― jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 23 May 2003 14:57 (twenty years ago) link
― Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Friday, 23 May 2003 14:59 (twenty years ago) link
― kate, Friday, 23 May 2003 14:59 (twenty years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Friday, 23 May 2003 14:59 (twenty years ago) link
Shit, no wonder he went to the crossroads to sell his soul to the devil.
Musicians get taken more to task about violence or unsavory acts listed in their lyrics more so than novelists or people making movies or tv. Every once in a while a writer or movie pushes beyond a certain point that raises hackles, but that line is often times further out than some song lyrics.
― earlnash, Friday, 23 May 2003 15:00 (twenty years ago) link
My argument boils down to: Women & Men have a long history of living together [mostly] peacefullly. Since the beginning of humanity, in fact. It's a pretty fucking complicated relationship, but in a different way than race, and I don't think your comparison upthread was very pertinent.
― Adam A. (Keiko), Friday, 23 May 2003 15:01 (twenty years ago) link
Don't forget Margo Timmons' spin on it from the Junkies cover, "I'm gonna beant my man...".
― Charles McCain (Charles McCain), Friday, 23 May 2003 15:05 (twenty years ago) link
― jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 23 May 2003 15:07 (twenty years ago) link
― Lee G (Lee G), Friday, 23 May 2003 15:09 (twenty years ago) link
― kate, Friday, 23 May 2003 15:14 (twenty years ago) link
I thought it was called "feminism". *ducks*
― o. nate (onate), Friday, 23 May 2003 15:16 (twenty years ago) link
― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 23 May 2003 15:17 (twenty years ago) link
Another point: "boyz suck" is as much of a seld-defense mechanism for females as "gurls suck" is for males, but are there that many female equivalents to "Under My Thumb"? Liz Phair is all that comes to mind...
― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Friday, 23 May 2003 15:20 (twenty years ago) link
Ahh yes, that "Hot White Cum" song comes (pun not intended) to mind...
― Charles McCain (Charles McCain), Friday, 23 May 2003 15:24 (twenty years ago) link
― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 23 May 2003 15:25 (twenty years ago) link
Main Entry: mis·an·thrope Pronunciation: 'mi-s&n-"thrOpFunction: nounEtymology: Greek misanthrOpos hating mankind, from misein to hate + anthrOpos human beingDate: 1683: a person who hates or distrusts mankind
― o. nate (onate), Friday, 23 May 2003 15:31 (twenty years ago) link
― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 23 May 2003 15:33 (twenty years ago) link
The real actual answer I think: it's much more generally accepted (in a pop-sociology way not necc. a scientific way) that there are basic differences between men and women, than it is that there are basic racial differences. So commenting - even negatively - on women as a group seems more acceptable. Also - I'd guess the average straight man is much more likely to find themselves in a one-on-one relationship with a woman (with potential antagonism) which is defined by their different genders than he is to find himself in a similar racial situation.
Or to put it much more simply - there are ALSO far far far more songs by men saying how wonderful a woman (or even 'women') is than there are songs by whites saying how wonderful blacks are.
― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Friday, 23 May 2003 15:33 (twenty years ago) link
I'm beginning to wonder if Liz Phair is a misogynist.
― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 23 May 2003 15:35 (twenty years ago) link
― o. nate (onate), Friday, 23 May 2003 15:38 (twenty years ago) link
And yeah I think it's andry not anthropy cos anthro- = human but andro- = man (By no means intended to be definitive answer though)
― beanz (beanz), Friday, 23 May 2003 15:43 (twenty years ago) link
― ss, Friday, 23 May 2003 15:46 (twenty years ago) link
I'm the Winin' BoyDon't deny my nameI had that galI had her in the grassI had that bitchHad her in the grassOne day she got scared and a snake ran up her big ass
I had that bitchHad her on the stumpI fucked her 'til her pussy stunkI'm the winin' boyDon't deny my fuckin' name
― Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Friday, 23 May 2003 15:47 (twenty years ago) link
― Adam A. (Keiko), Friday, 23 May 2003 15:47 (twenty years ago) link
See, now that just sounds like good clean fun to me.
― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 23 May 2003 15:52 (twenty years ago) link
― Charles McCain (Charles McCain), Friday, 23 May 2003 16:01 (twenty years ago) link
I got nipples on my titties, big as the end of my thumb,I got somethin' between my legs'll make a dead man come,Oh daddy, baby won't you shave 'em dry?Now, draw it out!Want you to grind me baby, grind me until I cry.
Say I fucked all night, and all the night before baby,And I feel just like I wanna, fuck some more,Oh great God daddy,Grind me honey and shave me dry,And when you hear me holler baby, want you to shave it dry.
I got nipples on my titties, big as the end of my thumb,Daddy you say that's the kind of 'em you want, and you can make 'em come,Oh, daddy shave me dry,And I'll give you somethin' baby, swear it'll make you cry.
I'm gon' turn back my mattress, and let you oil my springs,I want you to grind me daddy, 'til the bell do ring,Oh daddy, want you to shave 'em dry,Oh great God daddy, if you can't shave 'em baby won't you try?
Now if fuckin' was the thing, that would take me to heaven,I'd be fuckin' in the studio, till the clock strike eleven,Oh daddy, daddy shave 'em dry,I would fuck you baby, honey I'd make you cry.
Now your nuts hang down like a damn bell sapper,And your dick stands up like a steeple,Your goddam asshole stands open like a church door,And the crabs walks in like people.Ow, shit!Ooh! Baby, won't you shave 'em dry
A big sow gets fat from eatin' corn,And a pig gets fat from suckin',Reason you see this whore, fat like I am,Great God, I got fat from fuckin'.Eeeeh! Shave 'em dry
My back is made of whalebone,And my cock is made of brass,And my fuckin' is made for workin' men's two dollars,Great God, round to kiss my ass.Oh! Whoo, daddy, shave 'em dry
― Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Friday, 23 May 2003 16:24 (twenty years ago) link
― scott seward, Friday, 23 May 2003 16:58 (twenty years ago) link
i say:fuckin' a.
and kate rules. i ditto everything she said. except for the liking AC/DC part.
― praying mantis (praying mantis), Friday, 23 May 2003 17:23 (twenty years ago) link
― praying mantis (praying mantis), Friday, 23 May 2003 17:24 (twenty years ago) link
was Lucille Bogan a hermaphrodite?
― stevem (blueski), Friday, 23 May 2003 17:30 (twenty years ago) link
― Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Friday, 23 May 2003 17:32 (twenty years ago) link
― dave q, Friday, 23 May 2003 17:48 (twenty years ago) link
― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 23 May 2003 17:53 (twenty years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Friday, 23 May 2003 18:00 (twenty years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Friday, 23 May 2003 18:01 (twenty years ago) link
― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 23 May 2003 18:08 (twenty years ago) link
― dave q, Friday, 23 May 2003 18:09 (twenty years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 23 May 2003 18:20 (twenty years ago) link
― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 23 May 2003 18:27 (twenty years ago) link
― Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Friday, 23 May 2003 18:34 (twenty years ago) link
― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 23 May 2003 18:34 (twenty years ago) link
Songs about staring at tits are not misogynistic. They are just gloriously dumb.
― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 23 May 2003 18:39 (twenty years ago) link
in other words, while there are modes of repression that are reserved for women, it has generally been expedient for the white man to exploit nonwhite women as though they were men.
prof. davis offers this only by way of introducing the subject. i think she felt racist attitudes had been deconstructed (in the academy) to the point where thinkers could begin to take on patriarchy (hopefully we are reaching that point as music listeners).
― vahid (vahid), Friday, 23 May 2003 18:45 (twenty years ago) link
The anger & misogyny comes from fear, right? Men are being hurt by women and they're afraid of them. That's what these songs are about. The stakes are higher when love & lust are involved, which is why these pains are so deep & the resulting anger so intense. Comparing this stuff w/ racist lyrics doesn't quite work, I don't think, b/c the hurt that comes w/ love is universal.
― Mark (MarkR), Friday, 23 May 2003 18:49 (twenty years ago) link
― dave q, Friday, 23 May 2003 18:52 (twenty years ago) link
That's pretty fundamental, I think.
― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 23 May 2003 18:55 (twenty years ago) link
― Mike Taylor (mjt), Friday, 23 May 2003 19:00 (twenty years ago) link
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 23 May 2003 19:03 (twenty years ago) link
― vahid (vahid), Friday, 23 May 2003 21:00 (twenty years ago) link
Don't know anything about Scandanavian languages, but I have read an account of how in Louisiana "coquille" (scallop) was used to refer to the female parts, and that this was later shortened to "cock."
― j.lu (j.lu), Saturday, 24 May 2003 22:59 (twenty years ago) link
― vahid (vahid), Saturday, 24 May 2003 23:02 (twenty years ago) link
― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Sunday, 25 May 2003 00:05 (twenty years ago) link
― mast ace (Squirrel_Police), Sunday, 25 May 2003 00:45 (twenty years ago) link
― David Allen, Sunday, 25 May 2003 03:11 (twenty years ago) link
Also, can someone give examples of AC/DC lyrics that display a hatred towrds women rather than just an objectification of them?From memory they're mostly just schoolboy tales of bawdy girls that do to females what (I imagine) mills and boon novels do to males, that is, pretend they're something they're not.
― mei (mei), Monday, 2 June 2003 13:57 (twenty years ago) link
To put it another way many men must be turned on by women who look female but act like men.
How gay is that?
― mei (mei), Monday, 2 June 2003 14:00 (twenty years ago) link
Frank, I don't know if you'll see this, but "misogyny" means hatred of women in general and "Pushin' Too Hard" is a guy annoyed at one particular woman for bugging him.
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 11 November 2005 02:13 (eighteen years ago) link
"...And when I told him I had been untrueHe hit me and it felt like a kissHe hit me and I knew he loved meCause if he didn't care for meI could have never made him madHe hit me and I was glad"
― Zach S, Friday, 11 November 2005 07:15 (eighteen years ago) link
― teeth marks on your tongue (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 11 November 2005 07:17 (eighteen years ago) link
the way "misogyny" gets promiscously tossed around by pop music critics has everything to do w/this.
― m coleman (lovebug starski), Friday, 11 November 2005 12:14 (eighteen years ago) link
― duke of marlboro (mickeygraft), Friday, 11 November 2005 13:46 (eighteen years ago) link
― minna (minna), Saturday, 12 November 2005 06:11 (eighteen years ago) link