2008 USP(G)ET pt. II: counting the days to 2012 primary thread 1

Central FL is apparently where the big non-cuban hispanic growth is

the Disney vote.

http://i.realone.com/assets/rn/img/0/1/0/4/16854010-16854014-slarge.jpg

http://democraciausa.org/en/releases/democracia_usa_launches_2008_central_florida_hispanic_voter_project/

I saw similar protesters at another obama speech, they didn't seem to have a very clear idea of what they were talking about. they started protesting, got shouted down, and obama quieted everyone down and let them ask a question. they asked why he didn't do anything for blacks and was silent about katrina and he then kindly, methodically tore their question to shreds.

Haha, nice. How did they react?

they just went silent. I saw this on youtube about a month ago. they were barely able to ask the question they claimed to have which made me think they'd been placed there by someone.

I grew up in central Florida (Boca Ciega Bay represent) but I've been gone for 20 years now; when I lived there it was demographically like Michigan, but way older.

http://michaelwarns.com/

Also this: http://www.michaeldefeatssatan.com/

When America gave women the right to vote. How? Because they out number men 40 to 1

Kinda neat:

http://www.sciencedebate2008.com/www/index.php

A queer lefty gives up on the Dems:

http://gaycitynews.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=20127506

In Election 2008, the Democrats are almost more Republican than the Republicans I wouldn't vote for in '88 or '92, '96, '00, or '04.

They are promising, for example, to dump way more money than Bush into faith-based programs that will not only erode the church-state divide, but strengthen anti-choice, anti-gay forces. In a careful and deliberate campaign strategy to court conservatives, LGBT folk have already been shoved to the back of the bus in favor of highlighting homo-hating evangelicals. Positive statements about abortion have reportedly been withdrawn from the websites of many Democratic candidates....

I quit. As they say, "If all you ever do is all you've ever done, then all you'll ever get is all you ever got." And sometimes less.

I can't be blackmailed any more that a certain candidate will spell the actual end of the world. Admit it. The Bush administration wouldn't have been so destructive if not for the Congress members of both parties that were complicit at every step. And two years ago, when Democrats claimed the majority in both Houses, they could have brought the Bush administration to a complete standstill. The Republicans did it to Bill Clinton. But with the Democrats, it was pretty much business for Bush as usual.

We'll only get more of the same if we continue to vote for them, however reluctantly.

Well that's a moronic attitude.

They are promising, for example, to dump way more money than Bush into faith-based programs that will not only erode the church-state divide, but strengthen anti-choice, anti-gay forces

link?

there isn't one.

"link?" is the most dumbass of Gen Y perpetual questions. Write her.

in dr morbius' day they hadnt even invented the footnote

Well that's a moronic attitude.

If you support, say, gay marriage, and political party doesn't, it's moronic to...not vote for that party's candidates? Can somebody tell me what the hell is going on? Midge, help me out here.

obama is the most progessive candidate i can think of on gay-rights issues. in, uh, ever. and giving money to 'faith-based' charities and other organizations isn't really all that bad an idea. but sure dont let that stop you.

morbius, if you're going to go ahead and post half-assed invective containing half-truths and lies, please don't be a fuckbag when someone asks you to back up your sources. i know it's your "thing" to keep pretending that mccain-palin is somehow the exact same thing as obama-biden because lol u r old and u seen it all but seriously grow up.

Re: the science questions Ned linked to: I quoted (unadmiringly) McCain's answer on the space question upthread. To me it seems that neither set of answers are particularly impressive, tbh. (Although, while I know a bit about science policy in general, I'm far from an expert on how it works in the U.S., so take that with a pinch).

In other news, hackers at it again:

http://www.theonion.com/content/files/images/Obama-Deletes-Inbox_redo.jpg

I wonder if the church in my neighborhood with the humongous rainbow flag out front will get any faith-based grants.

http://www.queerty.com/queer/kellyjeanH.jpg
fyi the chick who wrote that article doesn't think "mccain-palin is the exact same thing as obama-biden":

McCain did what 18 million women couldn't. By choosing Sarah Palin to run as VP, he got Obama and the Democrats to retrieve women from the shit heap where we'd been dumped. Thank you, Mr. McCain, for your unintentional service to America, and challenge to Democratic Party misogynists. Without your nomination of Sarah Palin as VP, advocating abortion and progressive Supreme Court nominations would once again be women's only visible roles. Fall in line, the Dems blackmail us, or you'll lose the little you've got. The only real issue for women, half the American population, is apparently reproduction. Since McCain nominated Palin, it's been ever so slightly harder for Obama's attack dogs to continue to dismiss disgruntled Hillary supporters as divas, McCain plants, or simply nuts - i.e., go back in the attic where you belong, madwomen. Suddenly our votes count, and attacking us endlessly means risking that women like me will either vote for McCain and Palin, or just stay home. Every misogynistic sneer, every suggestion we females stick to questions of female plumbing tells us Democrats don't give a crap about what we think, and that we're not seen as a valuable part of the economic and social recovery of the United States.

And the Democrats have burnt plenty in the name of unity. Trying to force Hillary out of the race when it had just begun. Making us fight for a roll call to register the votes she won. Resorting to nomination by acclamation.

That's not unity. It's a tyrannical attempt to erase dissent, and above all, erase women. Women of all races. It was a black woman, Sheila Jackson Lee, who Obama told to get over it. Party Unity My Ass. What Democrats were aiming for was victory, sheer domination over Hillary. Like when one wrestler has the other down on the mat with their arm twisted out of their socket and their legs broken in several places.

Confronted with that, Sarah Palin is a better role model for young women and queers, despite her conservative social views, than the likes of a retooled Michelle Obama. Palin took on the corrupt Republican establishment in her state. She defeated oil companies. She may wear go-go boots and drop litters of babies, but she's a fighter.

Remember what that is? Queers don't. In this election, the Log Cabin Republicans have been totally invisible. And queer Dems have been reduced to jumping for joy because Mrs. Obama turned up at an LGBT delegates luncheon.

You can take my uterus and shove it.

"link?" is the most dumbass of Gen Y perpetual questions. Write her.

― Dr Morbius, Friday, September 19, 2008 6:59 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I am Generation X, probably as old if not older than you are. when you cut and paste stupid shit on the internets like others have said, i expect you to be able to back it up.

The science replies are pretty anodyne for both sides, although being a STEM guy I thought the Obama repeated stress on STEM education was good.

also LOLOLOLOL @ obama inbox, esp Jimmy Carter
well done onioneers

and schef, as for me saying Bam and McCrazy are "the exact same thing" -- LINK???

Cynthia McKinney, for those of us who don't have to vote "in the real world":

"here are a few things that I think the Democratic-led Congress could work on now instead of adjourning:

1. enactment of a foreclosure moratorium now before the next phase of ARM interest rate increases take effect;
2. elimination of all ARM mortgages and their renegotiation into 30- or 40-year loans;
3. establishment of new mortgage lending practices to end predatory and discriminatory practices;
4. establishment of criteria and construction goals for affordable housing;
5. redefinition of credit and regulation of the credit industry so that discriminatory practices are completely eliminated;
6. full funding for initiatives that eliminate racial and ethnic disparities in home ownership;
7. recognition of shelter as a right according to the United Nations Declaration of Human Rights to which the U.S. is a signatory so that no one sleeps on U.S. streets;
8. full funding of a fund designed to cushion the job loss and provide for retraining of those at the bottom of the income scale as the economy transitions;
9. close all tax loopholes and repeal of the Bush tax cuts for the top 1% of income earners;
10. fairly tax corporations, denying federal subsidies to those who relocate jobs overseas repeal NAFTA."

http://www.counterpunch.org/mckinney09192008.html

Have a nice election, y'all. I grow fatigued.

and i predict you will post again some dumb shit by the middle of next week if not sooner

I'm gonna go shove a uterus

obama is the most progessive candidate i can think of on gay-rights issues. in, uh, ever.

Nader supported gay marriage (in 2000, 2004, 2008) and didn't hide behind that "state's rights" cop-out like Obama is (the irony of which is kind of fucking tragic).

good to see cynthia mckinney and ron paul are on the same page

Nader supported gay marriage (in 2000, 2004, 2008) and didn't hide behind that "state's rights" cop-out like Obama

What does LaRouche think, though?

"candidate"

"candidate"

"recognition of shelter as a right according to the United Nations Declaration of Human Rights to which the U.S. is a signatory so that no one sleeps on U.S. streets"

wtf, McCain thinks you should sleep on the grass instead, it's softer

Dave Barry ran for president a couple of times too.
If only Colbert could have gotten on the ballot this year.

(that Obama inbox from http://www.theonion.com/content/news/obama_deletes_another_unread

"I usually get excited when I see that I have one unread message," Obama said. "I think that maybe it's something interesting or important, but then I see it's another MoveOn e-mail and my heart just sinks. It's like getting nothing."

Obama has deleted approximately 25 e-mails from MoveOn.org in the past two months. In addition, Obama's junk folder contains nearly 60 messages from various MoveOn employees and members whose e-mail addresses Obama has previously flagged as spam. Perhaps most telling of his recent frustrations, Obama's mail records confirm that, in April 2008, he replied to a MoveOn.org e-mail entitled "10 Things You Need to Know About John McCain" with the message "Shut up.")

speaking of which, have we covered Bob Barr suing to get Barack and John's names off the Texas ballot?

somewhere, yes

morbius, i don't have a link to you saying a thing like that, it's just a general impression you give to EVERYONE ON ILX that you dislike both candidates and don't see either having an advantage over the other. if this is an unfair representation, then you maybe should consider some things that you say more closely? your world-weary "dems and repubs are the same thing" attitude that you've very clearly had all over ilx for as long as you've been here arguing endlessly with the 'nebb is spilling over to your presidential attitudes, perhaps inadvertantly.

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also nader = suggest ban

perhaps inadvertantly we should take that suggest ban and shove it like a uterus

what is it with you and the uterus today

if you're voting for nader or mckinney because of gay rights you might as well write in paul lynde

http://www.lifeinmayberry.com/2003_10_31_BabySuperman01.jpg

Morbius should write-in George Saunders

http://www.newyorker.com/humor/2008/09/22/080922sh_shouts_saunders?currentPage=all

"Except for the considerable symbolic value of supporting the first African American nominee for president, the only reason any member of the left would vote for the Democrats is because they're up against the party of Abu Ghraib, the Iraq War, Pat Robertson, overt abortion bans, overt social control, and disastrous financial deregulation that McCain promises to introduce into health care, dismantling even the employer-based coverage most Americans rely on."

the only thing I will have for lunch today will be a salad, cheeseburger, fries, shake, cookies, and apple pie.

shove it like a uterus

Follow-up single to "Lollipop"?

Shorty wanna shove.