It actually doesn't, though -- the next slide is McSweeney's.
― Sandy Denny Real Estate (jaymc), Thursday, 23 August 2012 20:44 (8 months ago) Permalink
ha i just assumed! weird
― da croupier, Thursday, 23 August 2012 20:44 (8 months ago) Permalink
i think there is bias in both engineering and nursing. not just hiring bias, but bias in the culture that produces engineers and nurses. same applies to crit. but i'm gonna go out on a limb here and suggest that engineering and nursing are different from music criticism in a key way: they depend on the correct application of a very precise and technical skillset. crit doesn't. you just have to write and think well, and be interested in the subject. i'm gonna go out on another limb and suggest that there are TONS of smart women out there who love music and could write well about it. i bet that if pitchfork put up an ad on their site saying that they're interested in hearing from women who'd like to write crit for them, they'd receive a massive, massive flood of applications - and that among them, there'd be at least a few good ones. if any similar organization really wanted to hire more female critics, it could do so in a heartbeat.
― contenderizer, Thursday, 23 August 2012 20:47 (8 months ago) Permalink
If you're like us, you think of pioneering indie music website Pitchfork as an emporium for alterna-bros. We're wrong. On a week-to-week basis, the website publishes an impressive number of female bylines—in our count, 59 percent of Pitchfork's top-level content was written by women—even though its editorial staff leans heavily on male names. Next stop: SPIN.
― da croupier, Thursday, August 23, 2012 1:38 PM (8 minutes ago)
by my count, 33 of the last 200 reviews published on the p4k site were written by men. about 16%. if it's true that 59% of their "top-line content" was written by women, it only makes their reservation of critical arbitration as dudespace all the more strange.
― contenderizer, Thursday, 23 August 2012 20:51 (8 months ago) Permalink
Fair point, although, if da croupier's source is to be believed, they are already employing a large percentage of women.
xpost!
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Thursday, 23 August 2012 20:52 (8 months ago) Permalink
hold on folks, we're just about to hit critical dudespace
― mod night at the oasis (NickB), Thursday, 23 August 2012 20:57 (8 months ago) Permalink
Isn't that the name of an Umphrey Mcgee cover band?
― Evan, Thursday, 23 August 2012 21:02 (8 months ago) Permalink
corrections dept.
33 of the last 200 reviews published on p4k were written by women. about 16%.
― contenderizer, Thursday, 23 August 2012 21:20 (8 months ago) Permalink
and 11% voted in the poll
― Mr. Que, Thursday, 23 August 2012 21:28 (8 months ago) Permalink
11% of less than 1% of the normal readership right?
― Evan, Thursday, 23 August 2012 22:41 (8 months ago) Permalink
a friend:had a fun thing happen on twitter where I said "lol you know how you know that pitchfork list is garbage? clap your hands say yeah is like number 6 and nick cave and sleater-kinney aren't on it at all."
and one of the members of clap your hands say yeah actually responded to me saying "I'm IN the band and I agree"
― Cunga, Friday, 24 August 2012 06:37 (8 months ago) Permalink
Couldn't help but notice the yearly results between 1996 and 2006 are mostly packed with awesome records that I listen to on the regular, whereas the results between 2007 to the present are chock full of bullshit.
― billstevejim, Friday, 24 August 2012 07:40 (8 months ago) Permalink
it is kind of remarkable how much acts who peaked post-'95 that would ordinarily be considered indie royalty like Sleater-Kinney and Tortoise didn't make the list, really illustrates the generation gap.
― some dude, Friday, 24 August 2012 11:08 (8 months ago) Permalink
wow. yeah thats crazy
― just sayin, Friday, 24 August 2012 11:15 (8 months ago) Permalink
was there a list of 30+ voters only?
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Friday, 24 August 2012 11:18 (8 months ago) Permalink
yeah there's a bunch of lists for 31-35, 36-40, etc
― some dude, Friday, 24 August 2012 11:20 (8 months ago) Permalink
ok cool i will go have a look then
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Friday, 24 August 2012 11:24 (8 months ago) Permalink
Would anyone have fun with doing a 15 years prior list?
― Evan, Friday, 24 August 2012 13:52 (8 months ago) Permalink
It seems to me that the list just shows how much influence Pitchfork has over its readers. Their favorite albums and Pitchfork's favorite albums are nearly one in the same.
― kornrulez6969, Friday, 24 August 2012 13:59 (8 months ago) Permalink
Pitchfork's are actually more interesting.
― MarkoP, Friday, 24 August 2012 14:20 (8 months ago) Permalink
both of you otm
― some dude, Friday, 24 August 2012 14:21 (8 months ago) Permalink
is this thing on
― Evan, Friday, 24 August 2012 14:22 (8 months ago) Permalink
you asked if people on ilm would have fun making lists around arbitrary guidelines. the answer seemed too obvious to supply.
― some dude, Friday, 24 August 2012 14:26 (8 months ago) Permalink
ILM polled the 80s and the 90s relatively recently, not sure what an 81-96 poll would add if that's what you're suggesting.
― Cong rat ululations (seandalai), Friday, 24 August 2012 14:29 (8 months ago) Permalink
There hasn't been a proper 00s poll but idk how excited people would be about that.
― Cong rat ululations (seandalai), Friday, 24 August 2012 14:30 (8 months ago) Permalink
True, I figured it may not be far enough off from other recent lists, but was curious if this thread made anyone else besides me interested in trying it out.
― Evan, Friday, 24 August 2012 14:32 (8 months ago) Permalink
Many excellent albums on Rudipherous's list that I don't see on other lists: e.s.t., Ayelet Rose Gottlieb, Derek Bailey, Matthew Shipp, Sunny Jaim Collective, Dave Fox, Ned Rothenberg, Rahim Al Haj, Feder/Frith. Those first two are especially stunning.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, 24 August 2012 14:34 (8 months ago) Permalink
Evan there is this poll Nominations for an 80s Albums That Rock Poll(inc indie/Alt,punk,metal,heavy/glam etc) CLOSES SUNDAY NIGHT MIDNIGHT UK
But its not quite what you're after. But everyone's welcome to nominate and vote.
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Friday, 24 August 2012 15:29 (8 months ago) Permalink
Thanks! I appreciate the heads up.
― Evan, Friday, 24 August 2012 15:59 (8 months ago) Permalink
I don't see how it wasn't obvious ahead of time that if everyone's list was combined, the consensus would seem to be praising albums that are entirely predictable.. which is always what happens when combining a large number of submissions.. But it doesn't necessarily mean that the majority of submissions looked identical to the results.
It's too bad Pitchfork didn't decide to place the most emphasis on the "more lists from the people" section which is infinitely more interesting.
― billstevejim, Friday, 24 August 2012 17:32 (8 months ago) Permalink
68.
you can just post your singles list, you don't have to wait for them, you know― Fareed Zaireeka (Whiney G. Weingarten)
― Fareed Zaireeka (Whiney G. Weingarten)
Fine.
1. Archigram, "Carnaval"2. Gui Boratto, "Beautiful Life"3. The Avalanches, "Since I Left You (Cornelius Remix)"4. Daft Punk, "One More Time"5. Do While, "Balloons (Alternate Version)"6. The New Pornographers, "Letter From an Occupant"7. Ghostface Killah, "All That I Got Is You"8. Frightened Rabbit, "The Modern Leper"9. Efdemin, "Jean"10. R. Kelly, "Step In The Name Of Love"11. Mercury Rev, "Holes"12. Madonna: "Ray of Light" 13. Ada, "Maps (Michael Mayer & Tobias Thomas Mix)"14. Blackstreet feat. Dr. Dre, "No Diggity"15. Lil Wayne, "A Milli"16. All Saints, "Pure Shores"17. Alphabeat, "Fascination"18. Kelly Clarkson, "Since U Been Gone"19. Amerie, "That's What U R"20. Julianna Barwick, "The Magic Place"21. Freelance Hellraiser, "A Stroke Of Genius"22. Underworld, "Two Months Off"23. T.I., "Rubber Band Man"24. M83, "Run Into Flowers"25. LCD Soundsystem, "All My Friends"26. Botany, "Beach Wail"27. Beyoncé, "Single Ladies"28. The Streets, "Blinded by the Lights"29. Sebastian Tellier, "La Ritournelle"30. Tim Hecker, "Hatred of Music I"31. The Whitest Boy Alive, "Golden Cage (Fred Falke Remix)"32. Big Boi ft. Gucci Mane, "Shine Blockas"33. Yo La Tengo, "Deeper into Movies"34. The Mountain Goats, "Love Love Love"35. Robyn, "Call Your Girlfriend"36. Jürgen Paape, "So Weit Wie Noch Nie"37. Sweet Female Attitude, "Flowers"38. Radiohead, "Pyramid Song"39. Yeah Yeah Yeahs, "Maps"40. United State of Electronica, "IT IS ON!"41. Wayne Wonder, "No Letting Go"42. Snow Patrol, "Spitting Games"43. Lil Mo feat. Fabolous, "4 Ever"44. Otomo Yoshihide's New Jazz Orchestra, "Eureka"45. The Magnetic Fields, "Take Ecstasy with Me"46. Jay-Z and Kanye West, "Otis"47. Neutral Milk Hotel, "Holland, 1945"48. Erase Errata, "Another Genius Idea From Our Government"49. Missy Elliott, "Pass That Dutch"50. Girls Aloud, "Biology"51. Massive Attack, "Teardrop"52. Quad City DJs, "C'Mon 'N Ride It (The Train)"53. Smashing Pumpkins, "1979"54. Arcade Fire, "We Used To Wait"55. Mark Morrison - Return Of The Mack56. Enrique Iglesias feat. Pitbull, "I Like It"57. Tori Alamaze feat. The Clipse, "Don't Cha"58. Bassment Jaxx, "Romeo"59. Eluvium, "Taken"60. Janet Jackson, "Love Me For A Little While"61. Osymyso, "Intro-Inspection"62. The Clientele, "Since K Got Over Me"63. Chemical Brothers, "Hold Tight London"64. DJ Lady Dana, "Ladies First"65. Stanton Warriors, "Dooms Night Revisited (Dub)"66. Tori Amos, "Professional Widow (Armand Van Helden Remix)"67. Gant, "Sound Bwoy Burial (187 Lockdown Remix)"68. Hot Toddy feat. Ron Basejam, "I Need Love"69. Mat Kearney, "Nothing Left to Lose"70. Spoon, "The Mystery Zone"71. Black Dice, "Trip Dude Delay"72. Donaeo, "I'm Fly"73. The Dismemberment Plan, "You Are Invited"74. Conway, "Lisa's Got Hives"75. Joe feat. Mystikal, "Stutter"76. Brian McKnight, "Anytime"77. Dizzee Rascal, “I Luv U” 78. Radio Slave, "Grindhouse Tool"79. How to Dress Well feat. Yuksel Arslan, "Decisions"80. Blink 182, "All the Small Things"81. Bonnie Pink, "Evil and Flowers"82. Ekkehard Ehlers, "Plays John Cassavettes, Pt. 2"83. DJ Koze, "Gekloppel B2"84. Kenny Chesney, "There Goes My Life"85. Gas, "Untitled" (Königsforst, Track 5)86. Kammerflimmer Kollektief, "Unstet (Fr Jeffrey Lee Pierce)"87. Spiritualized, "Ladies and Gentlemen We Are Floating in Space" 88. Destroyer, "Hey, Snow White"89. Portabella, "Covered in Punk"90. The Notorious B.I.G., "Hypnotize"91. The Killers, "Mr. Brightside"92. Camera Obscura, "French Navy"93. Annie, "Heartbeat"94. Joy Orbison, "Hyph Mngo"95. Pulp, "Cocaine Socialism"96. Sisqo: "Thong Song" 97. Moodymann, "I Cant Kick This Feeling When It Hits"98. Together, "So Much Love to Give"99. Ida Maria, "Oh My God"100. Parts & Labor, "The Gold We're Digging"
― Michael Daddino, Saturday, 25 August 2012 20:29 (8 months ago) Permalink
Good list
― just sayin, Saturday, 25 August 2012 20:33 (8 months ago) Permalink
67.
I shoulda stuck this in there, somewhere:
― Michael Daddino, Saturday, 25 August 2012 20:41 (8 months ago) Permalink
― i know your nuts hurt! who's laughing? (contenderizer), Saturday, 25 August 2012 20:46 (8 months ago) Permalink
did pitchfork weigh the #1's and the #100's all the same or differently? just wondering
― billstevejim, Monday, 27 August 2012 04:06 (8 months ago) Permalink
differently? like one person's #1 would count for more than someone else's? how would that even work?
― some dude, Monday, 27 August 2012 04:10 (8 months ago) Permalink
michael, that is a serious fucking list.
― choom gangnam style (get bent), Monday, 27 August 2012 04:12 (8 months ago) Permalink
no i mean like, when they tallied up the submissions, did the people's #1's count more than their #2's and so on? or did the placements not matter? so like if someone had OK Computer at #1 it would count just as much as someone who had the same record at #99..
― billstevejim, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 17:34 (8 months ago) Permalink
Yeah, I'm pretty sure they did - number 1 gets 100 points, 2 99, etc etc etc.
― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 28 August 2012 17:37 (8 months ago) Permalink
if only that question had been adressed in the info
― young money color me badd (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 28 August 2012 18:16 (8 months ago) Permalink
kind of curious what other lists i&others wld have devised if this had been framed differently: 'top 100 albums 96-11 selected after you've gone for a run /when yr watching Transformers 3/when yr v cold and need the toilet'
my week of listening to 100% women (mb 98% in practice) has been pretty banging though! v pleased to discover lena platonos
― ogmor, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 22:41 (8 months ago) Permalink