what movie-length episode thing?
― itt: i forgot that he yells at a butt (sic), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 00:41 (eleven years ago) link
all the episodes were said to be movie-length, hence fewer episodes in 2012 and 2013
― * The "no hands" rule can be compared to socialist tax policies (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 00:49 (eleven years ago) link
no, they weren't
― itt: i forgot that he yells at a butt (sic), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 00:57 (eleven years ago) link
thank the maker they're not doing that because I'm watching it on BBC America and they won't extend the running time, they'll just lop 15 minutes out of the 60 minutes episodes.
― Legendary General Cypher Raige (Gukbe), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 00:58 (eleven years ago) link
looks like this might have got out of hand
― * The "no hands" rule can be compared to socialist tax policies (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 01:01 (eleven years ago) link
sounds like someone was pining for the original format and started a successful rumor
― DARING PRINCESS (DJP), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 01:07 (eleven years ago) link
the Beeb have made "blockbuster movie" style poster images for each of the five new eps, if by "blockbuster movie poster" you mean 'knocked up cheaply in Photoshop in five minutes by a work-experience kid'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/galleries/p00xzhxb
― itt: i forgot that he yells at a butt (sic), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 01:36 (eleven years ago) link
And from the rumors I've been reading online, the 50th anniversary keeps sounding more and more dismal...
I don't want to 'spoil' anything for anyone so I won't go into detail. Well that and the fact that online rumors often turn out to be completely false.
― Frobisher the (Viceroy), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 01:38 (eleven years ago) link
I just wish we were getting a full series in 2013, but from all I can see it seems we're only getting the other 8 eps of this one.
― computers are the new "cool tool" (James Morrison), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 01:41 (eleven years ago) link
The next 8* will be early in the year; at the moment it looks like a cluster of 2009-style specials around the anniversary (not counting Gatiss' Sydney & Verity docudrama), and Moffatt and Smith are signed for a full series in 2014. All this could change, of course.
*apart from the Christmas special
― itt: i forgot that he yells at a butt (sic), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 02:26 (eleven years ago) link
Oh, good, that's more like it then!
― computers are the new "cool tool" (James Morrison), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 04:28 (eleven years ago) link
Someone else has spotted this:
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9v1aa2Fuk1qjp42oo1_500.jpg
Unfortunate re-use of a prop, or...?
― passive-aggressive display name (aldo), Wednesday, 5 September 2012 13:24 (eleven years ago) link
well wait, one has gold arms and the other has black arms
totally different things
― DARING PRINCESS (DJP), Wednesday, 5 September 2012 13:32 (eleven years ago) link
Does not not happen all the time though?
(Is that the last known shot of the Doctor's Daughter?)
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 5 September 2012 13:33 (eleven years ago) link
It's not inconceivable that spaceships might have similarly designed chairs. Just a thought.
― emil.y, Wednesday, 5 September 2012 13:36 (eleven years ago) link
Commodity item in teh future.
― Chewshabadoo, Wednesday, 5 September 2012 13:59 (eleven years ago) link
Bottom one doesn't have gold arms, it's just the lighting.
Aye YMOF, that's the Doctor's Daughter leaving in her spaceship at the end of her episode.
Yes, does happen all the time and is more than likely just a coincidence - and of course Moffatt has no control over the production department even when they make horrific fuckups (cf Rory's hospital badge).
― passive-aggressive display name (aldo), Wednesday, 5 September 2012 14:09 (eleven years ago) link
possibly it's more accurate to say they lit the bottom one specifically so it would have gold arms in a vain attempt to throw off canny Internet propspotters
well maybe "accurate" isn't the word I'm looking for
― DARING PRINCESS (DJP), Wednesday, 5 September 2012 14:34 (eleven years ago) link
The premiere is kind of a throwback to the ye aulde Who, no? With all the walking back and forth through subterranean tunnels?
― R=J-L (Leee), Thursday, 6 September 2012 05:48 (eleven years ago) link
and all the old daleks
― * The "no hands" rule can be compared to socialist tax policies (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 6 September 2012 05:50 (eleven years ago) link
those tunnels were the BEST, I was so happy to see them
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 6 September 2012 15:14 (eleven years ago) link
It's weird because when watching it I did wonder if the Doctors daughter would ever come back in it. But that just looks like a re-use of props.
― VOTE in the 1980's ROCK POLL PLEASE! (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 7 September 2012 02:02 (eleven years ago) link
was hoping for a second that the Doctor would take Dalek Souffle along with him, just for the lols of having a Dalek companion.
― Roz, Friday, 7 September 2012 05:40 (eleven years ago) link
SPOILARS
this was a lovely episode. properly had me in stitches for the whole first half, and smith's performance was absolutely top notch. also loved the strong women, especially that moment where the doctor tried to stop nefertiti and she completely disregarded him.
― * The "no hands" rule can be compared to socialist tax policies (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 8 September 2012 22:50 (eleven years ago) link
Hard to believe this was a Chris Chibnall episode!
― NR’s resident heavy-metal expert (Nicole), Saturday, 8 September 2012 23:24 (eleven years ago) link
I loved this one. Adventures in space, nice characterisation, self-contained story. I realise I've failed at nu-Who fandom, but it's nice to enjoy a story in itself without giving a fuck for arc shit.
I await the avalanche of posts telling me about the clues I missed...
― ailsa, Saturday, 8 September 2012 23:25 (eleven years ago) link
Mitchell and Webb were fucking dreadful, Hale and Pace all over again. But everything else was fun.
― JimD, Saturday, 8 September 2012 23:49 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, good fun. The Doctor could've saved Solomon easily right? Vindictive!
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Sunday, 9 September 2012 01:35 (eleven years ago) link
That was DELIGHTFUL
― DARING PRINCESS (DJP), Sunday, 9 September 2012 02:01 (eleven years ago) link
Walder Frey had to die. xp
― NR’s resident heavy-metal expert (Nicole), Sunday, 9 September 2012 02:03 (eleven years ago) link
this was by a long shot the least awful Chibnall episode ever, I will actually watch it again sometime. but still too much of him playing Moffatt notes clunkily, like in the first Pond Life. Murray Gold needs to STFU, still.
And the thing looks as if teal & orange ate a big meal of teal & orange and then vomited teal & orange all over teal & orange. in the spaceship scenes there was barely another colour on screen at all, and the other scenes were desperately heavy with it. if you're setting your story in a variety of locations and timezones and whatnot, it might help to differentiate them somewhat, just a little?
other production design pissweakery: not knowing how to spell "progress"; thinking Minority Report screen-waving is so cool that a TEAM OF SPACE-MISSILE EXPERTS would not keep a COUNTDOWN OF THEIR SPACE-MISSILES PROGRESS in a prominent visible place on their monitors, instead needing ONE SPECIFIC TEAM MEMBER who knows where that window is hidden to have to bring it up to check any time they want to know; having a thousands-and-thousands-of-years-in-the-past spaceship use the same floaty-touch-screens as a thousands-of-years-in-the-future, instead of distinguishing them to look like a) a different species' tech, b) a different time's tech, c) tech designed to be sturdy and survive for milennia in transit.
and the ark design made no fucking sense either - there's no way that ship design could have taken off, so did they ferry each dinosaur up there one at a time? was theur transmat technology so powerful it could get hundreds and hundreds of dinosaurs OFF THE PLANET? if they were able to build an entire ark off-world, how were they not able to find a new planet to settle in SEVERAL MILENNIA? we've seen that the entire universe is chock-full of planets with Earth-like atmospheres.
not that the design was built for long-term travel anyway - any meteor shower would probably have hewed one of the pods off, let alone how many they ought to have encountered in these thousands of years
anyway nice to have the prob;ems not be mainly from the Chibster that said, how many times have we seen the Doctor basically str8 murder dudes before? Tennant at end of Human Nature 2 debatable, Pertwee caps ppl in Day Of, did Baker ever actually kill anyone or did he just want to all the time?
― itt: i forgot that he yells at a butt (sic), Sunday, 9 September 2012 02:54 (eleven years ago) link
liked Mark Williams, but why didn't he go to his son's wedding? - it's not like he would have been anywhere else, since he'd never travelled
― itt: i forgot that he yells at a butt (sic), Sunday, 9 September 2012 02:56 (eleven years ago) link
basically str8 murder dudes before
oh there's programming the human race to kill Silents on sight
actually Tennant blew up or watched die heaps of baddies now I think abt it
― itt: i forgot that he yells at a butt (sic), Sunday, 9 September 2012 03:00 (eleven years ago) link
Colin Baker shot a dude who fell into a vat of acid in "Vengeance On Varos" IIRC
― DARING PRINCESS (DJP), Sunday, 9 September 2012 03:02 (eleven years ago) link
yah I meant Baker comma C full stop obv, ta
― itt: i forgot that he yells at a butt (sic), Sunday, 9 September 2012 03:16 (eleven years ago) link
annoyingly i can no longer turn off the part of my brain that is angry about the sexual politics of nu-who; and as such the ending stuff with Nefertiti and Ruper Graves pissed me off disproportionally, given his character was canonically a dick but heaven forfend we not pair off the spares (and because it just cemented her characterisation as 'fierce and proud but gagging for it', which: retch.)
also the mitchell and webb robots were super boring, and the fact that everything involved in the story had to be from earth was jarring. but the rest was pretty fun, and i liked the little bit of arc stuff where the doctor and tardis no longer exist on databases.
― v for viennetta (c sharp major), Sunday, 9 September 2012 05:20 (eleven years ago) link
I really enjoyed this ep!
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 9 September 2012 06:15 (eleven years ago) link
and i liked the little bit of arc stuff where the doctor and tardis no longer exist on databases.
this doesn't make sense though, Oswin only wiped Dalek databases. dalekbases.
(though I'm hugely in favour of ppl just HAPPENING to not know who he is, which I hope is the case here)
― itt: i forgot that he yells at a butt (sic), Sunday, 9 September 2012 06:31 (eleven years ago) link
that was kinda silly and fun, plus it seemed to be filled with harry potter character actors.
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Sunday, 9 September 2012 06:39 (eleven years ago) link
it's almost as though this might become a plot point
― v for viennetta (c sharp major), Sunday, 9 September 2012 06:53 (eleven years ago) link
yes maybe! but it would also be fine if they just have the Dr run into ppl who haven't heard of him from now on, instead of doing cross-episode connections
― itt: i forgot that he yells at a butt (sic), Sunday, 9 September 2012 07:35 (eleven years ago) link
When Solomon googled the Doctor, the Doctor looked quite scared, genuinely unsure what would come up. There was palpable relief when it was blank. So I'm thinking this is a plot point. Is it possible that 'silence' has fallen with the question - Doctor who? - being asked by the Daleks? That silence being the Doctor's anonymity. Mind you, wasn't that question supposed to be asked at some the battle of Tramadol or whatever it's called? Regardless of the big question, is it possible that the underlying arc is going to be the Doctor's anonymity and that having terrible consequences for him and/or the universe? Kinda like the rationale for saving the Daleks at the end of Genesis; they helped make the universe what it was, bringing planets together etc. Without the Doctor being a thing, bad shit goes down. It's like they're flipping the messianic Doctor idea of the past few seasons on its head in more ways than one. It means we can have more stand alone adventures, while setting up something big. Who knows, this could be completely wrong, but it'll be fun to find out.
As for this ep, good fun, but messy. Excellent, really nasty old-school baddy, shame he couldn't have had more screen time. Good to see strong female characters, but as pointed out above, Nefertiti as sex-pot let things down. Mark Williams a good addition. Peep Show robots shit - obviously going for a Douglas Adams thing, but lacking the wit or bite. Adams would never have gone in for the cutesy shit either. The Doctor leaving Solomon to die was pretty harsh, but not unprecedented. I suppose it could be argued he made a utilitarian decision: if he couldn't take Solomon with him to be handed over to the authorities then there was no choice but to leave him to his fate. And he did commit genocide. On the other hand, the Doctor didn't really offer him mercy either. Again, maybe this will tie into the anonymous Doctor = bad consequences theme. If he can't be arrested, as it were, then he starts to make rash decisions which will ultimately come back to haunt him. After all, this Doctor has made rash and brutal decisions before, like blowing up a Cyberfleet to make a point. His darker side still lurks...
― Poor.Old.Tired.Horse. (Stew), Sunday, 9 September 2012 12:05 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, the robots were terribly written and acted, and entirely unconvincing as the threat the whole plot hinged on. They looked quite cool though.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Sunday, 9 September 2012 12:07 (eleven years ago) link
Easily the worst episode of Moffat's tenure. "We're riding a dinosaur! On a spaceship!". Having your characters shout about how wacky and bonkers and LOL RANDOM the episode is really doesn't do it any favours. Very poor.
― DavidM, Sunday, 9 September 2012 12:46 (eleven years ago) link
there sure was an uneasy mix of genocide, camp and slapstick - but i enjoyed it immensely more than eg the hollow pastiche that gatiss wrote last season
― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Sunday, 9 September 2012 12:55 (eleven years ago) link
Anyone know if any classic villains are being resurrected this year? (Were any last year come to think of it?)
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Sunday, 9 September 2012 13:23 (eleven years ago) link
there weren't.
― itt: i forgot that he yells at a butt (sic), Sunday, 9 September 2012 13:44 (eleven years ago) link
cybermats!
― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Sunday, 9 September 2012 14:38 (eleven years ago) link
the threat the whole plot hinged on = a) missiles and b) dinosaurs surely? I never got the impression that the robots were anything other than comic relief / the dopey will of Solomon.
― Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 9 September 2012 17:58 (eleven years ago) link
Expected to hate this but it was quite an enjoyable romp. Agree with the absolute HATRED for the Peep Show robots, but also... why? Why were they like that? Solomon hardly seems like the sort of guy who would build that shit for comic relief.
Surprised that anyone is even discussing whether the Doctor's anonymity is going to be a major plot point... well, duh, of course it is.
― emil.y, Sunday, 9 September 2012 19:23 (eleven years ago) link