seriously wtf is up with them
― Thanks WEBSITE!! (Z S), Monday, 17 September 2012 20:43 (eleven years ago) link
LOL ZS
― la goonies (k3vin k.), Monday, 17 September 2012 21:14 (eleven years ago) link
You gotta....you gotta be raping me
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 17 September 2012 22:32 (eleven years ago) link
And when their eloquence escapes me, their logic ties me up and rapes me.-Todd Aikin
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 17 September 2012 22:33 (eleven years ago) link
Greenwald takes note:
Nothing is more consistent than war propaganda, especially the propaganda aimed at the citizenry of a nation at war by its leaders. It simply never changes, no matter the war or the leaders:
Associated Press, Tuesday:
"US Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said Monday that while he is very concerned about rogue Afghan troops and police turning their guns on US and allied forces, he sees the insider attacks as the 'last gasp' of a Taliban insurgency that has not been able to regain lost ground."
CNN, 20 June 2005:
"The insurgency in Iraq is 'in the last throes,' Vice-president Dick Cheney says … 'The level of activity that we see today from a military standpoint, I think, will clearly decline. I think they're in the last throes, if you will, of the insurgency.'"
― kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 19 September 2012 21:47 (eleven years ago) link
point would be better taken if "never changes" didn't mean "never changes over the course of seven years"
― Mordy, Wednesday, 19 September 2012 22:16 (eleven years ago) link
Can I finish? Can I finish? Can I finish?
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/09/25/3020058/ross-perot-memoir-coming-out-in.html
(I thought there'd be a Perot thread, although I'm not exactly sure why.)
― clemenza, Wednesday, 26 September 2012 02:18 (eleven years ago) link
Stanford/NYU study says of US spin on its drone warfare: "The narrative is false."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/sep/25/study-obama-drone-deaths
― kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 17:37 (eleven years ago) link
Friedersdorf's blog post today worth a read on that front.
― taking tiger mountain (up the butt) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 17:41 (eleven years ago) link
it's a strong post until he gets to the inevitable 'this is why i'm voting for gary johnson' part.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 22:44 (eleven years ago) link
sorry, for sullivan, but: http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/09/killer-robots.html
― la goonies (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 22:53 (eleven years ago) link
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, September 26, 2012 6:44 PM (27 minutes ago)
yup lol
― la goonies (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 23:12 (eleven years ago) link
i mean there's always going to be a 'ok, hold on...' moment when you read even the smartest, most reasonable libertarian, but he ought to at least acknowledge that a gary johnson presidency would have pretty serious consequences for a lot of ppl. a candidate who wants to can social security and medicare doesn't automatically become the savior of the republic just because he doesn't traffic in racist conspiracy theories like ron paul.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 23:38 (eleven years ago) link
has this been posted yet? http://www.salon.com/2012/09/27/hey_left_wing_quit_griping/
― Mordy, Thursday, 27 September 2012 15:57 (eleven years ago) link
Apparently, we are not allowed to celebrate the fact that the attorney general for 12% of all Americans is pretty cool in a few key ways or figure out where that could take us.
gave up reading at this point, does anybody edit anything at all anymore?
Also, hate to pull a Morbs but some of the stuff the left wing is agitated about is kind of "bigger picture" than she is willing to allow.
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 27 September 2012 16:01 (eleven years ago) link
There is idealism somewhere under this pile of bile, the pernicious idealism that wants the world to be perfect and is disgruntled that it isn’t — and that it never will be.
― Mordy, Thursday, 27 September 2012 16:06 (eleven years ago) link
i cannot roll my eyes hard enough
― goole, Thursday, 27 September 2012 16:06 (eleven years ago) link
sooo fucking sick of those kinds of articles one way or another
― goole, Thursday, 27 September 2012 16:07 (eleven years ago) link
Pile of Bile (or POB for short) is an American R&B-based horn section and band, originating in Oakland, California, that has been performing for over 44 years.[1] They are best known for their funky soul sound highlighted by a powerful horn section and precisely syncopated bass-guitar lines. There have been several lead vocalists, the most famous being Lenny Williams, who fronted the band between early 1973 and late 1974, the period of their greatest commercial success.
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 27 September 2012 16:08 (eleven years ago) link
"pernicious idealism." Fuck you, Solnit. Commenter Mazer_Rackham otm.
Always amused by how assuaging one's "moral superiority" is the diagnosis of the non-Dem-lefty, not adhering to one's principles.
Harvey Milk was a politician. Citizens are not in the position to "give people hope" for a living.
― kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 27 September 2012 16:25 (eleven years ago) link
http://crookedtimber.org/2010/11/01/on-not-being-obliged-to-vote-democrat/
― Mordy, Thursday, 27 September 2012 16:35 (eleven years ago) link
The argument I want to establish here is that the decision about whether or not to vote Demcrat (versus the alternative of abstaining or voting for a minor party) is a serious one, which is up to the conscience of the individual voter to make, and which deserves respect from other people whether they agree with it or not. Obviously in making that argument, I’m going to have to venture into a number of unpalatable home truths about the Democrats as they are currently organised (abstract: ineffectual, cowardly, surprisingly warlike, soft-right, generally an obstacle to the development of social democratic politics), but let’s get this clear right up front - voting Democrat might often be the right thing to do in any given case, depending on local conditions; it might even usually be the right thing to do. What I’m not going to accept, however, is that it is always or definitionally the right thing to do.
OTM
― set me on fire RAAAAH (DJP), Thursday, 27 September 2012 16:48 (eleven years ago) link
Dear Allies,Forgive me if I briefly take my eyes off the prize to brush away some flies, but the buzzing has gone on for some time.
Forgive me if I briefly take my eyes off the prize to brush away some flies, but the buzzing has gone on for some time.
i have a feeling i'm not going to like this article
― Thanks WEBSITE!! (Z S), Thursday, 27 September 2012 20:35 (eleven years ago) link
here i thought the allies had already won WW2
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 27 September 2012 21:26 (eleven years ago) link
President Romney would reconsider the efficacy of torture:
In one of his first acts, President Obama issued an executive order restricting interrogators to a list of nonabusive tactics approved in the Army Field Manual. Even as he embraced a hawkish approach to other counterterrorism issues — like drone strikes, military commissions, indefinite detention and the Patriot Act — Mr. Obama has stuck to that strict no-torture policy.
By contrast, Mr. Romney’s advisers have privately urged him to “rescind and replace President Obama’s executive order” and permit secret “enhanced interrogation techniques against high-value detainees that are safe, legal and effective in generating intelligence to save American lives,” according to an internal Romney campaign memorandum.
While the memo is a policy proposal drafted by Mr. Romney’s advisers in September 2011, and not a final decision by him, its detailed analysis dovetails with his rare and limited public comments about interrogation.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/28/us/politics/election-will-decide-future-of-interrogation-methods-for-terrorism-suspects.html?ref=politics
― taking tiger mountain (up the butt) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 28 September 2012 00:30 (eleven years ago) link
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― la goonies (k3vin k.), Friday, 28 September 2012 12:56 (eleven years ago) link
do you really read these stupid articles all day?
these pieces of shit with their "enhanced interrogation" terminology how can they look at themselves in the fucking mirror in the morning? honestly cannot understand it
― Inconceivable (to the entire world) (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 28 September 2012 13:00 (eleven years ago) link
the crooked timber article makes the mistake of assuming that not voting is a neutral action. it's actually the same thing as a vote for 'whoever was gonna win'.
― iatee, Friday, 28 September 2012 13:25 (eleven years ago) link
xxp ppl here like Solnit!
― Mordy, Friday, 28 September 2012 13:28 (eleven years ago) link
i remembered her mansplaining article got a big response
http://www.sam-shepard.com/deadhorse10x.jpg
― Inconceivable (to the entire world) (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 28 September 2012 13:32 (eleven years ago) link
I hope Baldwin beats Thompson In Wisconsin for Senator, and Warren can win in Massachusetts. They could quickly become 2 of the most progressive Dems there
― curmudgeon, Friday, 28 September 2012 16:08 (eleven years ago) link
2-5 they both sell out
― kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 September 2012 16:18 (eleven years ago) link
I knew you'd burst my bubble
― curmudgeon, Friday, 28 September 2012 16:30 (eleven years ago) link
2-5 the first hint they give of not being flawless socialist robots is eagerly seized on by left-wing curmudgeons as proof of their 'selling out.'
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 28 September 2012 17:38 (eleven years ago) link
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
didja think Feingold was a flawless socialist robot?
― kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 September 2012 17:41 (eleven years ago) link
i just mean let's at least give them the benefit of the doubt unless we're given reason to think otherwise.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 28 September 2012 18:04 (eleven years ago) link
ah youth
― kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 September 2012 18:25 (eleven years ago) link
Running for office these days pretty much is selling out.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 28 September 2012 18:28 (eleven years ago) link
no it isn't
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 28 September 2012 18:29 (eleven years ago) link
lol yes it is, people of principle with differing opinions can at least agree that if you run for office you're a sellout, c'mon now man
― Inconceivable (to the entire world) (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 28 September 2012 18:31 (eleven years ago) link
I was being glib. But if you're a progressive sort, working in the private sector for some progressive cause, you're going to have to compromise significantly once you get elected. And even the stuff you don't compromise on you won't get through the DC morass. And really, what prominent politician aside from Carter has left office to go onto something other than a corporate think tank or lobbying firm or something like that?
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 28 September 2012 18:32 (eleven years ago) link
Like, you can mean well, but public office undercuts idealism/independence like nobody's business.
where'd you read that
― da croupier, Friday, 28 September 2012 18:35 (eleven years ago) link
there are hundreds of thousands of people who have run for office without ever having to make a compromise on a single thing they believe in
― iatee, Friday, 28 September 2012 18:35 (eleven years ago) link
Name one.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 28 September 2012 18:35 (eleven years ago) link
well it's hard, cause they never win
― iatee, Friday, 28 September 2012 18:36 (eleven years ago) link
my view has nothing to do w/ those truisms but the conviction that the Donkey Party is 100% DEAD as a vehicle for meaningful change.
xxxxp
― kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 September 2012 18:36 (eleven years ago) link
i think there's a difference between "the current system has made it very difficult to get elected if you're a principled person" and "being elected invariably involves becoming a corrupt pol."
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 28 September 2012 18:37 (eleven years ago) link