trolling to the moon xp
― ayonanas (Matt P), Saturday, 25 August 2012 20:24 (eleven years ago) link
RIP buddy
http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/history/mission_trans/AS11_TEC.PDF
― the late great, Saturday, 25 August 2012 20:27 (eleven years ago) link
i'm just going to be dr. morbius here for a sec.
the moon landing was perfectly staged propaganda. fifty years later we still don't give a shit about exploration if it isn't exploitation first. neil armstrong an unfortunate hero for everyone who loves lying to themselves.
― ayonanas (Matt P), Saturday, 25 August 2012 20:34 (eleven years ago) link
oh yeah? did you miss when we proved relativity?
http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/history/mission_trans/AS11_PAO.PDF
^^ where the poetry is
― the late great, Saturday, 25 August 2012 20:38 (eleven years ago) link
also all technology flies like that. you think columbus was looking for *THE TRUTH*
da vinci: smoke trees, fuck bitches, get paid
of course not, that's the point. xp
― ayonanas (Matt P), Saturday, 25 August 2012 20:39 (eleven years ago) link
Well my naive world has been blown wide open.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 25 August 2012 20:41 (eleven years ago) link
maybe he was looking for THREE CHORDS.
― KARLOR CAN FUCK ANYTHING! AND HE WILL AND HAS!!! (Eisbaer), Saturday, 25 August 2012 20:41 (eleven years ago) link
well tell you what, when the aliens get to the decrepit wreck of planet earth, they'll see a shining knight on a desolate plain, and you know what it's not morbius and morbid nihilism
― the late great, Saturday, 25 August 2012 20:45 (eleven years ago) link
they won't shed a tear for your childish bitching
Second half of a 60 Minutes interview he did, worth a look if you havent seen him speak about it.
The thing I always loved about him was how walking on the moon for him was nothing more than doing a job that was asked of him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqzbnSymE2w
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 25 August 2012 20:45 (eleven years ago) link
xp also matt p i just tore up your ticket for the colony ship
― the late great, Saturday, 25 August 2012 20:46 (eleven years ago) link
xp
The government's purpose was propaganda. That does not mean that the purpose of the people who worked on the mission was propaganda. Their purpose was to get people to the moon and back, more or less safely, and they did it. As for Armstrong, it is a rare man who would risk his life in a tin can 250,000 miles in space, simply because he wanted to propagandize some commies.
― Aimless, Saturday, 25 August 2012 20:46 (eleven years ago) link
fifty years later we still don't give a shit about exploration if it isn't exploitation first.
Who are the constituents of this perfectly-placed 'we'? Because it sure as shit doesn't include me.
― emil.y, Saturday, 25 August 2012 20:48 (eleven years ago) link
he put a mirror there so we could prove relativity and he brought back rocks
― the late great, Saturday, 25 August 2012 20:48 (eleven years ago) link
also he took a picture of an earthrise which has done more for the environmental movement than any number of fools lining up w/ lattes in manhattan traffic
When Neil Armstrong was on his way to the Moon, the New York Times printed a correction, for mocking a rocket pioneer in 1920
RIP
― Alba, Saturday, 25 August 2012 20:51 (eleven years ago) link
Many xposts: Matt, you could say the same thing about every soldier who fought for their country. how about the fact that Neil had the stones to do a job that had every chance of killing him & his crew. Have you watched the test footage? They may have been pawns in your eyes but don't think that dimishes their feats in any way
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 25 August 2012 20:53 (eleven years ago) link
Do not feed the moon trolls today.
RIP Neil. One small step indeed.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 25 August 2012 20:56 (eleven years ago) link
he did it for 5000 years of humans too
http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/500269/500269,1306661017,2/stock-vector-egyptian-sun-boat-78156865.jpg
― the late great, Saturday, 25 August 2012 20:58 (eleven years ago) link
the roach is the pawn of the military industrial complex stealing fire from the gods in the solar barge
that should be the "roach in the solar barge"
You mean: The scarab is rolling the sun across the sky like a ball of shit.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 25 August 2012 21:00 (eleven years ago) link
Can someone delete dylannn's posts and block him from this thread, plz? Is that doable? I mean, we've been to the moon and all, so surely we can do this.― Johnny Fever, Saturday, August 25, 2012 7:45 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Johnny Fever, Saturday, August 25, 2012 7:45 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
board sanitiser: can't recommend enough for those persistent stains
― For bodies we are ready to build pyramids (whatever), Saturday, 25 August 2012 21:00 (eleven years ago) link
It's not exclusively N.A., obviously, but I've enjoyed watching "For All Mankind" - and paging through its companion coffee table book - with my kids. They have no idea of the time, effort, courage and money it took to achieve what they did, let alone bring back those movies and pictures, and yet they could still connect on a primal level with the beauty and wonder of the images.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 25 August 2012 21:01 (eleven years ago) link
i was kidding, i think he just holds the sun like dung as it sails across the sky?
but the pharoahs built solar barges to sail to the sun on when they died
― the late great, Saturday, 25 August 2012 21:03 (eleven years ago) link
iirc akhenaten compared man and god to vermin and sun
― the late great, Saturday, 25 August 2012 21:04 (eleven years ago) link
so the moon mission is actually a holy quest
a moonship journey, if you will
tender spots! we all need our saints. i agree that symbolically the earth images run counter to the mission. doesn't make the hero-worship any less nauseating. and it doesn't make me nihilistic to point out that calling the moon landing a great accomplishment is completely ideological. xps
― ayonanas (Matt P), Saturday, 25 August 2012 21:06 (eleven years ago) link
otoh space is cool
― ayonanas (Matt P), Saturday, 25 August 2012 21:10 (eleven years ago) link
oh okay so you don't have any heroes or saints? or are yours just not nauseating like the ones us proles worship?
― the late great, Saturday, 25 August 2012 21:13 (eleven years ago) link
we all need our saints.
― ayonanas (Matt P), Saturday, 25 August 2012 21:14 (eleven years ago) link
just because:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq5gjfN5lns
― boxedjoy, Saturday, 25 August 2012 21:16 (eleven years ago) link
http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs/182376_o.gif
― omar little, Saturday, 25 August 2012 21:17 (eleven years ago) link
i'm not above hero worship but i try to recognize its limits, what it actually accomplishes and when it becomes something else usually en masse and i hope/trust at my best we can all do this. xp
― ayonanas (Matt P), Saturday, 25 August 2012 21:17 (eleven years ago) link
Thing about US propaganda and the moon and all that. The cultural narrative to me has always seemed more or less that it was fulfilling Kennedy's dream, which was from a cool and nice and idealistic time before he was assassinated. Neil was pretty humble about his role in all of it, which is something i greatly admire, and he had the skills and wits to pull of some much-needed last minute SAVING THE DAY type actions, so that seems pretty heroic too. Undermining it by saying it's just a product of US propaganda just seems like empty "Sheeple!" talk. If the mission was to go to the moon and shoot missiles at Russia along the way i would be cynical. But this didn't involve physically attacking another country, and him evoking "One giant leap for mankind" rather than "One giant leap for America" sort of takes away from that propaganda talk anyways. All in all, a pretty righteous dude. Pretty much everyone I've read about the was involved in the mission saw it as something bigger than themselves, and bigger than the Cold War.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 25 August 2012 21:37 (eleven years ago) link
ok maybe not all of us.
― ayonanas (Matt P), Saturday, 25 August 2012 21:40 (eleven years ago) link
that was glib and lame. i guess i made my point. anyway roll on being inspired everyone.
― ayonanas (Matt P), Saturday, 25 August 2012 21:42 (eleven years ago) link
calling the moon landing a great accomplishment is completely ideological
But it WAS a great achievement. I don't have a horse in this race, I'm not American and I'm not blind to the fact that you guys have done an awful lot of terrible, horrible things (hey, so have we! Woo!). But to deny that PUTTING A HUMAN BEING ON THE MOON is a great accomplishment is just insane.
― emil.y, Saturday, 25 August 2012 21:43 (eleven years ago) link
if a carefully staged engineering exercise is really your idea of a great accomplishment than i'm just... sad i guess.
― ayonanas (Matt P), Saturday, 25 August 2012 21:44 (eleven years ago) link
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ZDB4_y8Nbf0/UDkqyIVJfLI/AAAAAAAAn_c/GscZ2uuovRI/s640/Scan10001.JPG
Neal Stephenson, Neil Armstrong, Neil Gaiman
― Roz, Saturday, 25 August 2012 21:45 (eleven years ago) link
you're definitely sad, yeah
― abcfsk, Saturday, 25 August 2012 21:46 (eleven years ago) link
i mean it's basically the same as the 1980 olympics but replace hockey fans with technophiles xp
― ayonanas (Matt P), Saturday, 25 August 2012 21:46 (eleven years ago) link
you distrust the "en masse" idea because your game is to look down on the majority of people
― the late great, Saturday, 25 August 2012 21:46 (eleven years ago) link
congrats
Matt P, I am confused, what would your idea of a great accomplishment be? I find it very strange that you can't conceive of engineering something that can travel outside of the Earth's atmosphere as a great accomplishment. What have you got against engineering? I mean, are you also not impressed about discovering the theory of relativity because 'oh, well, if you consider doing a bit of maths a great accomplishment then I'm just... sad'?
― emil.y, Saturday, 25 August 2012 21:49 (eleven years ago) link
― the late great, Saturday, August 25, 2012 4:04 PM (38 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
indeed
― catbus otm (gbx), Saturday, 25 August 2012 21:50 (eleven years ago) link
meanwhile we're about to destroy ourselves and our planet but going somewhere and coming back is a great accomplishment.
i mean the physical part of a journey can be an important element in transformation--i guess the earth pictures tease at the possibility of a transformation.
fast forward to 2012 and our vision of the future is mining asteroids.
xp i distrust ideology, which majorities are usually constructed in order to reinforce. i trust human decency and sharing/enabling life. doesn't usually whip everyone into a fervor unfortunately.
more xps engineering is a tool with potential, not an accomplishment.
― ayonanas (Matt P), Saturday, 25 August 2012 21:55 (eleven years ago) link
Read a whole bunch of books about the Apollo program because of this thread and a few more are still waiting.
― Albee Thousand (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 1 January 2013 02:24 (eleven years ago) link
what did you read? recommendations plz
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 1 January 2013 02:27 (eleven years ago) link
(xp)That was awesome. Thanks, Chris.
After the good book with the title Moonshot, the one by Dan Parry, I read Moondust, by Andrew Smith, where he interviews all the surviving moonwalkers and tries to find out what it was like- rave review from Arthur C. Clarke and J. G. Ballard! Then Andrew Chaikin's A Man On The Moon, which is kind of a standard work that narrates all the Apollo missions which, although it has its longueurs when they are on the ground, does a really good job once they are in flight. Then the most excellent How Apollo Flew to the Moon, by W. David Woods, which goes into as much technical as you could want without reading the actual NASA manuals. Paged through Al Worden's Falling to Earth, saving up Mike Collin's Carrying The Fire, which is supposed to be the best of the "nose cone histories."
― Albee Thousand (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 1 January 2013 02:44 (eleven years ago) link
Mike Collins. Lately my apostrophes have started floating in microgravity.
― Albee Thousand (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 1 January 2013 02:45 (eleven years ago) link
Did not read Gene Cernan's book or Chris Kraft's, nor Deke!, although the last is supposed to be pretty good. Nor 2012's Forever Young.
Also, please feel free to help answer this important question if you can: Apollo 8 anniversary RFI: which astronaut brought along "Sleepwalk" on his spaceman Walkman?.
― Albee Thousand (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 1 January 2013 02:52 (eleven years ago) link
this is p cool
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9HdPi9Ikhk&feature=youtu.be
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 23 July 2014 15:32 (nine years ago) link
*Bump* to RIP the Last Man, Gene Cernan.
― Moog and Stan (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 17 January 2017 01:07 (seven years ago) link
Rip lance armstrong, inventor of the trumpet
― Treeship, Tuesday, 17 January 2017 01:20 (seven years ago) link