Come anticipate "The Dark Knight Rises" with *BATSPOILERS*

the phrase "10 times shorter" makes less sense than most of the plot holes they're pointing out

still, lol:

(Mickey Mouse voice)

OF COURSH!

So is it accurate to suggest that this movie just did not capture the zeitgeist at all? It feels like it exists, and made a lot of money, but didn't really enter the public consciousness the way the last did. Except, of course, related to the shooting, but I don't blame the shooting for this movie's failure as an "event."

How far would a plane continue to fly if its wings fell off mid flight? Like based on its altitude, groundspeed, flight path, etc.?

I'm just asking the aerospace engineers in the audience, btw.

Same way a man would devote his life to dressing up as a bat and fighting crime.

i thought this was pretty awful in exactly the same ways 'inception' was, but worse because of what they made poor tom hardy wear.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFdIxE9tqO0&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BepyTSzueno

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BepyTSzueno

athaway's ass was like a young Marlon Brando.

sweaty and a Polack?

simmering with barely controlled fury

So is it accurate to suggest that this movie just did not capture the zeitgeist at all? It feels like it exists, and made a lot of money, but didn't really enter the public consciousness the way the last did. Except, of course, related to the shooting, but I don't blame the shooting for this movie's failure as an "event."

― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, August 26, 2012 10:15 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

that's kinda what happens with MOST sequels, ain't it -- makes a ton of money off name recognition, but rarely sticks in people's minds beyond a continuation of the adventures of the characters they already know from the previous movies

I liked this. More than the other two. Sue me.

*files lawsuit*

*demotes the Capitaine to corporal*

Haah! Hey - I can't help that I've always found TDK a tedious slog for the most part. I was going in to watch TDKR last night with major apprehension and then that wonderful Bond-esque opening sequence happened. Then Anne Hathaway's Irma Vep-ish Catwoman. Followed by crazy adventures under Gotham (Nolan sure loves his subterranea), across the world (How did he make it back to Gotham?), a much faster pace due to some loopy, off the cuff editing and leads who for once seemed to be having fun with the ridiculousness of it all.

I'll be on KP Duty in the barracks.

i def could see someone saying it's their favorite of the nolan's because it comes the closest to the '60s batman of the three

Thanks for the underhanded challops there.

i can see someone saying it's their favourite because the first was massively flawed through having an awful villain and the second has that dreadful bombship dragging sequence and doesn't know what to do with twoface. all three have clunking flaws so it's really a take-your-pick

though personally even though serious batman is serious in TDK ledger makes it work for me and if you're going to talk about set-pieces i think TDK has plenty better than the opening of TDKR

Xp Also - how does it resemble the 60s Batman? Enlighten me.

i don't really get the "twoface was bungled" take on TDK, which seems increasingly common, I thought Eckhart was great

1) batman is in it xp

eckhardt was fine, effects were terrible, story once he got disfigured was kind of ... mangled, i suppose? just trying to do too much, too soon.

CJV you praised Irma Vep-ish Catwoman, crazy adventures, loopy off the cuff editing and actors finally enjoying the ridiculousness. The movie also has batman running around with a bomb before throwing it into the ocean.

also fight scenes that are basically BOFF! POW! PUNCH!

if only the blackgate prisoners in the climax had numbers on their shirts

You're stretching. What fight scene isn't BOFF! BANG! POW!?! So I guess the same goes for the TDK? Joker's in it. And there's a bank robbery. Pretty 60s!

2) he wears a mask and has a butler

you're responding to what i wrote with "well the other had a bank robbery" and I'm stretching?

the qualities you say distinguish TDKR from TDK pretty blatantly bring it closer to the '60s batman, even if TDK had the joker and a bank robbery

if TDK had wide shots of people brawling i don't remember them

if by closer you mean "minutely, almost imperceptibly closer if you squint" then croops is right

Burning a giant pile of money = best movie

i don't really get the "twoface was bungled" take on TDK, which seems increasingly common, I thought Eckhart was great

― da croupier, Saturday, September 1, 2012 2:47 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

eckhardt was fine, effects were terrible, story once he got disfigured was kind of ... mangled, i suppose? just trying to do too much, too soon.

― Randy Carol (darraghmac), Saturday, September 1, 2012 2:48 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah i understand why they did it storywise but it felt so weak that he was basically Two Face for five minutes at the end of the movie and only a handful of people saw him. when i think of the movie i remember Harvey Dent but Two Face never pops into my head unless someone brings him up, it just kinda leaves such little impression.

at it's worst nolan's revisionism seems to think it's above the standard batman comic while still needing to acknowledge it. because he was allergic to the standard "crime lord with aggressive visual aesthetic" bat-nemesis, two-face couldn't stand around screaming "oh god i love the number 2" while henchmen caused chaos, but dent still had to BE two-face. because eckhart was great and dent made such an impression, i guess i don't understand why people are so disappointed by the lack of two-face qua two-face, especially in comparison to say, Batman Forever.

and just in case this is why anyone's scoffing at the observation, i'm not saying TDKR is so much like '60s batman everyone who loves adam west should delight in it, i'm saying that the distinctions between the films CJV made happen to line up nicely with the qualities of '60s batman. If anything i'm trying to dignify the challop of liking TDKR the most ("yes it's campier and more frantic, that's what I want from Batman movies!").

i think these movies are much more comic booky than most people characterize them as. has Nolan said anything particular condescending about the source material in interviews or is that just a vibe people pick up in the movies?

they're definitely comic booky but I shouldn't have to explain the pretensions of a filmmaker who turns robin into an adult police officer who worships batman but never wears a costume...but is still literally named robin at the end of the film.

ha that was tonally challenging alright

another example of nolan steering clear of the more campy elements of the iconography to the point of absurdity - turning the batmobile into a tank the shape of a charcoal brisket.

that was something but i don't know if it was pretension so much as a really awkward way to have their cake and eat it too (as far as indicating who he'll become at the end without showing it, or by broadcasting it at the beginning of the movie by having him be named Dick Grayson). kind of in the same way having a very specific story arc for Dent meant making Two Face basically a cameo. (xpost)

the tank-like batmobile is derived from the Dark Knight Returns surely

if you don't know nolan is pretentious i don't know what to tell you

oh he definitely is, that just didn't seem like a prime example. anyway he seems comic book pretentious to me.

his "let's evolve the bat narrative" mentality has definitely been found in comic books, and i like some of the changes he's overseen, but i think his antipathy to overly blatant bat-camp leads him down some embarrassing paths, as it has comic book authors. i'm not trying to apply some false binary where either he's comic booky or not.

Actually belongs in the Batman Begins thread but whatevs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7enjABApKWE

hahaha that's somehow really great even though you know exactly what it's going to be from the title.

you guys are ridiculous, tom hardy is far and away the best thing about this movie, don't cry because you didn't get to see his mouth

― joaquin haus-partizan (s1ocki), Tuesday, July 31, 2012 7:53 AM (2 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is otm even if he sounds like a more actorly version of seth mcfarlane in hellboy 2

michael caine cried in every scene i think

also seconding that link way upthread that said the climbing stuff was moronic; it maybe made sense dramatically but it was so wrong that i was def pulled out of the narrative for a sec

i have no idea what was good about Tom Hardy's performance that any number of people couldn't have done just as well. totally the weak link of the movie for me, especially considering how good Hathaway was.