Pink Floyd vs. Joy Division

i prob would too, though i've never heard any live JD.

apparently joy division >>><<< pinkfloyd

no way. joy division >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<pinkfloyd

Norm Coleman will see you people in court!

PiL greater than either!

i prob would too, though i've never heard any live JD.

Oh noes! The "collectors edition" of both Unknown Pleasures and Closer have an extra disk that's a whole live set, and they both kill.

Les Bains Douches is also pretty amazing.

joy division live >>>>>> joy division

I'm inclined to disagree. I love the production on the JD studio records, so many neat little tricks that I keep rediscovering.

They're two different equally overwhelming beasts. Listening to live JD at deafening volumes, especially the aforementioned Les Bains Douches, is adrenaline rush-inducing. And if you'd only heard the live stuff, for some reason, the otherworldliness of the studio recordings would be a bit shocking, I imagine.

do we have a thread live jd vs. studio jd? if not, i guess we need one. i would give a lot right now to see them live, i missed to see them at the time. the live cds and bootlegs are fine and huge but seeing them live would have been a very different story. has there ever been a band with such a powerful sound and such an obsessed singer? i don't think so.

The Eternal on the Preston 28 February 1980 live album -- the version without Hooky because the bass/bass amp/whatever has blown up -- is the single bleakest, most terrifying thing I will ever hear. Actually, that entire album is mind-fuckingly brilliant.

(I mean, obviously a load of that bleakness and terror is because you know what lay around the corner, but even so ...)

Yeah it's got In Utero appeal like that.

ilXor Last.fm group weekly chart for the week ending January 25, 2009

No. 1 Animal Collective

No. 2 Kanye West

No. 2 David Bowie

No. 4 Joy Division

No. 5 Radiohead

No. 6 The Beatles

No. 7 Fever Ray

No. 7 The Velvet Underground

No. 9 New Order

No. 10 Cut Copy

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No. 217 Pink Floyd

proven by science????

http://pro.corbis.com/images/42-15557211.jpg?size=572&uid=%7BBC606FFF-8194-4FFD-94EE-6864B504BC68%7D

How'd I miss this one? Just as well, really, as I don't think I could pick one over the other. Today, though, Joy Division wins.

freakish tie

i never believe the poll results on ILM. too many people with multiple accounts.

A tie? Oy vey.

think about it -- there are some striking similarities (besides the fact that they are four of my all-time favorite bands).

frankly, the comparison is really incomplete when you exclude New Order. because Floyd was quite a different band post-Syd (though with almost all of the same people), just like New Order was a very different band than New Order. and they BOTH discovered synths AND dance music ("another brick in the wall") AFTER ian/syd.

"Another Brick in the Wall" is not dance music. And that comp title (A Collection of Great Dance Songs) is, whaddya call it, ironical.

i was really trying to be funny ... but "another brick in the wall" IS set to a disco beat (or as close to one as these plodders could get).

Number 57 on the Billboard club play/dance chart in 1980, too. According to Dave Gilmour, "It wasn’t my idea to do disco music, it was Bob’s. He said to me, ‘Go to a couple of clubs and listen to what’s happening with disco music,’ so I forced myself out and listened to loud, four-to-the-bar bass drums and stuff and thought, Gawd, awful! Then we went back and tried to turn one of the [song’s] parts into one to those so it would be catchy."

Big of Gilmour to admit to being a reactionary tool.

I like the idea of him sitting in camouflage in the corner of a nightclub taking notes, too.

Camo was more echo and the bunnymen tho.

not liking disco music != being a reactionary tool xxp

The only singer worse than Ian Curtis is the mopey dork from Tindersticks .

I like that he was like "this sucks...I'd better write something just like it!"

Floyd was quite a different band post-Syd

"Post-Syd" encompasses the period from, basically, right after "Piper" hit the streets! He was barely useful during the recording of "Saucerful."

nd they BOTH discovered synths AND dance music ("another brick in the wall") AFTER ian/syd.

Uh, synths weren't really available when Syd was a contributing member of the band, so this is hardly an insight.

"run like hell" gots some of the disco beats up in it too. always wanted a full-on dance mix of it tbh.

oh anag I like you and enjoy your posts based on knowledge but in all honesty

not liking disco music = being a reactionary tool feels as close to a fact of nature as nature wanders

PS the subtext here is "don't argue u reactionary racist" [better chattin' about stuff u enjoy than the rest of the ingrasable onionverse]

wait are you saying I'm a reactionary racist

Dave Gilmour, then anybody who doesn't like disco, then anybody who wandered past when I was drunk.

dude I called AbitW & Run Like Hell disco-metal in some other thread and got heaps of scorn dumped on my noggin!

It's not scorn it's fear of rhythm

reactionary tools!

anyway, if I was calling you racist anagram it was very stupid of me and I'm very sorry. hard for me to decipher my own drunk posts, honestly. stand by my general assertion re. reactionariness of being anti-disco tho.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6PHI-UiOPM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3RvAIJQh7g

no worries NV, peace

Probably the two bands I've spent the most time with in my life, maybe my two favorite bands, which isn't to say that I don't think Pink Floyd put out a lot of terrible stuff. I've always thought parts of Unknown Pleasures had eerie similarities to some of the darker/heavier tracks on The Wall, which for what it's worth, is exactly the kind of Pink Floyd stuff I don't rate too highly. Not sonically similar so much as some of those heavy foreboding minor chords.

In any case, Run Like Hell is definitely disco, and Pink Floyd have never been known for having taste. One of the most interesting things about them to me is just how insular they kept themselves. They say it in interviews, that they really didn't listen to any other bands and I think that helped them create a singular style and some innovate music, but also some dated/cheesy/silly stuff.

dude if Syd still had his marbles in '79, he totes wouldve been digging disco...

He was bigging up Slade in his last interview proper.