ILX 70s album poll - results

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28

points: 497
1st place votes: 1
total votes: 13

THE ROLLING STONES - STICKY FINGERS

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hobart paving (hobart paving), Friday, 22 April 2005 12:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Rolling Stones - Sticky Fingers

"Sticky Fingers," the penultimate entry in the Rolling Stones'
hallowed "middle period" of the late sixties-early seventies, remains
the tightest LP they ever made. While "Exile" has the messy,
double-LP sprawl and "Beggars" a few throwaways, "Sticky Fingers" is
inch-perfect: a note-for-note masterstroke that finds the Stones no
longer channeling the blues, soul, country and early rock 'n' roll
sides they so adored, but instead transcending those genres with a
hazy, drugged-out confidence. From the boozy, Parsons-inflected
country of "Wild Horses," to the desperate Stax-soul of "I Got the
Blues," the Stones not only prove to be the worthy inheritors of the
genres they long parroted; rather, the knowing perfection of these
sides (dare I say?) obscures their sources, rendering them almost
secondary.

by Keith C

hobart paving (hobart paving), Friday, 22 April 2005 12:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Is that the right cover for The Rolling Stones above? I seem to remember reading something about the original having an unzipped fly. I don't know if that was subsequently censored.

hobart paving (hobart paving), Friday, 22 April 2005 12:35 (nineteen years ago) link

27

points: 505
1st place votes: 0
total votes: 18

WIRE - PINK FLAG

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hobart paving (hobart paving), Friday, 22 April 2005 12:38 (nineteen years ago) link

I always kinda heard *Pink Flag* as one long song.
-- Not That Chuck (noemai...), March 2nd, 2004.

as an album, straight through...PINK FLAG. It's just perfect.
-- Gage-o (gcb...), January 8th, 2002.

The typical line is that Pink Flag is the punk rawk record, and that from there on out they get increasingly "difficult." I think though that PF is probably *more* difficult in a sense than CM or (esp.) 154. Perhaps I haven't given it enough time or attention, but half the time when it's on I don't even notice it's there, or the songs just fly by (it having songs < 1 min doesn't help I'm sure). It feels like more of an exercise--"let's make the absolute most minimalist punk imaginable"--than say 154, which to my ears is far more texturally interesting, musically varied, and in a sense beautiful.
-- Clarke B. (clarkeb...), January 11th, 2002.

Actually I was never terribly impressed with "Pink Flag" - for me, it grew increasingly tedious after a dozen listenings. But Wire certainly deserve praise for inspiring Minutemen and (presumably) Minor Threat.

-- Myonga Von Bontee (scottyfield...), March 3rd, 2004.

hobart paving (hobart paving), Friday, 22 April 2005 12:42 (nineteen years ago) link

These are the most depressing blurbs ever! For crying out loud, you can't say anything bad about Radio City. Or Loaded. Or Pink Flag. Those three records alone are a year's worth of listening.

kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Friday, 22 April 2005 13:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Unequivocal praise for Loaded, Lee:

Loaded is their best album

-- nate detritus (n***p*****550...), January 21st, 2004 12:02 AM.

I'm kind of on the fence about VU apart from Loaded which is just sensational.
-- Dr.C (petethane...), July 23rd, 2004 3:16 PM.

Even though Loaded has nothing to do with White Light, White Heat, it's a great soft-rock album.
-- Huk-L (handsomishbo...), February 23rd, 2005 9:01 PM.

The worst song on "Loaded" is still better than the best thing on 99.9999999999999999999% of other albums
-- Dadaismus (kcoyne3...), November 14th, 2003 3:10 PM.

I *always* hated Loaded when I was younger. Maybe I just wasn't old enough to understand it at the time or something, I don't know. It just sounded like coked-up disco-boogie with that bad 70s production, I wanted the noise and the feedback and all that! So I didn't listen to it for years. And then I gave it a chance when I got the box set (perhaps it was the alternate mixes that did it) and I utterly loved it.
-- Ma$onic Boom (masonicboo...), July 23rd, 2004 1:51 PM.

Oh Sweet Nuthin is SOOOOO good. I bet Reed would've ruined it by making it more snarly/less pretty.
-- Shakey Mo Collier (audiobo...), June 1st, 2004 11:37 PM.

"Oh! Sweet Nuthin'" - 'tis good. And Doug Yule's best vocal performance, period. Plus tasty S. Morrison guitar lead. This song's better than anything on 'Sticky Fingers'. Listen to how shit Reed's vocals are on 'Loaded'. In fact, listen to the caterwauling racket that is the "Oh! Sweet Nuthin'" demo on that 'Fully Loaded' dealie. Lou sounds like a cat in heat. Thankfully he didn't sing on the "official" version. Only thing lacking on this track is Mo Tucker on drums.
Am I the only one who finds this song/performance (esp. Yule's vocal) proto-Big Star (say, 'Sister Lovers')? Alex Chilton could've/should've done this one, but, absence of Mo Tucker aside, I think the song is perfect as it is.
-- Kjoerup (s_kjoeru...), November 14th, 2003 10:11 PM.


In what universe is Loaded's greatness disputed?
-- dan. (dan_haa...), February 23rd, 2005 8:21 PM.

Alba (Alba), Friday, 22 April 2005 13:06 (nineteen years ago) link

(also, it placed higher than any other Velvets album - boxed set not included - in the ILM top 100 records poll of 2001.

Alba (Alba), Friday, 22 April 2005 13:08 (nineteen years ago) link

You know, despite sure that it would not happen, I thought 'oh I've actually been included in an album's blog entry'. Then I see that Kate said it, not me!

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 22 April 2005 13:10 (nineteen years ago) link

well i never...

cheers Alba. i'm not exactly convinced, but i am utterly gobsmacked. there's no accounting for taste, i suppose.

Lee F# (fsharp), Friday, 22 April 2005 13:18 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm new here. But good work so far, voters.

danski (danski), Friday, 22 April 2005 13:19 (nineteen years ago) link

I do wish I'd heard like ONE of these albums, haha

$V£N! (blueski), Friday, 22 April 2005 13:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Lonesome Cowboy Bill to thread.

57 7th (calstars), Friday, 22 April 2005 13:30 (nineteen years ago) link

This is now getting interesting, because there are a lot of records that still haven't placed but easily could be in the last 25 or so.

Keith C (kcraw916), Friday, 22 April 2005 13:44 (nineteen years ago) link

26

points: 510
1st place votes: 1
total votes: 12

CAN - TAGO MAGO

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hobart paving (hobart paving), Friday, 22 April 2005 14:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Tago Mago is indeed wicked, apart from Aumgn, which I still think is the sound of Irmin Schmidt farting while Jacki moves furniture around the room.
-- Nick Southall (n.j.southal...), February 25th, 2003.

what's the insane one on Tago Mago? with the ridiculous drum machine passages and the shrieking? I like that one best.
-- gaz (gary.lo...), February 25th, 2003.

The funkiest is also the noodliest (Tago Mago)
-- sexyDancer (jjjjjjjjjj...), May 21st, 2004.

tago mago = higher peaks, wider valleys than ege bamyasi.
-- el sabor de gene (yn...), May 22nd, 2004.

"Tago Mago", "Ege Bamyasi" and "Future Days" are never far from my stereo and despite many, many spins still sound fresh as a daisy.
-- steve (heligolande...), August 21st, 2003.


hobart paving (hobart paving), Friday, 22 April 2005 14:22 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.collectable-records.ru/images/GROUPS/can/tago_mago/front.jpg
and this one for the traditionalists...

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 22 April 2005 14:24 (nineteen years ago) link

"This is probably something I should get over, but I only own one Neil Young CD - partly because I can't imagine listening to another of his albums and not wishing it was this one."

You might want to get over that. After the Gold Rush is an amazing, amazing album, but far from his best. If Rest Never Sleeps isn't in the top five, this forum is broken.

Shakey, Friday, 22 April 2005 14:25 (nineteen years ago) link

and this one for the traditionalists...

Sorry - I don't know much about Can (although I'm intrigued, having seen the results so far) so didn't know that one wasn't right.

hobart paving (hobart paving), Friday, 22 April 2005 14:27 (nineteen years ago) link

x-post

some bad news:

61
points: 296
1st place votes: 0
total votes: 9

NEIL YOUNG - RUST NEVER SLEEPS

Lee F# (fsharp), Friday, 22 April 2005 14:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh it is right. So is mine, it was the original sleeve in the UK.

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 22 April 2005 14:30 (nineteen years ago) link

No! That's horrible!

Shakey, Friday, 22 April 2005 14:31 (nineteen years ago) link

As for albums, I would say "Velvet Underground & Nico" and "Velvet Underground" are the ones that contain most great songs, while "Loaded" is the only one that contains nothing that is so totally unlistenable it has to be skipped every time.

er... "lonesome cowboy bill"?

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Friday, 22 April 2005 14:38 (nineteen years ago) link

25

points: 513
1st place votes: 0
total votes: 18

DAVID BOWIE - LOW

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hobart paving (hobart paving), Friday, 22 April 2005 14:41 (nineteen years ago) link

far too low

willem (willem), Friday, 22 April 2005 14:43 (nineteen years ago) link

The only Bowie album I own.

peepee (peepee), Friday, 22 April 2005 14:45 (nineteen years ago) link

i can't remember where i put 'Low', but i bet it was lower down than this. even so, i would have expected other people to put it higher, so i'm a little surprised. mind you, i was a little surprised that 'Station To Station' wasn't higher, too.

Lee F# (fsharp), Friday, 22 April 2005 14:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Low is one of my life-changing records as well. I was completely mental for the live half of Still by Joy Division and then I bought this record. I tried very hard to like it at first, and I just could not get my head around it. I let it sit on the shelf for about 6 months and then I broke it out again and it just clicked. I used to play Warszawa at top volume every morning when I got ready for high school for about a semester in 11th grade. I can only imagine what my parents must have thought, they could have had a football player and instead they got this weird kid who blasted 70's ambient from a 130 watt stereo at 6:45 in the morning.
I still listened to Still all the time, but this is when Bowie, Eno and Kraftwerk started creeping into my listening. I really lived in those records during high school. I think it is a real mistake to take sides in regards to this record. This record is about escape, the entire theme of it is that your life is a mess, and the entire record is a sequence of events. It isn't just a collection of well-sequenced tracks; it is an aural narrative.

Speed of life is the intro; it sets the mood.

Breaking Glass is the first vocal track and it starts the theme of alienation and romantic disconnection. Rather than using an ice cream parlor for milkshakes cold and long, or the dream car twenty feet long, he makes the first use of the bedroom as a symbol for isolation. The lyrics are so abstract but you know exactly the feeling he is trying to convey. Rather than using elaborate lyrics to express an idea, situations become less defined and the sound is what communicates the emotion. This definitely ties into Eno's theory that lyrics in rock music are nothing but decoration, and that the real message is timbral.

What In The World is track three and this time the mood switches from agitation to extreme euphoria. The euphoria is not a healthy, genuine happiness, but more like the upward pendulum swing of bipolar disorder. The paranoia and claustrophobia of Breaking Glass is still lurking in the background, but it is submerged in the lyrics, not the delivery. The desire is there, but somehow the connection cannot be created.

This theme would make sense because Bowie's marriage to Angela was breaking up, and he went to Berlin to kick the cocaine addiction he had picked up in LA during the Thin White Duke period of his career.
Bowie has said that at the time he was confused and internally divided, so Berlin in 1976, a divided city, was the most logical place to live.

Sound And Vision is track four and it takes the upward mood swing to its highest point. It is the closest thing this album has to a super pop hit, and even at that it fails. Again, it uses the symbol of bedroom as symbol of isolation, but it makes you wonder if this is a set of chemicals talking, or perhaps really a come down? Has this person just accepted his place? Is he coming to terms with the situation? Perhaps the character is simply found solace in art, for a brief time at least. Although the mood is relatively up, it is still very emotionally ambiguous.

Always Crashing The Same Car is the lowest point on Low. The image of tearing though a parking structure is a metaphor for reckless, perhaps even suicidal behavior. It also echoes the central image of enclosed, stifling spaces. The track title refers to repeated failures in life, in the context of the album, repeated failures at real emotional connection. The emotional pendulum has swung the other way to nearly suicidal depression. The vibe is stark and brooding, it is recognition.

Be My Wife is number six. Most people think that this is a love song, but this song has absolutely nothing to do with a healthy emotional relationship. This is the sound of desperation, of clutching at straws. This is like love as an emotional high, a means of escape. The music is up, but the lyrics and vocal delivery are that of a desperate man. No matter what the long-term consequences of his actions are, he needs deliverance at this very moment. Anything to escape.

New Career in a New Town is the final track on side one. The music suggests hopeful optimism and movement. I always think of the pistons of a train when I listen to the bassline of this song. It has no lyrics, and it introduces the next side as the second part of this person’s life. It is more ambiguous but no less emotional.

The ambient half of the album follows a more linear trajectory. It starts out with the sublime quarter note octave pulsation of Warszawa, and the mood declines from there. Although Warszawa is the more obvious cut, Art Decade is the better track. It is subtler and a bit darker. Whatever relief the protagonist found in travel and the anonymity of a new life, the magic is starting to fade. The mood continues to decline into madness by the end of Subterraneans.

Was Bowie dragging in his fears of potential madness into the end of the album? Did he use the abstract nature of the lyrics and synthetic timbres on the second half as a vehicle to express the disassociated and incommunicable nature of mental illness? Was he expressing his personal fears of being schizophrenic like the older brother who introduced him to music in the first place?

I don't know, but it does give this album an interesting perspective. This is one of the few records I can say that I have truly lived in. I am not exactly sure what that says about me, or the frame of mind I was in during the later years of my teens.


-- Disco Nihilist (current31...), October 16th, 2003.

Rank David Bowie

Here is my ranking:
1. Low

-- Geir Hongro (geirhon...), November 4th, 2003.

I'd have to say that my favorite Bowie album would be Low because it has such classics as "Always Crashing in the Same Car", "Speed of Life", and "Warszawa

-- Innocent Dreamer (deethe_downspamdown_lurke...), June 26th, 2003.

Lodger is brilliant and almost Bowie's best although ultimately I think Low pips it to the post

-- pj proby (pjprob...), February 1st, 2005.

I never listen to it as a whole, despite playing it on cd. It's either one or the other. I'd dip into selected tracks on a lot of albums - but this one is different, because I'd only ever be intersted in hearing one particular set of tracks or the other.
I think I prefer side 1. On side 2, Warszawa dwarfs the other ambient tracks in terms of beauty. But the first half has a handful of short, sharp shocks which i thoroughly enjoy. After hearing those, i don't have the patience for the slower tracks. but if i'm in the mood for something less kinetic, they'll more than suffice.

this is the only bowie album i'd listen to, tbh.

-- kilian Murphy (kilian.murphy2...), October 15th, 2003.


One of two records which actually did change my life. I need say no more.
-- Marcello Carlin (marcellocarli...), October 15th, 2003.
One side is a pop record, the other a film soundtrack. Taking sides: chalk or cheese? Then again, I suppose you could say that Sides One of Low and Heroes, put together, would be the most fantastic Bowie pop record ever made, and that Sides Two of Low and Heroes would be... a fairly average prime period Eno ambient release.
-- Momus (nic...), October 15th, 2003.

Side 1 is one of Bowie's best ever, but I still choose side 2, which is one of the most beautiful pieces of instrumental music ever recorded.

-- Geir Hongro (geirhon...), October 15th, 2003.

Sides two of "Low" and "Heroes" put together would have been the best electronic album ever, dwarfing all of Eno's other work, including the rather decent "Another Green World"

-- Geir Hongro (geirhon...), October 15th, 2003.


hobart paving (hobart paving), Friday, 22 April 2005 14:57 (nineteen years ago) link

I wonder if this will be the last Bowie album in the poll. Right now by my feeble calculations, he's in the lead for most albums in poll with 4. Next comes Big Star, Wire, Can and Neil Young. Is this right?

kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Friday, 22 April 2005 14:59 (nineteen years ago) link

24

points: 521
1st place votes: 2
total votes: 17

JONI MITCHELL - BLUE

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hobart paving (hobart paving), Friday, 22 April 2005 15:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Pleasantly surprised at this.

57 7th (calstars), Friday, 22 April 2005 15:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Alternate Blue?

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 22 April 2005 15:09 (nineteen years ago) link

oh, fuck joni mitchell.

those contrarian pink flag blurbs=INEXCUSABLE!

Pink Flag Tago Mago and Low should've been 1, 2 and 3!

latebloomer: venting el pissyranto (latebloomer), Friday, 22 April 2005 15:10 (nineteen years ago) link

I guess this means Hejira isn't going to place.

whenuweremine (whenuweremine), Friday, 22 April 2005 15:14 (nineteen years ago) link

OK, so Neil and Bowie are tied with 4 each. THen comes a glut with 3 including Wire, Big Star, Miles, Parliament/Funk and Can. Perhaps Mr. Eno will be getting his third soon...I'd be shocked, SHOCKED if Warm Jets failed to make list.

kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Friday, 22 April 2005 15:16 (nineteen years ago) link

I know that I'm saying this too early, but right now...

ILM TOP 100 of the 70s >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pitchfork Top 100 of the 70s

It all depends on how T.E.E., M.M, U.P. and M.B./S.E. perform, though. (I abbreviated to avoid spoiling for some)

poortheatre (poortheatre), Friday, 22 April 2005 15:26 (nineteen years ago) link

I really should have attempted to write a proper blurb for this, because its my favourite. album. ever. and so deserves something more than random spraffle. Anyway, here goes..

This isn't a perfect album. It sags in parts, and flows in others..occasionally it becomes mawkish, and unashamedly sentimental and Joni's voice wobbles around like an octopus on a unicycle. Despite, or perhaps because of this, its still the most played, and most loved, album in my collection.

This is how Joni is, this is how life is, happy and sad at the same time; raw, sometimes difficult, perhaps just slightly unhinged - in the nicest possible way. From the moment she starts singing about wanting to shampoo her lover, and the frying pan being too wide, you know you're listening to something deeply personal, and individual. Yet despite this, there's a passion, a deep sincerity and, above all, an utter, harsh, honesty here that tempers the sentiment, and makes it bearable, and recognisable, and makes it feel like somewhere you've been, and are, and will go again.

For me, the stand-out track is "A Case Of You". The opening lines -

"Just before our love got lost, you said 'I am as constant as a Northern Star'
and I said 'constantly in the darkness, where's that?
If you want me I'll be in the bar".

- encapsulate what I love about Joni. There's the simultaneous romanticism and cynicism that she reflects upon at length in the disturbingly direct "The Last Time I Saw Richard". On the one hand, she's scared of being hurt again, on the other, she's desperate to stay open to it all, and the harsh words and the distance are only there to cover what she's afraid of showing. Sure enough, she goes and sits in the bar, the TV screen light playing on her face, and draws his picture on a beermat.

Other albums dress her directness up with flourishes and more lavish instrumentation. Blue is bare by comparison - just her and an accoustic guitar (plus a piano in "River"). Nothing is prettified, and the impact is stronger, and the connection more complete. Sure they're stories, but to my mind nobody ever told stories in quite such a compelling manner. And they're the best ones she ever told.

hobart paving (hobart paving), Friday, 22 April 2005 15:26 (nineteen years ago) link

those contrarian pink flag blurbs=INEXCUSABLE!

Pink Flag Tago Mago and Low should've been 1, 2 and 3!


-- latebloomer: venting el pissyranto (posercore24...), April 22nd, 2005.

I posted what I could find, given that searching ILM is pretty slow at the best of times, and it is slowing putting the poll results up consideratly. If you don't like them, please find some more to your liking and post those here.

hobart paving (hobart paving), Friday, 22 April 2005 15:31 (nineteen years ago) link

23

points: 546
1st place votes: 1
total votes: 19

BRIAN ENO - HERE COME THE WARM JETS

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hobart paving (hobart paving), Friday, 22 April 2005 15:35 (nineteen years ago) link

"Maybe it's the blistering solo in "Baby's on Fire", or the what the
fuck-ness inherent in the lyrics of song titled "Needles in the
Camel's Eye". Shit, maybe it's some perverted subconscious intrigue
in the golden showers imagery on the cover and in the buried vocals of
the title track. But probably it's just the brilliant songcraft, as
far as I can tell, unmatched by any other artist in an era when great
music was coming from all over the world. I didn't hear any Brian Eno
music until last year when I bought the remastered discs; now I'm
listening to Here Come the Warm Jets at least twice a week
religiously, something I don't see changing. Taking Tiger Mountain
and Another Green World are brilliant in their own right, but there's
something in HCTWJ, from the first time I heard it, that keeps it on a
level the other two just can't quite touch. I think it's the sound of
musical advancement that must have made it even more awesome to an
audience in 74. That the record still holds endless appeal to a
punk-ass American undergrad stuck at a shitty state school in central
Pennsylvania tells me that, beyond just being a seminal record for
genres like ambient, post-punk and new wave, it's still accessible and
still fucking awesome."


Jared

hobart paving (hobart paving), Friday, 22 April 2005 15:35 (nineteen years ago) link

(x-post: consideratly = considerably)

hobart paving (hobart paving), Friday, 22 April 2005 15:39 (nineteen years ago) link

sorry, no way is that album better than AGW. And Before and After Science is still yet to come, yes?

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Friday, 22 April 2005 15:49 (nineteen years ago) link

a little conversation on the cover on my blog:

1. Isn't this the most horrid cover in the history of recorded music?

2. Wouldn't the still life without the framed photograph and without the "Eno" writing in rainbow colours be just about ok?

3. Doesn't Brian Peter George St John le Baptiste de la Salle alias Brian Eno look like a certain Christa Päffgen from Cologne aka Nico on the photo?

place your comment!

nonightsweats, Thursday, 5. August 2004, 00:18
1. no, it's easily the best cover ever made.
2. no, it would make it worse.
3. yes, he does indeed.

when i first saw the cover i thought it was a band called End and didn't realize until later that it was the new Eno album i was desperately looking for.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Friday, 22 April 2005 15:55 (nineteen years ago) link

by the way there seem to be covers with different colour schemes. on mine the dry plant on the left is blue and "ENO" in the top left corner is in yellow and light blue with a pink three-dimensional relief shade.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Friday, 22 April 2005 16:16 (nineteen years ago) link

by the way there seem to be covers with different colour schemes. on mine the dry plant on the left is blue and "ENO" in the top left corner is in yellow and light blue with a pink three-dimensional relief shade.

to get an idea of one possible meaning of the title look closer at that small 8 of spades in the middle part below eno's framed portait with the policeman and the crouching woman. couldn't find a bigger image of that though i am sure it must be out there somewhere.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Friday, 22 April 2005 16:20 (nineteen years ago) link

i hope hejira places high, but i wouldn't be surprised if it didn't place at all.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Friday, 22 April 2005 16:56 (nineteen years ago) link

hejira should either be top spot or not place at all. everything else is unacceptable. these bloody dichotomies always. stronger than me.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Friday, 22 April 2005 17:08 (nineteen years ago) link

by the way did keith jarrett's sun bear concerts get any votes, hobart?

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Friday, 22 April 2005 17:10 (nineteen years ago) link

no Fela Kuti?

jmeister (jmeister), Friday, 22 April 2005 18:29 (nineteen years ago) link


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