineteen years ago) link

three months pass...
i recently rediscovered the first (and best) jackson browne lp, and it is really good.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 05:23 (eighteen years ago) link

ahh... Saturate When Using... There are some cool tunes on that one. I think it's time for me to revive my obsession with 70s California Asylum/Geffen rock...
Or I might pull out the last Wilson Philips album

Baaderonixxxorzh (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 07:55 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't get the hate towards "Lawyers in Love." Great pastiche of doo-wop, good guitar work, and Jackson shows that he's got a sense of humor!

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 12:36 (eighteen years ago) link

the arrangements on his later records are so clunky, i find them embarrassing even if the songwriting and lyrics aren't truly embarrassing.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 16:03 (eighteen years ago) link

That's my problem with the much-beloved "Somebody's Baby," a terrific pop tune ruined by pedestrian El Lay backing band. It sounds like it could be sprightlier, happier, or swing a bit.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 16:11 (eighteen years ago) link

HUGE fucking Dud. He and the Eagles should be tied up, locked in a submarine and torpedoed towards the earth's core....where, upon arrival, they must fight desperately to stay alive against swarms of angry pteradactyles in a skyless, underground realm ruled by monobrowed zinjanthropi.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 16:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Loathe The Eagles. Love Doctor My Eyes.

PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 16:17 (eighteen years ago) link

HUGE fucking Dud. He and the Eagles should be tied up, locked in a submarine and torpedoed towards the earth's core....where, upon arrival, they must fight desperately to stay alive against swarms of angry pteradactyles in a skyless, underground realm ruled by monobrowed zinjanthropi.
-- Alex in NYC (vassife...) (webmail), May 4th, 2005 5:14 PM. (vassifer) (link)


i must say: alex, you've outdone yourself

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 16:36 (eighteen years ago) link

he's got a sense of humor

i dunno, his sense of humor seems really academic and leaden to me. i say this as a pretty big fan of his first 2 1/2 records.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 16:39 (eighteen years ago) link

I like "Doctor My Eyes," that's a good single.

I also love his "Mae Jean Goes to Hollywood," done brilliantly by the Byrds...and I just heard a good version of it by Johnny Darrell, on this Raven Byrds-associated song comp called "Byrd Parts 2."

I mean, I think that's his best song ever.

Overall, though, not someone I go back to. I kinda think "Running on Empty" album is all right. He was on the road and all. I share Alex's wish to consign the Eagles to some eternal hell, though--even though I admit to liking "Take It to the Limit" and sort of halfway respecting some of what they did otherwise, like "Life in the Fast Lane," which is, uh, really well performed and recorded...

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 16:44 (eighteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
" so classic in a mildly boring kinda way" is right. there's something so literal, dull, and occasionally quite dumb and clunky about "late for the sky," and yet browne describes certain moments of an affair with a good deal of precision, and it definitely evokes a cathartic "this is your life" response in me every few lines. but i'm not sure what it does beyond that. there's a real pleasure listening to this record (well, most of it) but it's one that leaves me feeling more than vaguely unfulfilled, uninspired.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Friday, 27 May 2005 17:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Still love "Running On Empty" (the song), like "Lawyers in Love" and "In The Shape of My Heart," discard everything else.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 27 May 2005 17:32 (eighteen years ago) link

"the words had all been spoken / and yet somehow the feeling still wasn't right / so we continued on through the night..." sort of epitomizes what i'm talking about. that's a great opening line, but also sort of clinical, and the song doesn't really fulfill all its expectations,and i don't know what the clincher (the title phrase) means exactly.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Friday, 27 May 2005 17:39 (eighteen years ago) link

some of what i like about that record (and browne in general) is sort of ineffable, just the unshowiness of his phrasing and the timbre of his voice, which he almost always uses well (on his first 4 records at least).

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Friday, 27 May 2005 17:42 (eighteen years ago) link

also the way he writes a tune to those opening lines is sort of brilliant, the strain in his voice accompanying the higher reaches of the melody comes at EXACTLY the right moments in the lyric, as do the more "resigned" melodic resolutions.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Friday, 27 May 2005 17:59 (eighteen years ago) link

i mean most good pop music has that sort of speech-like quality. but he really outdoes himself here. "i don't know WHAT YOU-U-U LOVED IN ME[voice cracks]" etc. although i still can't get behind this stuff unequivocally.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Friday, 27 May 2005 18:01 (eighteen years ago) link

You should hear the Nina Demos, ammo.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 27 May 2005 18:05 (eighteen years ago) link

how do i hear them???? can you gmail them to me?

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Friday, 27 May 2005 19:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Be glad to burn copies. I'll email you.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 27 May 2005 22:46 (eighteen years ago) link

seven months pass...
I lived a quite happy Jackson Browneless existence from circa 1987 through 2005. It never even occurred to me that I might be missing something; there was so much else to listen to. Maybe I had a glimmering of reawakening when somebody covered "Somebody's Baby" for the Not Another Teen Movie soundtrack. But it passed.

The other day I had a sudden, intense need to hear "Tender Is the Night" and "The Pretender" and maybe also "Rock Me on the Water" and even "Lawyers in Love." Just for grins I thought maybe I also needed "Running on Empty" as well.

Holy moley. The dude is catching some very specific range of Boomer middle-aged melancholy that I'm going to find irresistible for a week and then put back on the shelf for another couple decades, but don't harsh my mellow just yet.

I never want to hear "Doctor My Eyes" again but there are a few lyrics of his that I absolutely need to have exist. God sends his spaceships to America. I want to know what became of the changes we waited for love to bring. Looking into their eyes I see them running too. Tender are the hunters. Just make sure you've got it all set to go before you come for my piano.

The production values show some of the worst late-70s excess and bigness/slickness, but then he mostly stick to recognizable, basically timeless rock instrumentation--few synth drums, few sax solos--and it has some agreeable white-t-shirt purity to it. His voice can be too earnest and a bit laconic, but at the same time, the way he sings "the benediction of the neon light" and "now we've got all this room, we've even got the moon" charm me.

The Mad Puffin (The Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 01:59 (eighteen years ago) link

his solo acoustic album from last year is awesome

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 02:29 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, his in-between song rants and especially "lives in the balance" are pretty cathartic, politically

prince rupert, Tuesday, 24 January 2006 02:42 (eighteen years ago) link

i was gonna summon mr. tallis to thread, but here he is.

stockholm cindy (winter version) (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 02:59 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah that solo "Lives in the Balance" sends chills down my spine! also the spoken intro to "These Days" is classic

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 03:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Terry Melcher's "These Days" is quite the beautiful.

just yesterday a friend tried to convince me that Jackson Browne is better than Tom Petty. i wasn't having it, but i need to hear more browne

jaxon (jaxon), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 06:04 (eighteen years ago) link

i only know the brilliant "lawyers in love" and the excellent "somebody's baby". should i buy a greatest hits or the original albums ?

retrogurl, Tuesday, 24 January 2006 07:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Puffin, go back and listen to "Late For The Sky" a few times. If you've ever known it was over just before it was really, really over, and been lying in a bed with someone who knew the same thing... Well, if it doesn't get you on the first spin, it should still own you by four or five.

But yeah, "Tender Is The Night" is prolly my POO...

rogermexico (rogermexico), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 19:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Three songs are all I need for my Browne fix: "Lawyers in Love" on the political end, "In the Shape of a Heart" for L-O-V-E, and "Running on Empty" for '70s angst.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 19:27 (eighteen years ago) link

i only know the brilliant "lawyers in love" and the excellent "somebody's baby". should i buy a greatest hits or the original albums ?

the albums are pretty uniformly excellent in my opinion all the way up through The Pretender

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 20:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Even his Nicaragua phase has some worthwhile stuff, like Black and White, In The Shape of a Heart and For America.

kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 21:20 (eighteen years ago) link

and "Lives in the Balance"!

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 21:41 (eighteen years ago) link

I will YSI a few song from Jackson's 'Nina Demos' when I get a chance tonight. Songwriter demo album he made in 1967 at, I believe, the age of nineteen. (The original acetate album included his versions of the songs of his that Nico recorded on the Chelsea Girls album.)

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 01:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, darn, my computer is having a hard time reading these CDs. Sorry, guys.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 05:18 (eighteen years ago) link

eight months pass...
i'm deeply enjoying "late for the sky" today: classic!

derrick (derrick), Sunday, 22 October 2006 20:54 (seventeen years ago) link

I listened to last year's Solo Acoustic Volume 1 today in a car: classic!

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Sunday, 22 October 2006 21:09 (seventeen years ago) link

The songs I mentioned upthread excepted, I usually wish Springsteen had sung his songs.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 22 October 2006 22:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Browne's singing is so immeasurably better than Springsteen's that I can only take my hat off to Alfred yet again

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Sunday, 22 October 2006 22:46 (seventeen years ago) link

is Solo Acoustic worth grabbing, then? all i know are LFTS, Running on Empty, and his two 90s 'comeback' records ('I'm Alive' is good; 'Looking East' is less so). i mean to get the 1st album and 'The Pretender' soon.

derrick (derrick), Sunday, 22 October 2006 23:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Springsteen's voice can handle the ambivalences in his songs, which, parodoxically, are usually more attractively stentorian and demonstrative (at least post-Darkness On the Edge of Town) than Browne's, who can't resist poeticizing them into abstractions.

However, Springsteen's Tunnel of Love is his only album to approach the delicate filigrees of "In the Shape of a Heart."

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 22 October 2006 23:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Like, "Breaking the Law"? Sure. "Tender is the Night"? Nope.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 7 May 2023 21:46 (eleven months ago) link

I love that song so much. It made me want to grow up so that I could meaningfully stroke my chin and think baout things, such as being in a sadly doomed romance. Drag racing was not on the agenda. It felt more personal and intimate than its close companion, "Lawyers in Love," which was mixed up with all sorts of Reagan-era apocalypolitical stuff. Whoever made that comment is either deluded or just plan weird.

coolgnoscenti (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 7 May 2023 22:37 (eleven months ago) link

Josh --

That YouTube comment is fairly typical.

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 7 May 2023 22:44 (eleven months ago) link

It's just the cultural version of false memory syndrome, where everything in the past blurs into a fuzz of vague meta-nostalgia.

"Yes, I was born in 1975. Whenever I listen to Billy Joel's 'Keeping the Faith' or Paul Simon's 'Late in the Evening,' I am reminded of how much we enjoyed Sen-Sen mints and the many street-corner doo-wop groups in my neighborhood, and how the cars all had big fins on them. Then we'd go down to the diner, to see if the Fonz was there. Man, that Cuban Missile Crisis sure was something, wasn't it?"

coolgnoscenti (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 7 May 2023 22:52 (eleven months ago) link

still not sure who started the fire tho

coolgnoscenti (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 7 May 2023 22:53 (eleven months ago) link

After all, it was you and me.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 7 May 2023 23:06 (eleven months ago) link

lol

I am reliably informed that you can't start a fire without a spark

coolgnoscenti (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 7 May 2023 23:25 (eleven months ago) link

he's very likeable in the eagles doc

taught glenn frey how to write songs (indirectly, frey was living in the apartment above browne, would wake up to the sound of browne's piano through the floor, listening to browne playing the same verse over and over, 20 times, until he had it down)

corrs unplugged, Monday, 8 May 2023 07:39 (eleven months ago) link

three months pass...

will i ever be able to hear "fountain of sorrow" without bursting into tears

ivy., Wednesday, 30 August 2023 15:25 (seven months ago) link

you've had to hide sometimes, but now you're all right

ivy., Wednesday, 30 August 2023 15:25 (seven months ago) link

thats a great song. lady of the well is the jb track that currently gets me.

nobody respects the chair (Spottie), Thursday, 31 August 2023 00:03 (seven months ago) link

you've had to hide sometimes, but now you're all right

gets me absolutely every time

J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 31 August 2023 01:37 (seven months ago) link

It's a good song.

I can still be undone by "Rock Me on the Water," or even "Tender is the Night."

Pontius Pilates (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 31 August 2023 02:40 (seven months ago) link


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