Lance Armstrong is a God

i can't speak to cycling really bcuz it's not something i've ever followed BUT if steroids in baseball (for instance) turned every player that used roids into a hall of famer than it would be a pretty stupid thing. but that doesn't happen, which in turn makes using steroids themselves stupid.

― young money color me badd (J0rdan S.), Thursday, August 30, 2012 11:07 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

dont really want to get into this but why do people always use this so obviously fallacious argument, steroids dont have to turn every player into a hall of famer to improve performance, or is it just a coincidence that all the doods who smashed roger maris single season hr record were juicing, i mean being strong helps w/baseball and other sport fyi, steroids enhance athletic performance, plz proceed w/yr argument from that assumption

there are also plenty of players who have roided until their balls were the size of pennies & it never amounted to shit

are u srsly making this argument because it is epically dumb

Phil Liggett claiming "agents from a particular agency" tried to bribe witnesses to testify against Lance.
http://inrng.com/2012/08/can-liggett-save-armstrong/
D. Millar - "Everybody should watch the @PhilLiggett interview. For me he is not the "Voice of Cycling"."

lol
Ned Boulting ‏@nedboulting
For the record, @PhilLiggett and I have very different views. I don't agree with him about Lance Armstrong. And it's probably mutual.

Don't think this has been posted yet:
http://www.sportsscientists.com/2012/08/the-armstrong-fallout-thoughts-and.html

AUSTIN, Texas -- Tyler Hamilton says Lance Armstrong gave him an illegal blood booster at his house before the 1999 Tour de France and the two teammates compared notes on using performance-enhancing drugs as far back as 1998.

Hamilton makes the allegations in his book, "The Secret Race. Inside the Hidden World of the Tour de France, Doping, Cover-ups and Winning at All Costs," set to be published Sept. 5. The Associated Press purchased a copy Thursday. Armstrong agent Bill Stapleton did not immediately respond to a request for comment

Hamilton and Armstrong rode together on the U.S. Postal Service team.

Armstrong has long denied doping but last week chose not to fight drug charges made by the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency. USADA has erased 14 years of Armstrong's competitive results, including his seven Tour de France titles.

key from NBS' link

Let me now turn my attention to four of the common questions and retorts that seem to have arisen:

1. "Lance passed 500 tests. He must be innocent"

This is straight from the press release, because it's been Armstrong's most used retort to the doping question. Two things:

First, there is no way he was tested 500 times. DimSpace has compiled a record of all the possible tests Armstrong may have been subjected to, with over-estimates, and it comes to 236. So there's more than a little hype in that number that started at 400, then hit 500, and just like that fish your uncle caught on his summer vacation in 1997 grew in size with every story-telling, ended up around the 600 mark.

Nevertheless, 236 is an impressive number to pass, so how is it possible? Well, here's a list of names - Marion Jones, Tim Montgomery, Dwain Chambers, Ivan Basso, Jan Ullrich, Valverde. That's just six names of athletes who also doped for very long periods without failing a test. Some were caught eventually (Chambers & Montgomery) because a test was developed for a drug called THG based on a tip-off. It then emerged that Chambers had doped for years, with everything, avoiding detection. Ullrich went down because of good old-fashioned investigative work that discovered blood bags in a clinic. Marion Jones was never caught. The reality is that testing is limited, especially when it happens in-competition. That's why people say that if you fail a drug test in competition, you have failed an IQ test - it's so simple to manipulate the timing and dosage of your drug use so that you are not tested when you compete.

And remember, the effect of doping lasts long after the drug is gone. You can take EPO, get the benefit, and compete without the drug in the system. Micro-dosing allows you to take the drug very close to the event without it being detectable. In fact, you can dope 12 hours from your race, and as long as you get dosage right, you'll pass doping controls. The authorities have to be very lucky to test you while you have the drug in your body.

The point is, passing the drug controls is not really all that difficult.

i think for me the issue is that at the top level of a lot of sports it becomes this elaborate intersection of sports, technology and sports medicine that i find distasteful. and that's true in sports i enjoy watching, like say, basketball or bmx racing but in pro tour cycling it's just this really egregious circus where it might as well be NASCAR with human engines

I like the intersection of sports, medecine and technology. It only really bothers me that pushed to the extreme, this kind of stuff leads to early death, which is not good.

I'd love it if there were medical analysts on tv explaining why some guy lost a bike race because he didn't take the right combination of drugs to win that particular race.

i can't speak to cycling really bcuz it's not something i've ever followed BUT if steroids in baseball (for instance) turned every player that used roids into a hall of famer than it would be a pretty stupid thing. but that doesn't happen, which in turn makes using steroids themselves stupid.

― young money color me badd (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 30 August 2012 15:07 (Yesterday) Permalink

baseball is a wacky sport whose greatest player was a fat dude who played drunk

http://trackandfield.about.com/od/worldrecords/tp/Women-s-world-records.htm

hmmmm what happened, golden age of talent I guess

baseball is a wacky sport whose greatest player was a fat dude who played drunk

― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, August 30, 2012 10:06 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

actually baseballs greatest player was a guy who did roids

liggett (and sherwen) gets livestrong money to speak at events. hardly a disinterested party in this.

haha lag i'm glad you said something because j0rdan's post really bugged me but i didn't wanna get into it

Michael Ashenden's response to Phil Ligget

http://nyvelocity.com/content/features/2012/filthy-business-indeed

Excellent ^

http://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/biking/road-biking/My-Life-With-Lance-Armstrong.html

^^^
"MY LIFE WITH LANCE ARMSTRONG
I was Lance’s personal assistant for two years, during the height of his racing career. Do I think he cheated? Yep. But my real problem is something that diehard fans seem unable to grasp: the vengeful tactics he uses against people who tell the truth about him, on and off the bike."

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/tyler-hamiltons-book-reveals-in-depth-doping-network#null

he really is a truly singular piece of shit

with a singular testicle

http://www.theonion.com/articles/havent-we-all-done-steroids-in-a-way,29317/

lol

Lance Armstrong ‏@lancearmstrong
Remind me not to stay out til 2am w/ @kidrock again. Hurtin' for certain today.

Oopsy:

http://deadspin.com/5950655/here-is-the-usadas-1000+page-report-about-lance-armstrong-doping

tl,dr

brb

too long, doped and rode

At 41, who's the healthiest looking dope head?
http://www.radaronline.com/sites/radaronline.com/files/photos/image_20121005/armstrong.jpghttp://us.acidcow.com/pics/20100811/iggy_pop_12.jpg

A bad day for jaybob79

Nike are choosing to celebrate this with the release of a 15 years of livestrong range. I sincerely hope that if trek doesn't drop lance's sorry arse they'll never sell another Madone in Europe.

The older guys, especially hincapie, can go fuck themselves but Zabriskie's story is pretty heartbreaking, pressured into doping after loosing his father to drug abuse. He still owns it though.

EPO all in my veins,
Lately things don't seem the same,
Acting funny, don't know why,
'Scuse me while I pass the guy

Sang by zabriskie in the team bus

Dave Z's song is part of the 'things like are kinda lol but mostly sad' canon.

I love this story:

According to two witnesses, the US Postal team doctor Pedro Celaya (who is charged by Usada and will face a hearing later this year) was thrown into a panic at the 1998 Tour de France by the Festina scandal, in which the French team was caught red-handed with a vast medicine cabinet of illegal drugs. Celaya flushed tens of thousands of dollars' worth of drugs down the toilet – though this would not have been much help if the French police had raided the team, because the toilet was in a camper van.

How Armstrong Beat Cycling’s Drug Tests

The most basic technique outlined in the report, based on affidavits from some of Armstrong’s former teammates, was simply running away or hiding.

ha

http://www.sebastianbraff.com/2012/07/dear-lance-armstrong.html

The simplest was pretending not to be home when the testers arrived. As long as they were in the city they had reported as their locations, the riders found they would not receive a warning for not answering the door.

man this dude never jumped out of space, fuck him

I don't want to see you lose your seven titles only to have them go to the second place doper who wasn't caught

otm, could i give two shits about this, no cos fuck cycling

The second place doper was caught, btw (and the third, and the fourth...)

i know but only strengthens the point rly

give em to meee

Phil Liggett really is a twat:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/despite-usadas-evidence-liggett-remains-armstrongs-supporter
The best bit: "I had an email from an eminent scientist from the US yesterday. An SMS actually. It said if Lance Armstrong had taken the drugs outlined by USADA he’d have been dead ten years ago. He’s an eminent scientist and a very intelligent man. I don’t know his name, the SMS came from a secondary person.”

"Well, Paul, I don't know why they call Lance a drug cheat...I mean, he only took on two needles of EPO over L'Alpe d'Huez...I got a text that said so..."

i foresee enforced retirement in phil's future

classic phil, misidentifying a text message as an email as it rejoins the leading group on the slopes of l'alpe d'huez

can wiggins somehow be implicated? mainly cos he's such a "mod" twat.

i foresee enforced retirement in phil's future

― single pun theory (haitch), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 08:17 (22 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Unfortunately NBC employ him and given how the whole affair is going down in the states I don't think his senile ramblings are going to get him sacked (I mean, they haven't to date)

that liggett stuff is kinda rambling and weird. like he kinda knows he's wrong but can't actually say it.

xpost

Him and Lance are deeply invested in Paul Sherwen's gold mine in South Africa (an actual gold mine that gold comes out of)