1980'S ROCK POLL ALBUMS/TRACKS VOTING THREAD. (Voting closes September 20) (all welcome to vote inc Lurkers)

OK... I got them down under 100 by absolutely getting down to the things I would vote in top 10. Then pasted them into an Excel type programme (it was open office calc for me) starting in column b. Then I wrote in column a what number I would genuinely vote for them to be - in isolation, not with respect to anything else. Then sorted by column a and resorted then renumbered.

The end result was things I never would have thought of being cut got cut, but things I love ended up where they should have been. I'm actually pretty happy with how it ended up.

Contenderizer fancy trying that?

thinking about it. i'm already working in excel w multiple degree-of-affection columns, wouldn't hurt to add another...

I have office and no idea how to use it other than keep a track of my monthly CC spending. Which I guess is more important but I'd like to be able to do more if ever needed.

Although do not post ballots/reveal placings please do talk about the albums so that you can help boost them and others check them out. That's the point of the poll!

cut a lot of my favorites early on cuz i know i'd be the only one voting for them :(

putting aside the usual "pragmatic" considerations, why would you do this? my question springs less from naivete than curiosity about your take on voting this way.

I'm interested in the perceived stakes in having a liked track place over having a loved one not.

I suppose it's because they want to influence the poll rather than vote for something nobody else will and regret not having pushed something up several places by voting for it.

BUT THAT IS WHY YOU TALK ABOUT AND RECOMMEND ALBUMS ON HERE. Boostering works! You can't complain albums dont make it in the results if you didn't bother campaigning for them in this thread.

it's strictly pragmatic. i really love "candle opera" by claw hammer, even posted a video i made in the youtube thread, but i can't imagine that anyone else will vote for it no matter what i say or do. would rather devote a few points to something i genuinely like that could use the boost. "born too late", for instance...

sure, but what's the fallout from voting for "candle opera" and having it place near the bottom?

of course people want to influence the poll, but to what end? there are a few possible answers, but I'm looking for specifics.

xp

Then everyone who has voted or is making their list needs to answer you.

no, it's not an inquisition. obviously no one needs to answer me. it's a very simple question about the perceived meaning (in the context of ILM) of having one of your noms on the final list. it's not a vast, unsolvable mystery, just a point of curiosity.

well, a stone cast into a well that results in a slight change in ILM poll rankings can at least claim to have had an effect on the world. otherwise, it's nothing but the act of casting a stone into a well.

like, i probably wouldn't be typing these letters into a box unless i was fairly certain this message was gonna appear in this thread.

I'm just interested in the divergence between attempting to be a tastemaker and accurately representing oneself. I mean, everyone is going to be able to publish their ballots at the end of the poll, so even a wildly thrown stone is going to have an effect.

*ballot

I'm not trying to troll you, btw, or single you out, so w/e. nbd.

I think, from previous polls experience, that some ILXors always regret not giving points to an album that finished lower down than expected. However if you vote for your favourites and campaign on these threads for them, you might find unexpected albums/tracks making it.
Also remember that in previous polls I've gone beyond a top 100 (as long as enough people vote) so that these albums do do get in the rundown therefore voting for obscure favourites high up on your ballot combined with campaigning is not a pointless exercise after all.
I always find the lower reaches of lists to be by far the most interesting. My polls are not about who wins but what less unknown/obscure/cult albums get in the lower reaches.

But obviously you can vote as you please. There is no set way. Just please vote and campaign on the thread for albums/tracks.

There is a reason I sit here and talk about Candlemass,Trouble, Saint Vitus, Husker Du, Sonic Youth albums other than DN - it's to get people checking them out and maybe they will get some votes.

That's why I asked about Coil,C93,NWW,Foetus etc so people might chat about them and then get votes.

Oh and everyone please give Redd Kross votes!

I agree with your point about the more colorful lower reaches of the poll, hence my question about the the urge to push up liked tracks at the expense of (probably more interesting) beloved tracks that may not get voted for at all (and therefore not even be represented in these lower reaches).

*campaigns for seven churches*

whole album is on YouTube as one clip

it's not a mystery, just an interest in other perspectives on the poll.

xxp

If anyone wants to answer please do.

But what were the obscure albums people cut? we should talk about them. Maybe others might vote for them. That's why it might be worth discussing albums on the thread before voting.

There is a reason I sit here and talk about Candlemass,Trouble, Saint Vitus, Husker Du, Sonic Youth

yeah, but there's every reason to think those acts might place. they still seem interesting to a lot of ILXors. for whatever reason, the oddball/marginal garage rock stuff i like best is a much tougher sell.

nevertheless, you've convinced me. i'm gonna vote for all kinds of goof marginalia and see what happens.

i, i say, i say, uh, "goofball"

Well make sure you ,and everyone else, campaigns for that stuff. I want to get introduced to new music/introduce others to new music. Best way to do that is to talk about it.

Listened to Form Destroyer twice today. It's fantastic!

v. cool. you've just doubled the amount of votes it'll receive!

Not '80s, but definitely check out Xaman, too; it absolutely kills.

thats the spirit; told you campaigning works

maybe it's time for me to post my compilation of skullflower rarities again

Listened to Form Destroyer twice today. It's fantastic!

I completely forgot about both the '88 EP Birthdeath and the '90 CD Ruins, which compiles Form Destroyer, half of Birthdeath, and two other tracks.

Form Destroyer is far better than Birthdeath, so nbd over not nominating it.

always hated the mastering on the ruins CD

90s CDs in general are terrible.

I shoulda nommed skullflower's '89 shock 7" in tracks, oops

anyway, here's that comp

skullflower - ancient bloodless eye (1988 - 1992)

01 i live in the bottomless pit (1989 shock 7")
02 bo diddley's shitpump (1989 shock 7")
03 timebomb (1988 birthdeath 12")
04 rift (1990 majora 7")
05 avalanche (1990 majora 7")
06 rotten sun (1991 toejam 7")
07 spook rise (1991 toejam 7")
08 evil twin (1991 split 7" w/ m.t.t. on minus habens)
09 aquatic horrorshape (1992 shrine compilation)

http://www.mediafire.com/?pa3vtrfyvcjp3my

Awesome, thanks!

not familiar at all with Skullflower, thanks Edward!

Nice to see melvins and Skullflower fans about, i must say

skullflower hugely important to me in '89, think I might've done the first US interview for them back then?

And a former ilxor probably did the first UK interview with Melvins.

Actually does anyone remember when in the UK; Melvins first got written about? Was it along with Mudhoney ?

probably Everett True in the late 80's. ive never heard a note of Skullflower. better rectify that!

well I was assuming it was ET, just wasn't sure when.

from 88 - 92 skullflower were a nasty driven lo-fi psych rock band, then they dropped the rock part and spent 20 years making vaguely differentiated noise records

You know what; see when you guys talk about an album or two the next few ballots have those albums in their ballot. Coincidence? I think not.

Wonder if it would work for Zoogs Rift or Poison Idea.

spent 20 years making vaguely differentiated noise records

ha, yes, I believe "bottomless pit of artistic onanism" was the reference on the YouTube thread. thanx f/the comp, btw did you receive a text yest?

a text yest? no I don't think so?