Nominations for an 80s Albums That Rock Poll(inc indie/Alt,punk,metal,heavy/glam etc) CLOSES SUNDAY NIGHT 11:59 p.m. UK

The thing is, the Gories are allowed in the poll and the Jam are not.

I don't hear Chuck Berry as being much more aggressive than Holly. Bo Diddley certainly wasn't!

holly was ingratiating. he asked for a lady's hand and heart. he was nice about it, for the most part. he didn't often attack the beat with the ferocity that berry brings to "maybelline" and "johnny b. goode". he didn't sing about his ding-a-ling. he didn't wear a cobra snake for a necktie.

"Johnny B. Goode" hangs back in the pocket, I think. It's not that aggressive. "Maybellene" is jaunty.

I think Holly made some pretty tough rockabilly with numbers like "That'll Be the Day" and "Oh Boy."

To get technical, Berry's guitar style also emphasized parallel motion (even in lead playing) with an overdriven sound, which you can see as a direct antecedent of power-chord riffing.

I was idly thinking that this could be seen perhaps as a sort of 'rock' that can be traced back to roots in Who/Kinks/Cream/Hendrix/Zeppelin/Sabbath as opposed to the traditional canon that would also include Buddy Holly, Dylan, the Byrds, the Band, (Beatles and Stones even?), etc. I think the noise and improv elements still make sense in this context.

― EveningStar (Sund4r), Thursday, August 23, 2012 1:15 PM (1 hour ago)

sund4r otm. also that it's probably a mistake to get caught up in hashing out the rockingness of 50s shit. the vision of rock that organizes this poll does seem descended from the late 60s and especially the 70s: a combination of masculinity, aggression, intensity, noise, experimentation, and aspiration to the status of art.

plus 70s punk + 80s metal

But, really, if you hear "Oh Boy" as equally or more aggressive than "Johnny B. Goode", I'm not sure how to convince you tbh.

xpost to self

Part of my point was that 70s punk and 80s metal BOTH seem to owe something to the influences I cited.

yeah, agree - was just extending forward from the late 60s/early-mid 70s examples

I think "Johnny B. Goode" is fairly subtle, really. He plays muted rhythm guitar, it hangs back in the pocket, etc. I mean, sure, there's some raunch in the leads. The Crickets had some raunch as well.

He projects more as a singer, too.

(Berry, that is.)

In any case, contenderizer was right re what I was getting at:

also that it's probably a mistake to get caught up in hashing out the rockingness of 50s shit. the vision of rock that organizes this poll does seem descended from the late 60s and especially the 70s: a combination of masculinity, aggression, intensity, noise, experimentation, and aspiration to the status of art

Comparing the versions of "Brown Eyed Handsome Man" by Berry and Holly is interesting, by the way. There doesn't seem to be any notable distinction with regard to how much either version rocks. Berry sings it with more of a croon, actually, while Holly has his rockabilly singing style. Berry's version swings a little more, but Holly's is faster.

hehe what a strange diversion

bump

closes sunday night 11.59pm now. if a kindly mod could change both thread titles that would be awesome.

You want it changed from midnight to 11:59 p.m.?

yes please! Just so everyone knows it finishes sat night now instead of sunday morning.

Thanks very much WmC and sorry to be a nuisance

sunday night it finishes now i mean haha

Current thread title is "Sunday night midnight" -- you want a one minute change?

A whole minute?

yes because it looked like it finished 24 hours earlier

thanks!

that's insane

what, letting ppl know the nominations have been extended 24 hours?

agk, you're sure you've never done any drugs?

...but who am i to say

ALBUMS THAT ROCK:

The Reverb Motherfuckers - Route 666
The Honeymoon Killers - Turn Me On

oh, I see where you got that idea

just so we're on the same page, this closes in roughly 9 hours, right?

― Hellhouse, Saturday, August 25, 2012 1:26 PM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

nah will make it tomorrow night

― Algerian Goalkeeper, Saturday, August 25, 2012 2:29 PM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

BLAME HELLHOUSE!

yes, that is exactly why I asked

hellhouse is a shit-stirrer

and he wont tell anyone who he is

one minute?!?!

no, 23 hours and 59 minutes ACTUALLY

Fates Warning - Perfect Symmetry

Think we're lacking a bit in noisy indie rock/pigfuck type stuff.

Sonny Sharrock Band - Seize the Rainbow

no one likes that stuff

lol, pig fuckery, not sonny sharrock

(was on the Aug 1 list but not the most recent list.)

Also, someone nominated Sonic Youth - Daydream Nation but it does not show up on the most recent list.)

(xpost to self re Seize the Rainbow)

ahh ok. need to fix it

bump

8 Eyed Spy - s/t
Bitch Magnet - Star Booty
Dustdevils - Gutterlight
Dustdevils - Is Big Leggy
Primitive Calculators - s/t
Sonic Youth - The Walls Have Ears

keep em coming

Morsure - Acceleration Process

Is "pigfuck" just a catchall for the noisy end of 80s indie: Big Black, Buttholes, Scratch Acid, Jesus Lizard, ...?

Except for straight-up 80s hc shit, the music covered by this poll lines up pretty well with my own tastes and personal listening history in 80s guitar rck.

rock

Algerian-

prob. no one cares, but this rec that I nominated-

F/i - Out of Space and Out of Time

should be taken off. it came out in ’93, and I don’t really think the contenderizer/Avengers rule applies, tbh.

if you could add this instead -

F/i - Why Not Now? Alan!

thx

/stupid list shit

Thanks to all who nominated. Nominations are now closed
however I need to clean up the spreadsheet and double-check everything so if anyone didn't see this thread or has late nominations then you have 30 mins (5pm UK time)