so so i just started doing this paleo diet thing - feels like it should be bullshit. is it?

Just get a juicer, milo. It'll be worth it in the long run. i have afriend who makes all kinds of crazy juices with veg and whatnot and some of them are amazing tonics. She's had this juicer now for at least ten years.

fatty meat existed before agriculture! fish, game meat, etc. Not 80/20 ground beef, I guess, but still fat.

What, besides dairy, is out of a paleo diet? I assume that, even before agriculture, ppl ate certain grains and nuts and fruits as they encountered them else how would we ever have decided to cultivate them?

nuts and fruit are totally paleo jut don't eat too much

That's what I figured. Lots of insects and grubs, too, right?

sure go for it

okay to eat yr neighbours?

i use paleo as a basic foundation for my diet.. but i'm gonna eat beans, quinoa, greek yogurt, steel cut oats, tomatoes and drink booze til i d-i-e

fatty meat existed before agriculture! fish, game meat, etc. Not 80/20 ground beef, I guess, but still fat.

― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, September 20, 2012 11:03 AM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it had fat in it but would be described by todays standards as lean meat, there was no marbled rib eye to be had

What, besides dairy, is out of a paleo diet?

This is kind of my sticking point: life without cheese is a misnomer.

Life w/o cheese is nightmarish and I agree with will. I try to keep grains to a relative minimum calorie-wise and have largely shifted away from bleached flours or white rice and have added quinoa, buckwheat, farro but even those in relative moderation. I no longer eat a lot of beef but when I do it's grass-fed and leaner.

thanks for the new dn

may the movement increase and flourish

sandwich or ice cr?m sandwich

yeah the thing we are working with is def not crazy person strict paleo, its called "practical paleo" iirc. frankly anything that gives me an excuse/reason to make lamb dolmas is aok with me.

and yeah i think the "science" behind this is pretty yeah sure whatever, but the food is good and i feel less crappy after i eat, so

no nightshade vegetables?? kinda shit is that

i sort of run on something like this diet by habit anyway. don't much like bread, not much of a sweet tooth.

and yeah i think the "science" behind this is pretty yeah sure whatever

― O_o-O_O-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, September 20, 2012 12:42 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

u shd read the paleo book, i mean u can yeah sure w/e it but there is a lot of science in there, its written by a researcher, the bibliography is like 20 pages long

man school + stress + indolence has completely scuppered my once-decent dietary habits. so much bad cafeteria food, takeout, and chips and shit.

currently in one of those anxiety loops w/r/t "there are important things you need to do with your free time that are actually very important but for god's sake man you have GOT to clean out the fridge and stop ordering pizza"

haha pizza is so good

i have the Paleo For Athletes book, i should read it one of these days

i moved to the country and theres no delivery is the only reason im able to eat healthy at all

been eating paleo roughly 80% of the time since the end of june, lost 20lbs, more to lose on the way, loving it

i have paleo for athletes, the differences are p subtle, its really for putting together a training regimen for like doing a marathon or w/e where youre looking to be super precise, rather than being for someone who just gets a lot of exercise

man school + stress + indolence has completely scuppered my once-decent dietary habits.

man school will do that to you.

diet fads are the weirdest thing

this idea that every 10 years someone has figured out the BEST way for people to eat... it reminds me of parenting books, every 10 years we've FINALLY figured out how to raise children! lol.

*thinks deeply*

were you guys all on the atkins diet ten years ago serious question

nope, the paleo diet is the only one ive ever tried, the thing that attracted me to it is that its mostly popular w/fitness fanatics rather than people who want to lose weight, and i didnt really need to lose weight but i was interested in eating healthier and getting ripped, so there you go

can you smash bricks with your bare hands yet

of course

yeah basically the paleo way of eating goes really well with my workout habits.

juan atkins diet

To be honest, paleo just seems like a dogmatic version of a normal weight-training diet. Pound of kale + whole roast chicken for dinner? Sure. Eliminating carbohydrates is weird to me, though, I don't think that's good for your body. And eliminating nightshades just sounds like insanity.

were you guys all on the atkins diet ten years ago serious question

I still do this in phases from time to time. Paleo is a more common-sense, sustainable 'lifestyle' diet imo, but when I want to shed a few pounds, Atkins + exercise has proven to be the most effective method for me. ymmv obv

To be honest, paleo just seems like a dogmatic version of a normal weight-training diet. Pound of kale + whole roast chicken for dinner? Sure. Eliminating carbohydrates is weird to me, though, I don't think that's good for your body. And eliminating nightshades just sounds like insanity.

― a whiter shade of paleo (Ówen P.), Thursday, September 20, 2012 1:16 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you can eat tons of carbs just not starches or refined sugars, as for everyone saying this just seems like common sense, interesting to see how the common sense has changed over the years via the popularity of fad diets, i mean like the us government still recommends a shit ton of starches to this day, although less than they used to

not long ago people thought pasta was super healthy cause it doesnt have any fat!

you can eat tons of carbs

mmmmm sweet potatoes

Oh, OK. My Crossfitting friend told me "no carbs" and I was like "you crazy". He looks good, though. Tough.

personally I just try to observe simple rules (drilled into me primarily from my mom, whose father was this guy) - don't eat any processed shit (transfat, junk food, sodas, mass market meat products, etc.), cook at home, eat a lot of veggies (primarily organic produce from the co-op plus our CSA box), meat a couple times a week. that's pretty much it. I walk a mile a day. I do not have a catchy name or rationale for this diet.

xp

Oh, OK. My Crossfitting friend told me "no carbs" and I was like "you crazy". He looks good, though. Tough.

― a whiter shade of paleo (Ówen P.), Thursday, September 20, 2012 1:22 PM (59 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

well carbs often is just used as shorthand for starches, just also like the sugar in fuit is carbs too

so its not like atkins where youre really going for the metabolic response to eating no carbs at all

yeah atkins is trying to shoot ketosis all the time

i do keep to relativity low carb but that's just me

No I understood paleo to be about monitoring your insulin and so forth.

I can't get behind eating so much meat, myself, nor giving up nightshades or legumes. Plus, the rhetoric like "Mbutu tribes in modern day Papua New Guinea surely subsisted on cassava root and yams so these root vegetables are deemed paleo" infuriates me. Honestly I feel like I have more in common with Ted Nugent's "let's kill something + eat it" style than "let's go to the supermarket and pretend we're cavemen" thing. Not knocking paleo, I just can't suspend my disbelief enough to actually try it out

Also pasta is good for you especially when topped with sauce of nightshade and shaved dairy product, welcome to the 21st century

all that mumbo jumbo is like yeah whatever then you start eating this way and feel great and see results in body composition. that's what sold me on it

You only have to give up nightshades if you're sensitive to them - it's kind of an elimination diet thing.

Mr. Jaq and I were in on the initial AOBiome deliveries - it worked well for us as a no soap/no shampoo kind of thing, but didn't really help his eczema.