― Guitarzan, Monday, 24 October 2005 19:29 (eighteen years ago) link
― Duffus Stein, Sunday, 4 December 2005 10:33 (eighteen years ago) link
As for guitar, there's no Hendrix in Rock School. The kids playing guitar don't show any. The best you get is Frank Zappa, mostly because the dean is a Zappa superfan.
― George the Animal Steele, Sunday, 4 December 2005 19:57 (eighteen years ago) link
― aa, Sunday, 4 December 2005 21:10 (eighteen years ago) link
From the Seattle Post Intelligencer, a time ago:
Seattle found itself in a media frenzy last summer when billionaire Paul Allen presented his exuberant Experience Music Project (EMP) to the world. Allen's interactive museum--an ode to guitar great Jimi Hendrix--awed, inspired and had many people shaking their heads in bewilderment over its twisted metal exterior. Some compared the architecture to a squashed tin can, but crowds still came by the thousands to discover the music inside.
Daunted by press reports of waiting lines snaking around the block and back, at first I let EMP do its thing without me. Because I'm hearing impaired, the music world has gone by pretty much without my notice for the past several decades, although I admittedly rocked to Hendrix in person at the 1969 Newport Pop Festival.
...We found ourselves among those shaking their heads at the exterior design of EMP. World-renowned architect Frank Gehry, famous for his use of bold colors and atypical shapes, stayed in character when he molded EMP. Having more of a Bach personality than a Hendrix fetish, Gehry bought several electric guitars when he first came to Seattle and cut them into pieces to study their shapes, colors and textures. These elements were the beginnings of the structure that symbolizes the energy and fluidity of music--and possibly the electric guitars that Hendrix invariably smashed during each performance.
The first impression of the interior of EMP is one of high tech design and almost industrial space. With few visitors at this mid-morning hour, it felt almost cavernous and strangely quiet for a venue dedicated to high decibel rock and roll. After navigating the ticketing area and having our hands stamped concert-like, we entered the celestial, 85-foot high Sky Church that broadcasts to the heavens on the largest indoor video screen in the world. This dramatic reception/performance area is named for Hendrix's vision of a Sky Church where all kinds of people--regardless of age, background or interests--could come together to appreciate music.
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Hendrix has a museum/tourist trap. Nothing like that in Pasadena for Eddie. He might have to die first.
― George the Animal Steele, Sunday, 4 December 2005 21:32 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ric Hamilton, Thursday, 8 December 2005 13:04 (eighteen years ago) link
― Guitarzan, Thursday, 8 December 2005 14:39 (eighteen years ago) link
― George the Animal Steele, Thursday, 8 December 2005 18:02 (eighteen years ago) link
And as for the fuckhead who said Hendrix is somehow less for using "destortion," get one clue moron. Both Hendrix and Eddie used plenty of destortion [sic]. The difference is Hendrix is distorting the power section of a tube amp by just turning the fucker all the way up, and Eddie is distorting the preamp section by carefully tweaking the amp with a bunch of kind of interesting techniques. Neither one is inherently better and neither is inherently bad. They are just completely different.
Eddie's a fantastic player of rock and pop. Hendrix is really a jazz player in the rock idiom.
Chuck Berry kicks both of their asses in many ways.
The real question is if Hendrix had lived to face his demons, would he be a total prick? Alternately, if Eddie had died at the peak of his career, would anybody be talking smack about him now?
So anyway, I am one of the biggest Van Halen fans you'll ever talk to, but I'm still gonna have to go with Hendrix.
― martin m. (mushrush), Thursday, 8 December 2005 18:48 (eighteen years ago) link
― b. bruce, Saturday, 10 December 2005 12:07 (eighteen years ago) link
EVH is the master! Cobain.. worm food.
obviously Cobain was depressed too? YA THINK?
― sheri j, Sunday, 11 December 2005 06:35 (eighteen years ago) link
I've heard this meme before and it's nonsense. Hendrix was a blues and R&B player. His playing comes directly out of that music -- and I don't mean this to be in any way denigrating. But there's hardly a lick of jazz in anything he plays.
As for EVH, well, unlike the kid in Rock School and the minions making after-school trips to guitar center, he actually COULD groove as well. And he could play a really memorable, catchy guitar solo, which is one of my ultimate measures of a guitarist. I'll take Hendrix over him, but I wouldn't want to live in a world without Hot for Teacher.
― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Sunday, 11 December 2005 06:51 (eighteen years ago) link
― George the Animal Steele, Sunday, 11 December 2005 18:53 (eighteen years ago) link
― cutty (mcutt), Sunday, 11 December 2005 19:15 (eighteen years ago) link
― Rocky, Tuesday, 13 December 2005 17:35 (eighteen years ago) link
But otherwise.....yawn.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:18 (eighteen years ago) link
― Italia, Wednesday, 28 December 2005 09:22 (eighteen years ago) link
Wrong. Eddie learned tapping by watching Ace Frehley from Kiss do it first. And it's about the only thing he ever learned.
Van Halen was "discovered" by Gene Simmons. Eddie and Alex recorded some demos with Gene and Paul when Gene was considering replacing Ace and Peter.
Eruption is not that amazing. Get one grip on reality.
― Italia = wrong, Wednesday, 28 December 2005 09:46 (eighteen years ago) link
― the guy above me is an idiot, Wednesday, 28 December 2005 11:42 (eighteen years ago) link
― No, you're an idiot. You idiot! :-P, Wednesday, 28 December 2005 14:45 (eighteen years ago) link
― Italia = wrong, Wednesday, 28 December 2005 14:48 (eighteen years ago) link
Not if you've been in a Guitar Center on kiddie weekends or watched the movie Rock School. Now it's more along the lines of a reason to walk out the door, grit your teeth and suffer it, or reach for the bottle of aspirin.
― George the Animal Steele, Wednesday, 28 December 2005 17:06 (eighteen years ago) link
― Glenn Draper, Friday, 30 December 2005 13:10 (eighteen years ago) link
― Eric, Saturday, 31 December 2005 19:27 (eighteen years ago) link
So, Jimi wins, even though Van Halen in a way was more fun (thanks to his vocalist)
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Saturday, 31 December 2005 22:20 (eighteen years ago) link
TECHNICAL ABILITY:1.) Jimi Hendrix had better technical ability thanks to his enormous fingers which could extend some ridiculous amount of frets that few others can physically accomplish. It wasn't just reach: Jimi was technically gifted in physical mastery of the instrument.2.) Having mastered control of the instrument, Jimi was also technically gifted in mastery of sound and invented or had designed a variety of stomp boxes and gadgets to technically master the sound he was after.
EMOTIONAL PLAYING ABILITY:While this is totally subjective, it seems nonsensical to say that an better emotional player is not also a better technical player. Emotion is about technique and technique is technical. Besides, Hendrix was a better technical player, anyway. He may have sometimes played sloppily for a certain effect, but he could certainly play very clean and precisely WHILE singing. And he didn't just do a bunch of hammer-ons and divebombs.
― Guitarzan, Tuesday, 3 January 2006 06:14 (eighteen years ago) link
― Freud Junior, Third Cousin to Chuck Norris (Freud Junior), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 06:15 (eighteen years ago) link
So,Van Halen
― Sam Langdon, Saturday, 21 January 2006 19:25 (eighteen years ago) link
So, Van Halen.
― Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Saturday, 21 January 2006 20:39 (eighteen years ago) link
― George the Animal Steele, Saturday, 21 January 2006 21:57 (eighteen years ago) link
First of all, you're lying about being able to play "anything all of Jimi's stuff" unless of course, you have a 14" hand.
Secondly, if "technical ability" only = "shit, I can't play that!" then I guess Buckethead must be the greatest guitarist on earth. He has Jimi's fingerspan and he can EIGHT-FINGER tap, which even Eddie couldn't do.
― Guitarzan, Sunday, 22 January 2006 01:31 (eighteen years ago) link
― xgurggleglgllg (xgurggleglgllg), Sunday, 22 January 2006 01:57 (eighteen years ago) link
― Noticer of things, Sunday, 22 January 2006 04:49 (eighteen years ago) link
Look at this poor wretch seahag fucker:
http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20060306/capt.camw12703061102.elton_john_oscar_party_camw127.jpg
― Noticer of Things, Wednesday, 8 March 2006 01:25 (eighteen years ago) link
― George 'the Animal' Steele, Wednesday, 8 March 2006 03:22 (eighteen years ago) link
― Redd Scharlach (Ken L), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 03:28 (eighteen years ago) link
― Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 03:54 (eighteen years ago) link
― Redd Scharlach (Ken L), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 04:08 (eighteen years ago) link
― Vinnie Scarpetta, Wednesday, 3 May 2006 12:46 (seventeen years ago) link
― ZR (teenagequiet), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 12:52 (seventeen years ago) link
― FesterBesterTester, Sunday, 7 May 2006 16:38 (seventeen years ago) link
― Clifford, Friday, 19 May 2006 12:09 (seventeen years ago) link
the rest just looks sadly like boys fiddling. thrusting. needing me to look.
nah. its what you do with it.
― molly (bulbs), Friday, 19 May 2006 12:48 (seventeen years ago) link
― Cody P., Thursday, 25 May 2006 03:25 (seventeen years ago) link
Hendrix played bitchin sex jams,Van Halen plays plastic cheese.
SOUL PATROL!
― Chris Bee (Cee Bee), Thursday, 25 May 2006 03:38 (seventeen years ago) link
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1947917209390029777&q=van+halen
Jimmy:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4980626658551413306&q=jimmy+hendrix+national+anthem
― Chris Jones, Saturday, 27 May 2006 04:45 (seventeen years ago) link
While I personally disagree with the outcome (I love Hendrix and I rarely play Van Halen), I think this is the best answer in the entire thread. I've never understood this need to rate musicians as if they're competing in the Olympics, and comparing the likes of these two is definitely apples and oranges.
For the record, I don't really get into shredding, so I simply can't go with Eddie. If I did though, I woul definitely prefer listing to the likes of Satriani or Vai.
― shorty (shorty), Saturday, 27 May 2006 06:27 (seventeen years ago) link
Innovation: Eddie Van Halen. His style of double hand tapping revolutionized the way the guitar would be played for decades to come. Artificial harmonics, volume swells, whammy screams, even the name "whammy" were all from Eddie. If you throw in the creation of the drop-d tuna, the inspiration for the Floyd Rose patent, and his line of hand-made guitars with the only tone nicknamed in the music industry ( "Brown Sound") this debate was never a debate to begin with.
Influence: Eddie Van Halen again. When Jimi emerged, no one was trying to play like him, look like him, or capture his sound. When Eddie emerged EVERY guitar player tried to play like him. In fact, during the club days, Eddie had to play his solos with his back to the crowd so people like Randy Rhoads, Jake E Lee and George Lynch would not learn his techniques. bettencourt, Rhoads, vai, satriani, Lynch, Beach, Malmsteen, DeMartini,Dweezil Zappa,Dimebag, Kirk Hammet, Zakk Wylde, etc. all tried to play Eddie's style. Some guitar players went further and tried to look like Eddie: Vito Bratta,Warren DeMartini,etc. Today? Green Day, Pantera, Smashmouth, Phish,Weezer, and Pearl Jam are just a handful of bands that have covered VH songs or site Eddie as their musical influence.
Technical: Eddie and not even close. In the words of Zakk Wylde: "Jimi Hendrix would have never been able to play Eruption or Spanish Fly."
Accolades: Yes, Rolling Stone chose Jimi as the greatest RNR guitar player of all time. They also chose Joan Jett over EVH and Randy Rhoads and left Vai and Malmsteen entirely off the list. Getting guitar advice from Rolling Stone is like getting plumbing advice from your dentist. They also had their website shut down after 4,000 plus angry e-mails from EVH supporters. Meanwhile Eddie Van Halen is the only guitar player to be elected in to the Hall of Fame in both Guitar World and Guitar Player. Eruption was listed as the second greatest solo of all time after Stairway. No one was voted best guitar player more than Edward.
Accolades: Blah, Blah, Blah . . .Jimi's emotion and songs were so great. They were so great they he had only one top ten single in his career, A COVER, no platinum albums until a decade after he died, and had him chased to the UK because no American label would sign him. Especially when you were booed opening up for The Monkees. By Van halen's third album, way before MTV started, they outsold Jimi's entire catalog to date. They are the ninth best selling band and the 19th best selling artists of all time.
Any questions?
― Roy Cox, Tuesday, 30 May 2006 17:06 (seventeen years ago) link
Ah, so that's who's to blame
― Chris Bee (Cee Bee), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 17:13 (seventeen years ago) link
Yes, just one. Is your hair long in the back and short on top?
― Uri Frendimein (Uri Frendimein), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 18:05 (seventeen years ago) link
Hendrix might be the better player or better at crafting unique sounds, but Eddie was miles better as a song writer there's easily seven Van Halen albums I would listen to over Jimi's stuff.
― a_little_hello, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 15:06 (eleven years ago) link
Who's a better songwriter is a matter of personal taste. They were both excellent at it. Paul McCartney is something else.
― Alton Wong, Tuesday, 19 February 2013 21:30 (eleven years ago) link
I've never seen Jimi live, only on film and audio sound. A couple of my friends who have seen Jimi live said that when they saw Jimi playing, no one ever went to the restroom, even during break if there was one.
― Alton Wong, Saturday, 16 March 2013 00:39 (eleven years ago) link
Only 3,000 people went to the bathroom during a Jimi Hendrix show, but every one of them avoided a UTI.
― Johnny Too Borad (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 16 March 2013 01:08 (eleven years ago) link
The Beatles are grossly underrated and they have changed music more then anybody. Actually, they seem to have changed everything.
Worst post itt imo.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 1 August 2020 14:30 (three years ago) link
Hahaha the Beatles, one of those great 60s psych pop bands that never really got their due
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 1 August 2020 14:43 (three years ago) link
Thank God for those Nuggets comps or I'd have never heard 'Hey Jude'.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 1 August 2020 14:47 (three years ago) link
That's a troll post if I ever saw one.
― Tōne Locatelli Romano (PBKR), Saturday, 1 August 2020 17:04 (three years ago) link
Eight years ago tho. I have no idea how The Beatles fit into ILM Discourse at the time.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 1 August 2020 17:06 (three years ago) link
great revive
― brimstead, Saturday, 1 August 2020 17:13 (three years ago) link
ffs
― Neanderthal, Monday, 7 September 2020 04:03 (three years ago) link
That pair of posts b4 the revive is pretty gr8
― “Pizza House!” (morrisp), Monday, 7 September 2020 04:07 (three years ago) link
the Van Halen Rising book was great
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 7 September 2020 04:23 (three years ago) link