The Great Gatsby

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God, the movie was even worse.

The original or the seventies version?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 23 October 2002 21:25 (10 years ago) Permalink

70s version. Haven't seen the original.

― sundar subramanian, Wednesday, 23 October 2002 21:37 (10 years ago) Permalink

I love The Great Gatsby, because of the images (I always think of the first sighting of Daisy and Jorden sitting in that long room with their dresses billowing around them) and the perfect capturing of that slightly bitchy, but not involved enough to be malicious chat.

Fear and Loathing and Great Gatsby - both have large amounts of mint juleps.

― Anna (Anna), Wednesday, 23 October 2002 21:46 (10 years ago) Permalink

4 months pass...

revive! i read it again on the way to dedbeat. am far too tired to post anything about it now, except that it's clearly one of the best books ever; this is just a reminder to myself to post more tomorrow.

― toby (tsg20), Monday, 3 March 2003 01:22 (10 years ago) Permalink

Wow, all the lit topics are recurring lately.

Yes, one of the best books ever. I don't really have anything to add to that.

― thom west (thom w), Monday, 3 March 2003 03:02 (10 years ago) Permalink

I love the Pat Hobby Stories best.

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 3 March 2003 15:13 (10 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

Dillingham is a divil for the books.

― the pinefox, Thursday, 24 April 2003 11:32 (10 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

I don't think I got it properly. I read the end in a hurry when I was v.tired and wanted to finish it before I turned the light out. I was aware that the last few pages were some kind of tour de force, but I wasn't sure what the force quite was. I must read it again.

― N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 5 June 2003 21:49 (9 years ago) Permalink

it isn't about an escape artist.

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 5 June 2003 21:54 (9 years ago) Permalink

A trapeze artist?

― N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 5 June 2003 21:56 (9 years ago) Permalink

I think you understood more than you understand.

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 5 June 2003 21:58 (9 years ago) Permalink

I think I don't understand the American Dream.

― N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 5 June 2003 22:01 (9 years ago) Permalink

I'm digging on the isotopes
this metaphysics shit is dope

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 5 June 2003 22:03 (9 years ago) Permalink

I read an american dream after I read tender is the night.

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 5 June 2003 22:14 (9 years ago) Permalink

I love Gatsby - absolutely love the book. Couldn't tell you why, though. I don't like the characters or the plot line, really, but still I am drawn back into the world that Fitzgerald creates, over and over. And I do think that the closing line is one of the all-time best in American Lit.

― I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Friday, 6 June 2003 03:34 (9 years ago) Permalink

2 years pass...

It's lovely!

― the bellefox, Saturday, 26 November 2005 14:03 (7 years ago) Permalink

best ever, maybe. i should read it again. i didn't like the part of this thread where matt dc said huckleberry finn is boring because it's clearly not boring!

― caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Saturday, 26 November 2005 14:20 (7 years ago) Permalink

a great book, after all, but I remember thinking it was a lot less than they make you expect it to be (maybe that's why it's great, after all)

keep meaning to rerereread "tender is the night"

― RJG (RJG), Saturday, 26 November 2005 14:26 (7 years ago) Permalink

i have one of those black books with the red, white, and blue trim with a few books by fitzgerald in it, the library of america i think is the publisher. i read one of the books but i didn't get it at the time. i can't remember which one it was, maybe the beautiful and the damned. i was too young or the book was too dull.

― caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Saturday, 26 November 2005 14:29 (7 years ago) Permalink

I read two thirds of "this side of paradise", earlier this year

I liked the first third a LOT but not the second third. maybe the last third would have been different, again

― RJG (RJG), Saturday, 26 November 2005 14:32 (7 years ago) Permalink

i remember someone once said it was unfilmable because fitzgerald was daring enough to leave out the 'good' parts that hollywood would seize on right away. seems right on to me.

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Sunday, 27 November 2005 11:28 (7 years ago) Permalink

I'm afraid you're wrong – they did film it.

― Alba (Alba), Sunday, 27 November 2005 11:47 (7 years ago) Permalink

I think this and tender is the night are v. good. Not so much 'The Diamond as big as the ritz and other short stories'.

― jeffrey (johnson), Sunday, 27 November 2005 15:27 (7 years ago) Permalink

that's crazy talk. fitzgerald's short stories are among the most perfect in the genre.

― lauren (laurenp), Sunday, 27 November 2005 16:43 (7 years ago) Permalink

Wow, I still haven't read this. I half suspect I'll go to the grave in this fashion while still recalling obscure Happy Days plot complications. Strange.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 27 November 2005 17:14 (7 years ago) Permalink

What's with all the Huck Finn hate?!?! You people are bananas.

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Sunday, 27 November 2005 18:10 (7 years ago) Permalink

I was aware that the last few pages were some kind of tour de force, but I wasn't sure what the force quite was.

What a great formulation, from N.!

― the bellefox, Sunday, 27 November 2005 19:04 (7 years ago) Permalink

I'm afraid you're wrong – they did film it.

yeah, like three times. what i meant was unfilmable in the sense that it wouldn't make a very good film.

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Sunday, 27 November 2005 23:30 (7 years ago) Permalink

It's a perfect novel: Its structure, its prose (poetic without being either purple or treacly), and characters. in Jay Gatsby, Fitzgerald practically invented what I call the Ronald Reagan archetype: handsome, dense, surface charm, and irredeemably vulgar.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 27 November 2005 23:51 (7 years ago) Permalink

What, you're saying that's not my archetype too? I'm insulted.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 27 November 2005 23:55 (7 years ago) Permalink

david thomson once said that the jack nicholson of the early '70s should've played gatsby - i can see how that could have worked.

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 28 November 2005 00:36 (7 years ago) Permalink

Nicholson projects too much avidity.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 28 November 2005 00:42 (7 years ago) Permalink

What, you're saying that's not my archetype too? I'm insulted.

Is that you in the middle, Ned?

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 28 November 2005 00:45 (7 years ago) Permalink

Hell no, I'm the turkey.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 28 November 2005 00:49 (7 years ago) Permalink

That's what I meant!

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 28 November 2005 00:52 (7 years ago) Permalink

Nicholson projects too much avidity

the later jack does, but i think JN c. chinatown could've pulled it off - gatsby needs to have that spark of obsessiveness, which robert redford couldn't really do.

plus now that i've mentioned it i can't imagine anyone but JN not sounding silly saying "old sport."

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 28 November 2005 01:58 (7 years ago) Permalink

But Gatsby is also a blank; remember that Nick dismisses him thusly: "...an elegant young roughneck, a year or two over thirty, whose formality of speech just missed being absurd."

Nicholson could never pull this off. His penchant for injecting irony into the most commonplace of utterances would give the game away.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 28 November 2005 02:06 (7 years ago) Permalink

Who would've been good? Steve McQueen? Early-60s Paul Newman?

― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Monday, 28 November 2005 02:41 (7 years ago) Permalink

heh, thomson also said gary cooper would've made a good captain ahab!

has anyone seen the 1949 version with alan ladd?

imdb on the 1926 silent version: "No prints of this film are known to survive. Check your attic."

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 28 November 2005 07:25 (7 years ago) Permalink

Raggett's post was funny.

With respect, Alfred, 'thusly' is a 'ly' too far. I am reminded of the Amises' dentist: 'Open widely'!

For a moment I thought that J.D. was saying not that only JN could pull off Gatsby, but that ... only JtN could!

― the bellefox, Monday, 28 November 2005 15:08 (7 years ago) Permalink

His penchant for injecting irony into the most commonplace of utterances would give the game away.

They'd have to have harassed him Kubrick-style, making him say the lines so many times he dropped the Nicholson affectations. Even then, I'm not sure he'd have been the best pick. Redford was reasonable, but the main problem was he looked like he belonged with the prestige and money. Gatsby was supposed to be more suspicious.

― mike h. (mike h.), Monday, 28 November 2005 15:51 (7 years ago) Permalink

JtN would be good as nick carraway.

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 28 November 2005 23:47 (7 years ago) Permalink

Warren B

― Baaderonixx weaves a daisy chain for... SATAN!! (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 10:09 (7 years ago) Permalink

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 10:25 (7 years ago) Permalink

Warren Beatty in that snazzy but sleazy stylee

― Baaderonixx weaves a daisy chain for... SATAN!! (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 10:36 (7 years ago) Permalink

J.D.: yes!

With Tim Hopkins as Gatsby?

― the bellefox, Tuesday, 29 November 2005 12:23 (7 years ago) Permalink

No - with TRACER HAND as Gatsby!

― the bellefox, Tuesday, 29 November 2005 12:24 (7 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

a great book; I started reading this again last night

I went looking for my copy of tender is the night to run through that another (a sixth? a seventh?) time but I must have given it away again (the sixth time? the seventh time?)

must pick it up again today

I read 'the last tycoon' a while back and it read as you'd expect: a touch bitty and piecemeal, not entire

a dizzylingly great writer

― cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 15 December 2005 10:15 (7 years ago) Permalink

The appearance of the phrase “old sport” has me wanting to start an “A Separate Piece” thread somethin’ terrible. Ties-as-belts, Ackley, shopping in Vermont, etc.

But Gatsby: a classic, a masterwork, etc. I had to read it in high school then again for a college course, but haven’t revisited it since. Will have to correct that.

Something interesting that a college prof pointed out when we were studying Gatsby was the fact that Fitz endlessly employed the word “careless” and its variations to describe Daisy.

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 15 December 2005 14:00 (7 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

fitzgerald was a shallow poseur
huck finn is grebt, fools

― gershy, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 07:49 (6 years ago) Permalink

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is how i break it down to an extent

― 乒乓, Monday, 20 May 2013 23:25 (3 days ago) Permalink

so when will Gatsby be musicalized? inevitable, no? propose song titles.

John Harbison's The Great Gatsby, 1999

― Word Salad Username (j.lu), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 01:23 (2 days ago) Permalink

the last few movies i've seen have all been very 'stately, plump buck mulligan came from the stairhead' in their camerawork

i find this claim suspect

― the bitcoin comic (thomp), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 01:43 (2 days ago) Permalink

Also http://northernballet.com/index.php?q=the-great-gatsby

― cougars and sneezers (Eazy), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 01:44 (2 days ago) Permalink

pretty regretful that I never got to see Gatz, hope they revive it at some point. I'd make a trip for it.

― 0808ɹƃ (silby), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 03:28 (2 days ago) Permalink

乒乓's lush descriptions of this though have removed any need I might have had to actually see this movie

― 0808ɹƃ (silby), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 03:28 (2 days ago) Permalink

feel like I will be able to navigate thru both literary & cinematic discourse with only the book and this thread under my belt

― 0808ɹƃ (silby), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 03:29 (2 days ago) Permalink

― 乒乓, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 12:18 (2 days ago) Permalink

^^ i approve of this adaptation, better than the original

― 乒乓, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 12:18 (2 days ago) Permalink

The new Pride and Prejudice and Zombies?

― Word Salad Username (j.lu), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 13:00 (2 days ago) Permalink

Pride and Psyduck

― 乒乓, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 13:06 (2 days ago) Permalink

for whom bellsprout tolls

― you are not a better writer than f. scott fitzgerald. you are not a b (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 13:08 (2 days ago) Permalink

― 乒乓, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 13:10 (2 days ago) Permalink

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