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she also says:

"I'm always playing a character," she says. "I don't talk like this really -- like a baby. I don't act like myself in public, because I don't really want to show everyone the real me. Because I have no privacy whatsoever, the only thing I have is who I really am."

of course i had a positive prejudice towards the paris album! and i was proved right.

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 17:17 (seventeen years ago) link

When people are saying "she doesn't deserve her fame", do they actually mean "she doesn't deserve the vast amounts of money she has"?

Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 17:20 (seventeen years ago) link

and i was proved right

Good thing you're not a judge Lex!

shorty (shorty), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 17:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Shorty the only thing I'm a bit surprised about in yr argument is the exalted status being given to the Hollywood Walk of Fame - is her blasphemy against its hallowed exclusivity really that horrid?

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 17:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Also am I the only person that finds that 'celebrity' in itself isn't a particularly interesting subject for a song, an album, a 'subversive' art statement, a book, an internet message board debate or anything else?

I mean, some people are famous, some like it, some don't. Big fucking deal. Some people deserve their fame, for like pulling of some amazing feat of physical or artistic endeavour, some don't. It's NOT INTERESTING.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 17:24 (seventeen years ago) link

(The logical extension of this is that Paris isn't particularly interesting either as a popstar or a figure in the public eye. Which I don't think she is either).

Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 17:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Tom, I thought it simply shows how absolutely spoiled and naively conceited she is. I actually don't care who is on the Walk of Shame in the least.

shorty (shorty), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 17:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Matt is broadly OTM - this is why the Lex's arguments for Paris being somehow more than an enjoyable pop album have never rung true with me.

(It might still be more than that - but the Lex's second-hand po-mo clothes don't feel like an interesting fit on it.)

xpost Shorty so your argument boils down to "Spoiled woman thinks she should be included in notorious monument to vanity O NOES"?

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 17:28 (seventeen years ago) link

walk of shame! worthy of banksy.

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 17:29 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm not wearing any po-mo clothes! po-mo clothes are generally past their best. paris is an enjoyable pop album - a part of this is that it engages emotionally as well as superficially. when i say that paris's songs are resonant with me i'm not claiming it's "more" than a great pop album - this is exactly what a great pop album is.

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 17:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Also am I the only person that finds that 'celebrity' in itself isn't a particularly interesting subject for a song, an album, a 'subversive' art statement, a book, an internet message board debate or anything else?

no i agree and this is a big part of why the last STreets album was so hard to engage with (the other parts being all that terrible singing and weak production)

2 american 4 u (blueski), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 17:31 (seventeen years ago) link

The main reason for this is that Paris H's own experience is so radically outside any of our frames of reference that she DOES just come across as a spoilt brat even if she isn't actually. I mean, no one other than The Lex and people who know her personally cares what the 'real' Paris is like. Any more than we care about any 'price of fame' confessional type albums. It's one of the reasons why the new Streets album is so much less compelling than the previous two.

People generally want to either idolise or mock their celebrities. They don't want to empathise with them, unless they get cancer or do something else that brings them down to the level or 'mere mortals'.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 17:32 (seventeen years ago) link

ARGH XPOST SHARED BRANE HELP!

Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 17:33 (seventeen years ago) link

:o

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 17:33 (seventeen years ago) link

I feel the same way about Kanye West's blowout about not getting whatever award it was. The only difference between this and Paris assertion is that (in my opinion) Kanye does have talent, but I still think he looked like a complete fool in this case.

I dunno, I just respect people that accept their praise and/or criticism in stride, and don't get visibly pissed off when the public (or whatever awards organization) doesn't share in their self-perceived recognition.

shorty (shorty), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 17:35 (seventeen years ago) link

do you hate 90% of humanity then, shorty?

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 17:36 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm afraid to tell the truth on that one Lex!

Someone said "I love humanity, it's just the people I can't stand!" Something like that applies to me.

Besides, there are tons of people who accept their recognition gracefully (at least while in public).

shorty (shorty), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 17:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Thread is an insult to the great ms. Hilton and proof why Bush should've bombed the UK instead of Iraq.

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/8761/thatshot6anthnz4.jpg

Dimehitter Dwayne Hosey (dwaynehosey), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 18:03 (seventeen years ago) link

lol @ people still arguing over the fucking PARIS HILTON record.

Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 18:07 (seventeen years ago) link

you're right Merl! Dunno why I felt the need to pull at this thread today.

shorty (shorty), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 18:11 (seventeen years ago) link

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Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 18:13 (seventeen years ago) link

shorty, you know when ur banging on about ppl earning their fame etc, do you mean paris jumping to the top of the porn vid queue and displacing all the honest fame-deserving webcam girls you appear to be peddling in ur dayjob? sorry, i'm awful confused!!

rtccc (mwah), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 18:21 (seventeen years ago) link

dude, I have made no personal attacks against Lex or anyone else in this thread. I have also never spammed or advertized the site I manage here at ILX; I simply used one of my many e-mail addresses that is already a spam-inbox. How any of that has anything to do with this thread... Oh, I see you say you're confused. Nevermind then.

On the other hand, there's no such thing as bad publicity, so thanks!

shorty (shorty), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 18:35 (seventeen years ago) link

I can't believe ILX is having this conversation in 2006.

Can we maybe talk of the new Diddy album? Are people hating on this for the same reason?

is anyone anticipating the new Baaderonixx? (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 19:20 (seventeen years ago) link

I would imagine Hilton has worked very hard to get where she is. I think she is responsible for her own fame, and has therefore 'earned' it (whatever that means).

Worked? You have got to be joking! Even though she's not to inherit that many millions - to many cousins and whatnot to share the dough - she's never worked in her life unless you count that sex tape she did with Shannen Doherty's ex and holding a cellphone to her ear. (It's entirely possible she signed a contract with some medical reseach center to see if obsessive usage of a cellphone can create brain cancer. She's got'em fooled of course as she has no brain.) But that is beside the point. So what if you worked 24 hours per day, the end result is what matters.

I like her in some weird ass way.

lol @ people still arguing over the fucking PARIS HILTON record.

*stares at thread title*

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 19:59 (seventeen years ago) link

I can't believe ILX is having this conversation in 2006.

aka THE YEAR THE ALBUM CAME OUT

2 american 4 u (blueski), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 23:28 (seventeen years ago) link

You people.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 23:32 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm still waiting for a definition of the word "onlhat."

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 23 November 2006 08:42 (seventeen years ago) link

If celebrities are so inherently uninteresting, how then to explain the continuing popularity of (eg) celebrity gossip magazines?

braveclub (braveclub), Thursday, 23 November 2006 09:02 (seventeen years ago) link

people are interested in uninteresting things.

benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 23 November 2006 09:33 (seventeen years ago) link

I said "celebrity" as a subject matter isn't interesting. Clearly people are interested in celebrities. Usually for idolising or mocking purposes (see Heat).

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 23 November 2006 09:34 (seventeen years ago) link

tbh some celebrities are interesting, but the phrase "celebrity culture" can only evoke dread. it's a very zoe williams kinda topic.

benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 23 November 2006 09:37 (seventeen years ago) link

the problem with "celebrity culture" is that it's such a meaningless phrase that it gets used to represent so many strawmen instead of people thinking about the terms in which people actually engage with/relate to celebrities

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 23 November 2006 10:03 (seventeen years ago) link

true, but that's possibly partially because the word 'celebrity' itself has become meaningless.

have you ever seen the state of the participants in celebrity come dancing/cooking/hairdressing/badger baiting, etc? I reckon the average person on the street would be hard-pressed to name even half of the participants in these programmes before they begin. they may become celebrities afterwards, but that's another story.

rather than meaning 'celebrated' or 'lauded', it now just seems to mean 'somebody that some other person, somewhere, has heard of... once'.

mister the guanoman (mister the guanoman), Thursday, 23 November 2006 10:24 (seventeen years ago) link

the international star system has been going since the 1910s; there is nothing new about celebrity culture. people have been having learned debates about how regular folk relate to celebrities almost as long.

there have long been people like paris hilton, it's just that in the past they didn't have sex tapes, they dressed classier, and didn't always think they needed to *do* things like films and records to justify themselves.

benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 23 November 2006 10:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Since the 1840s, when Dickens started doing his American tours.

Except Dickens had talent.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 23 November 2006 11:44 (seventeen years ago) link

better in the sack too

2 american 4 u (blueski), Thursday, 23 November 2006 11:53 (seventeen years ago) link

ha, i really dislike dickens (except for great expectations). in my mind there's no doubt that hilton has produced the better work of art!

why are people so hung up on the question of her "talent" anyway? what kind of talent are they referring to? countless musicians with no discernible ability to sing (from bob dylan to britney spears via every indie act ever) or write songs (almost every popular entertainer in the history of pop music) are feted. what is it about paris which needles people so much more?

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 23 November 2006 12:02 (seventeen years ago) link

also i find it v amusing that about 3 people on this thread have heard the full album and ALL OF THEM LOVE IT.

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 23 November 2006 12:02 (seventeen years ago) link

also i find it v amusing that about 3 people on this thread have heard the full album and ALL OF THEM LOVE IT.

absence of proof is not proof of absence.

um re talent -- it's not just her talent that's in question, but her producers', writers', etc.

benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 23 November 2006 12:05 (seventeen years ago) link

there's no doubt that hilton has produced the better work of art!
why are people so hung up on the question of her "talent" anyway?

there's no doubt that hilton has produced the better work of art!
why are people so hung up on the question of her "talent" anyway?

there's no doubt that hilton has produced the better work of art!
why are people so hung up on the question of her "talent" anyway?

there's no doubt that hilton has produced the better work of art!
why are people so hung up on the question of her "talent" anyway?

there's no doubt that hilton has produced the better work of art!
why are people so hung up on the question of her "talent" anyway?

benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 23 November 2006 12:08 (seventeen years ago) link

pasting is fun

2 american 4 u (blueski), Thursday, 23 November 2006 12:09 (seventeen years ago) link

i know right.

benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 23 November 2006 12:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Hoosten OTM

dommy p is alright WHICH IS A LOT MORE THAN I CAN SAY ABOUT A LOT OF PEOPLE (Dom, Thursday, 23 November 2006 12:30 (seventeen years ago) link

waht

benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 23 November 2006 12:32 (seventeen years ago) link

...countless musicians with no discernible ability to sing (from bob dylan to britney spears via every indie act ever)...are feted. what is it about paris which needles people so much more?

in the case of bob and britney, not that I'm a fan of either, they may not be able to sing like nusrats or buckleys or christinas, but at least they're distinctive, they have character and charisma. you'd recognise their voices in a millisecond.

however, paris's singing voice, while also not exactly technically great, is entirely bland and strangely featureless...much like paris herself. it's the vocal equivalent of special K, and I want coco pops, dammit! with chilli!

mister the guanoman (mister the guanoman), Thursday, 23 November 2006 12:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Special K has a very distinctive malty taste. You might be thinking of Kelloggs Start.

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 23 November 2006 12:36 (seventeen years ago) link

i thought he meant ketamine!

coco pops with chilli sounds vile.

paris's voice is very distinctive.

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 23 November 2006 12:37 (seventeen years ago) link

does that come with little bits of dried prune? start, I mean, not ketamine.

mister the guanoman (mister the guanoman), Thursday, 23 November 2006 12:38 (seventeen years ago) link

They think it's all over is a well known quotation popular in England. It is taken from Kenneth Wolstenholme's BBC TV commentary in the closing moments of the 1966 World Cup, where England beat West Germany 4-2 after extra time to win the FIFA World Cup.

Transcribed, the quotation is:

And here comes Hurst! He's got...

(Wolstenholme's attention is diverted by some of the crowd spilling onto the pitch)

Some people are on the pitch! They think it's all over!

(Geoff Hurst scores to put England two goals ahead)

It is now! It's four!

ITV's commentary for the match as the final concluded with "It's four! It's four!" is not quite as notable, as per the BBC's dominance of the British media at the time.

The fourth goal was allowed to stand, although it was scored as a pitch invasion was in progress. The laws of the game clearly state that in such circumstances, the game has to be stopped because of outside interference of any kind [1].

[edit] In pop culture

The phrase, along with other calls from English football matches, appears in New Order's song "World In Motion". The British band The Dentists called their first album Some People are on the Pitch They Think It's All Over It Is Now in Wolstenholme's honour; the LP begins with a sample of Wolstenholme's original commentary. Track #3 on british folk metal act Skyclad's EP Jig-a-Jig is called "They Think It's All Over". The song contains the phrase "They think it's all over. Well is it now?" in its chorus and includes several references to the '66 World Cup.

The quotation was also used as the title of the BBC's satirical sports quiz show They Think It's All Over, which has appeared on BBC One since 1995. The show has heightened the popularity of the phrase in recent years, though Kenneth Wolstenholme was reportedly unhappy with the use of the phrase for the title of the show.

dommy p is alright WHICH IS A LOT MORE THAN I CAN SAY ABOUT A LOT OF PEOPLE (Dom, Thursday, 23 November 2006 12:39 (seventeen years ago) link


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