I am beginning to become scared that Romney/Ryan will win. Can smart people please post here and say reassuring things to convince me that he won't?

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He's basically not very good at executing the ideas.

Legendary General Cypher Raige (Gukbe), Sunday, 9 September 2012 01:15 (eleven years ago) link

you still seem to have no clue about what i believe beyond your conviction that i'm the strawman obama groupie you think everyone on ilx is
― Mordy, Saturday, September 8, 2012 4:56 PM (4 hours ago)

Hear, hear. Having been caricatured on here as a gossipy political horserace junkie, even though I seem to pay attention to the same things most everyone else does (and conceding that there's some truth in that, as there is in most caricatures), I know what a drag that can be.

clemenza, Sunday, 9 September 2012 01:16 (eleven years ago) link

Romney joined Republican Virginia Senate candidate George Allen in serving hotdogs to fans under a tent at the Richmond International Raceway, and hundreds passed through asking for autographs and offering Romney words of support.

Romney struggled to connect with blue-collar fans of NASCAR at the Daytona 500 event in February when he said he had "some friends who are NASCAR team owners."

The comment opened the former private equity executive to criticism that he was out of touch with ordinary voters.

On Saturday, a driving rain delayed the Federated Auto Parts 400 NASCAR Sprint Cup Series race and sent most of the fans running for cover.

When asked who his favorite driver was, Romney responded: "There's a lot of drivers I like."

if markers existed (buzza), Sunday, 9 September 2012 01:20 (eleven years ago) link

i think republicans think they're doing some sneaky 'divide and conquer' thing by talking about how much better Clinton clearly is than Obama as if, y'know, Clinton was capable of running again or as if him being on the outs with Obama again would effect anything

manic pixie, mercy, yo chick she's so quirky (some dude), Sunday, 9 September 2012 01:30 (eleven years ago) link

Ryan's slash and burn views on Medicare & will scare enough senior citizens to secure a win for Obama in FLA & the possibility of R/R picking up enough other swing states to compensate for that is highly unlikely.

Broney, Pt. 1 (Pillbox), Sunday, 9 September 2012 03:17 (eleven years ago) link

er Medicare & Social Security

Broney, Pt. 1 (Pillbox), Sunday, 9 September 2012 03:18 (eleven years ago) link

Lol at NASCAR anecdote

Raymond Cummings, Sunday, 9 September 2012 04:20 (eleven years ago) link

Mittens has to be sweating at this point. Countdown til some ill-starred "shakeup" of his campaign team/strategy...

Doctor Casino, Sunday, 9 September 2012 04:43 (eleven years ago) link

fwiw clemenza, i find your horserace junkiedom endearing and only settled on those particular adjectives to describe u bc iirc u used them to describe yourself first

Mordy, Sunday, 9 September 2012 16:17 (eleven years ago) link

Fair enough. I do have a habit of trying to preempt potential criticsm by levelling it at myself first.

clemenza, Sunday, 9 September 2012 18:58 (eleven years ago) link

you are canadian after all

lag∞n, Sunday, 9 September 2012 20:57 (eleven years ago) link

and a teacher

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 9 September 2012 21:00 (eleven years ago) link

Obama up to 80.7% this morning on 538.

Mordy, Monday, 10 September 2012 13:02 (eleven years ago) link

haha okay now that seems ridiculous to me

DARING PRINCESS (DJP), Monday, 10 September 2012 13:21 (eleven years ago) link

That's his "chance of winning," not his polling, note.

Doctor Casino, Monday, 10 September 2012 13:39 (eleven years ago) link

His polling is at 237.8%

Ned Raggett, Monday, 10 September 2012 13:44 (eleven years ago) link

I know it's his chance of winning, I just remain semi-skeptical that he's overcoming the kneejerk racist backlash by THAT wide a margin

like, mid-70s I could be more confident in

DARING PRINCESS (DJP), Monday, 10 September 2012 13:51 (eleven years ago) link

yeah that is insane

Mr. Que, Monday, 10 September 2012 13:55 (eleven years ago) link

5% racism miscalculation

lag∞n, Monday, 10 September 2012 13:57 (eleven years ago) link

He's leading Ohio by 5. If he wins there his chance of winning is near 100%.

Plasmon, Monday, 10 September 2012 13:57 (eleven years ago) link

if obama win ohio or florida its over say good night

lag∞n, Monday, 10 September 2012 13:58 (eleven years ago) link

it's a tricky thing to calculate, racism

ppl often forget to carry the 2/5

DARING PRINCESS (DJP), Monday, 10 September 2012 13:59 (eleven years ago) link

lawl

lag∞n, Monday, 10 September 2012 13:59 (eleven years ago) link

http://dsdtglobal.com/images/nodding_head_1_.gif

goole, Monday, 10 September 2012 14:00 (eleven years ago) link

if obama win ohio or florida its over say good night

imagining Madonna joining Obama on stage election night to duet on "Take a Bow."

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 10 September 2012 14:06 (eleven years ago) link

You've just given me a reason to vote for Romney.

NR’s resident heavy-metal expert (Nicole), Monday, 10 September 2012 14:06 (eleven years ago) link

I'd probably wait a couple of days till that last jobs report registers in the polling. Obama definitely seems to be ahead; I still see it more like 65/35, but then I spent most of '08 waiting for the roof to cave in. There's still the debates, still the various September economic reports, and I bet one more unexpected development. Canada severed all diplomatic ties with Iran yesterday, and now Netanyahu has called us "The leaders of the Western World." (Take that, America!) So the we've-fallen-behind-Canada-as-a-world-power issue will obviously loom large.

clemenza, Monday, 10 September 2012 14:15 (eleven years ago) link

I honestly think Obama's going to beat Romney like a tied-up goat in the debates.

Irwin Dante's Towering Inferno (WmC), Monday, 10 September 2012 14:18 (eleven years ago) link

I doubt debates will change anyone's mind.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 10 September 2012 14:19 (eleven years ago) link

Maybe they'll change Romney's mind? Certainly I think they'll hurt Ryan, which will affect Republican future.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 10 September 2012 14:21 (eleven years ago) link

"anyone" seems a little broad.

Mr. Que, Monday, 10 September 2012 14:22 (eleven years ago) link

I still see it more like 65/35

i don't mean to nitpick, but the reason i like 538 is that nate actually deploys his model to come up w/ his numbers. he doesn't make them up based on anecdotal evidence or his gut feeling. not that he's necessarily right and you're wrong, but i trust him more

Mordy, Monday, 10 September 2012 14:22 (eleven years ago) link

Maybe they'll change Romney's mind?

maybe he'll drop out after the first one! ("Eh, fuck this").

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 10 September 2012 14:22 (eleven years ago) link

not that he's necessarily right and you're wrong, but i trust him more

Wise move. Whenever I got discouraged in '08, Silver was a beacon of sanity, for the exact reasons you mention.

clemenza, Monday, 10 September 2012 14:24 (eleven years ago) link

I have a lot of belief in the 538 statistical model; I'm mostly boggling at how high that percentage chance of winning is and think it will correct back down over the next week.

DARING PRINCESS (DJP), Monday, 10 September 2012 14:25 (eleven years ago) link

i don't understand why the nowcast thing turned around so abruptly. is that all the dnc convention?

caek, Monday, 10 September 2012 14:26 (eleven years ago) link

Watching Ryan try to bluster his way through the whole 'I voted for sequestration, but I didn't really, and besides it's Obama's fault' thing yesterday I envision him coming out of the debates looking more weaselly, not less.

Ermahgerd Thomas (Dan Peterson), Monday, 10 September 2012 14:27 (eleven years ago) link

watching Alaskan reactions to the Biden/Palin debate really made me realize that most ppl who actually watch the debates have already made up their minds who will win them before they even start

DARING PRINCESS (DJP), Monday, 10 September 2012 14:30 (eleven years ago) link

yeah it's like rooting for your team

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 10 September 2012 14:31 (eleven years ago) link

It's an 80/20 split in favour of a 51%-49% rousing sweep against a 49%-51% humbling defeat.

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 10 September 2012 14:34 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah, that's why I downplay the odds. I realize Silver's model is partly based on realistic routes to victory, and that Romney's are few. It's just that so many of the alleged swing-state margins are very small.

clemenza, Monday, 10 September 2012 14:47 (eleven years ago) link

All it would take is footage of Obama, when no-one's not looking, pouring a beer into a plant pot...

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 10 September 2012 15:06 (eleven years ago) link

when no-one's not looking

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 10 September 2012 15:08 (eleven years ago) link

I actually think the racist vote will be smaller this year than it was in '08, for the simple reason that the black guy already won once, and the world didn't end. They're demoralized.

誤訳侮辱, Monday, 10 September 2012 15:09 (eleven years ago) link

Plus: more racists have died in the last four years.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 10 September 2012 15:14 (eleven years ago) link

Romney's team working overtime on the "Look it's okay to have voted for him, lots of exciting historical reasons for voting for him, but it's okay to feel that maybe he wasn't right for the job. Right? Riiight? *cough*affirmativeaction" though.

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 10 September 2012 15:15 (eleven years ago) link

^That's the vibe I'm getting from the crap I hear from my mum. "He's a very nice man, I'm sure, but he *just isn't up to the job*" but srsly al these buzzwords and dog-whistles remind me of watching waves hitting a beach with less and less force as the tide goes out. Have been applying scorched-earth policy to family members by just calling them on the crypto-racism or just plain presenting them with how the three viewpoints they simultaneously hold are incompatible and maybe they better not repeat that shit outside the family lest they be taken as COMPLETELY FUCKING STUPID.

Sigh.

ella fingerblast hurls forever (suzy), Monday, 10 September 2012 16:09 (eleven years ago) link

Just ask them how much their life saving were down in 2008 vs. now.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 10 September 2012 16:11 (eleven years ago) link

is "He's a very nice man, I'm sure, but he *just isn't up to the job* a dog whistle? I've been hearing variants since Reagan.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 10 September 2012 16:11 (eleven years ago) link


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