so so i just started doing this paleo diet thing - feels like it should be bullshit. is it?

I thought the whole anti-beans thing was just because they cause some people gi distress. But, yeah, it seems like bunkum to be anti-beans.

That said, paleo makes a lot of sense in terms of eliminating processed stuff and eating more lean protein.

Fair enough, but "eliminating processed stuff and eating more lean protein" is not so much "paleo" as "every popular diet regimen since 1970"

i ate paleo for a couple months and it was p great i had lots of energy and got ripped, it was really too intense for me to stick with tho, but since then ive ate kinda paleoish, rarely any grains or processed sugar, lots of fruit and green vegetables, only dairy i really eat is in tea or coffee and i put butter on things for sure, i use salt but often ill eat a meal w/o adding any, i cheat more often than when i was going hardcare, have a sandwich or ice cream sandwich w/e here or there, prob my biggest deviation is that i eat a lot of fatty meat, i also drink booze and eat pickled foods and legumes, so it p lax compared to the real thing but its a way healthier diet than before i did paleo

empedocles was a proto-paleo anti-bean crazer & he threw himself into mt etna, which may be a salutary tale for the zealots

i ate paleo for a couple months and it was p great i had lots of energy and got ripped

i ate paleo for a couple months and it was p great i had lots of energy and got ripped, it was really too intense for me to stick with tho, but since then ive ate kinda paleoish, rarely any grains or processed sugar, lots of fruit and green vegetables, only dairy i really eat is in tea or coffee and i put butter on things for sure, i use salt but often ill eat a meal w/o adding any, i cheat more often than when i was going hardcare, have a sandwich or ice cream sandwich w/e here or there, prob my biggest deviation is that i eat a lot of fatty meat, i also drink booze and eat pickled foods and legumes, so it p lax compared to the real thing but its a way healthier diet than before i did paleo

butter and fatty meat are both popular w/ paleo people - unlike Atkins/etc. they're big on fats

x-post - lol

idk I'm inclined to think that paleo is BS but I think that of most fad diets. Eat less, move more. It's not rocket science but it is hard to adhere to.

butter and fatty meat are both popular w/ paleo people - unlike Atkins/etc. they're big on fats

― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, September 20, 2012 10:27 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

atkins loves fat you can eat all the bacon you want, paleo is lean meats no dairy, tho there are a lot of home brew paleo variants out there, but if you read the book fat is def out

idk I'm inclined to think that paleo is BS but I think that of most fad diets.

― (✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Thursday, September 20, 2012 10:28 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

tautology^

xp: I was gonna say that seemed to be exactly backwards

and eat less move more is all well and good but to deny that the human body reacts differently to different types of food is kinda w/e

xxxxp Yeah, lean meats are stressed in Cordain's book but others state that is unsustanable. I found myself craving hamburger when I was living on chicken and salmon and when I started eating beef etc. again I was much happier.

fuck eating less i feel like i eat a shit ton more on paleo xp

Cordain's book is good on the science but Neanderthin is a better guide to doing this.

at first i did eat more fatty meat to kind help me cope with the lack of carbs, but after a month i really have a good balance of lean meats and more fattier cuts at times.

just eat more fancy beets. you'll feel like a million bucks!

ah, should have said I mostly know paleo from Robb Wolf and the Mark's Daily Apple guy, they're both pretty pro-fat

just eat more fancy beets. you'll feel like a million bucks!

I want to try beet juice, but the only way I can find it locally is at Whole Foods, mixed w/ carrot and ginger for $5/12 oz

yeah i mostly know Robb Wolf stuff

its funny how everyone is allowed their own paleo, i guess the idea re fat is that before agriculture fatty meat and butter did not exist, and then in the book theyll tell you abt the metabolic science behind it

livin in you own private paleo

I want to try beet juice, but the only way I can find it locally is at Whole Foods, mixed w/ carrot and ginger for $5/12 oz

lol - now that you mention it, I remember reading this a while back: http://gawker.com/5929716/all-the-olympic-athletes-are-guzzling-beet-juice

i'm not the type that's gonna cut anything out on a permanent basis but i do think paleo is really, really useful for being mindful of your grain intake vis a vis fruits, vegetables, and lean protein.

juicing is generally considered no cool amongst most contemporary fitness fanatics from what i can tell, tho that may vary if youre a competitive athlete

Just get a juicer, milo. It'll be worth it in the long run. i have afriend who makes all kinds of crazy juices with veg and whatnot and some of them are amazing tonics. She's had this juicer now for at least ten years.

fatty meat existed before agriculture! fish, game meat, etc. Not 80/20 ground beef, I guess, but still fat.

What, besides dairy, is out of a paleo diet? I assume that, even before agriculture, ppl ate certain grains and nuts and fruits as they encountered them else how would we ever have decided to cultivate them?

nuts and fruit are totally paleo jut don't eat too much

That's what I figured. Lots of insects and grubs, too, right?

sure go for it

okay to eat yr neighbours?

i use paleo as a basic foundation for my diet.. but i'm gonna eat beans, quinoa, greek yogurt, steel cut oats, tomatoes and drink booze til i d-i-e

fatty meat existed before agriculture! fish, game meat, etc. Not 80/20 ground beef, I guess, but still fat.

― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, September 20, 2012 11:03 AM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it had fat in it but would be described by todays standards as lean meat, there was no marbled rib eye to be had

What, besides dairy, is out of a paleo diet?

This is kind of my sticking point: life without cheese is a misnomer.

Life w/o cheese is nightmarish and I agree with will. I try to keep grains to a relative minimum calorie-wise and have largely shifted away from bleached flours or white rice and have added quinoa, buckwheat, farro but even those in relative moderation. I no longer eat a lot of beef but when I do it's grass-fed and leaner.

thanks for the new dn

may the movement increase and flourish

sandwich or ice cr?m sandwich

yeah the thing we are working with is def not crazy person strict paleo, its called "practical paleo" iirc. frankly anything that gives me an excuse/reason to make lamb dolmas is aok with me.

and yeah i think the "science" behind this is pretty yeah sure whatever, but the food is good and i feel less crappy after i eat, so

no nightshade vegetables?? kinda shit is that

i sort of run on something like this diet by habit anyway. don't much like bread, not much of a sweet tooth.

and yeah i think the "science" behind this is pretty yeah sure whatever

― O_o-O_O-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, September 20, 2012 12:42 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

u shd read the paleo book, i mean u can yeah sure w/e it but there is a lot of science in there, its written by a researcher, the bibliography is like 20 pages long

man school + stress + indolence has completely scuppered my once-decent dietary habits. so much bad cafeteria food, takeout, and chips and shit.

currently in one of those anxiety loops w/r/t "there are important things you need to do with your free time that are actually very important but for god's sake man you have GOT to clean out the fridge and stop ordering pizza"

haha pizza is so good

i have the Paleo For Athletes book, i should read it one of these days

i moved to the country and theres no delivery is the only reason im able to eat healthy at all

been eating paleo roughly 80% of the time since the end of june, lost 20lbs, more to lose on the way, loving it

i have paleo for athletes, the differences are p subtle, its really for putting together a training regimen for like doing a marathon or w/e where youre looking to be super precise, rather than being for someone who just gets a lot of exercise

I agree

And the desire to simplify stuff that isn't simple. More play = better. 'Play' = the same thing for all kids. 'Learning' is always best done the same way, regardless of what it is we're talking about learning. If a child rarely got into any kind of play, you'd be rightly worried - but some kids are little fantasists doing pretend play every minute and wanting adults to join in, and others are more into stuff like figuring out how things work by taking them to bits or helping 'sweep the floor'. (I'm using fraternal twins of my acquaintance as my inspiration here). A lot of researchers claim play is directly crucial to children’s healthy development, others think it's one of many routes to healthy development, or that it comes about as a result of other factors that drive development.

High Maintenance, 'Qasim' very very relevant here
http://vimeo.com/79948720

But Paleos tend to look the other way on vodka (particularly potato vodka, which is free from all associations with gluten) and 100 percent agave tequila (hey, it’s cactus).

Pinterest, in fact, is brimming with Paleo cocktail recipes, like the Paleo Strawberry Daiquiri, courtesy of Paleo Girl’s Kitchen. It is made with organic strawberries, ice, fresh-squeezed orange juice, rum and honey.

An ex started doing this two years ago. She's not rigid, but follows the basics religiously (no bread, no pasta, no beans, hardly any potatoes). You can't find a more skeptical person like me when it comes to this stuff, but she has lost 30lbs and is looking more healthy than I've ever seen her before. It's quite remarkable. She tried loads of diets before and it always failed. This, she says, isn't even really dieting, as in not depriving yourself of things. But her transformation is truly remarkable.

I'm basically on this damn diet out of necessity and I'm not going to lie, there are upsides. But if those foods didn't cause me pain and suffering? I'd eat a fucking pizza once in a while.

Some of the less caveman-obsessed paleo people are starting to come around on some bullshit like 'no legumes.' That's the part of (aside from feeding into questionable intolerance/allergen paranoia - not even gluten so much as nightshades) paleo that never made any sense to me - whatever perceived negatives there are of legumes are cancelled out by cooking the damn things.

paleo parenting? isn't low infant mortality sort of not paleo

the person who runs this blog just followed me on twitter randomly and... i dunno, wau

http://drbganimalpharm.blogspot.co.uk/

I am sitting in a cafe that sells, and facilitates loud conversations about, bulletproof coffee. I'm not sure how I'm going to get along in this neighbourhood.

I don't know about that blogger. An obsession with the exact proportions of various species of bacteria in one's gut as a profound indicator of one's health or lack thereof seems a bit ott.

i read a story on bulletproof coffee on a local news blog and the comments section is making me think there is substantial overlap w/anti-vaccine loons among the bulletproof crowd.

there's definitely a narcissistic crossfit/paleo/antivax nexus out there that reminds me of the "save our precious bodily fluids" guy in dr. strangelove

in knoxville tennessee there is a new "paleo cafe" a 10-minute drive from my parents' place on an unpromising stretch of highway, home to failed thrift stores, a long-standing subway franchise, a CVS and a megachurch. this cafe serves surprisingly good food but shares a wall with a crossfit/lifting situation, so as you're waiting for your avocado and egg served on an almond flour waffle you hear what sounds like a datsun being dropped from a two-story building every 3 or 4 minutes, it's utterly unnerving. "you get used to it" says the waitress. "RRRRAAAAGGGH" says someone from the other side of the wall. "the water's reverse osmosis," she says. "ok."

is this guy nuts or

https://twitter.com/johndurant/status/618795070569852928

scroll down for mentions of erections, tim ferriss

ha. i have a mild but very persistent skin problem (and taking probiotics has tended to help a lot) so im very tempted to try this! it's expensive though.

huh! what a thing

it's funny though i think a lot of stuff like this is basically a work around to actually, you know, eating and living in a healthy manner.

(and, surely, not being overly exposed to antibiotics)

Just use baking soda ftw.

microbiome stuff and the human body is pretty fascinating and seems to open the door to a whole new way of understanding health and nutrition, but it's gonna be the wild west out there with the hucksterism.

the guy who started aobiome is the same guy who started a big ALS research non-profit after his brother died from it

i mean

https://twitter.com/johndurant/status/618855099654373376

oh wait i *think* that's a joke

Mr. Jaq and I were in on the initial AOBiome deliveries - it worked well for us as a no soap/no shampoo kind of thing, but didn't really help his eczema.