Enjoying the discussion though. It's interesting.
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 20 August 2012 22:18 (eleven years ago) link
that he's looking for albums/tracks at the "rockier end of indie/Alternative rock."
Sure, but that's the very thing we've been debating and the discussion has encompassed many bands nominated.
― timellison, Monday, 20 August 2012 22:23 (eleven years ago) link
you haven't answered the question. what is your opinion of R.E.M.?
― Hellhouse, Monday, 20 August 2012 22:24 (eleven years ago) link
some of these criteria of rock put 'radio free europe' well ahead of 'back in black'
― Philip Nunez, Monday, 20 August 2012 22:37 (eleven years ago) link
i think that discussion may be more suited for the tracks poll.
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 20 August 2012 22:38 (eleven years ago) link
lol
― glumdalclitch, Monday, 20 August 2012 22:42 (eleven years ago) link
This discussion has made me realize that I actually think it's awesome that AG has made up his own genre and is polling it.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 20 August 2012 22:46 (eleven years ago) link
Nah that would put me in the same league as Chuck. I'm not worthy.
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 20 August 2012 22:51 (eleven years ago) link
I can agree that the meaning of "rock" isn't self-evident or unchanging. you know, one of the ironies of this discussion is that many of the heavy "arty" bands like Sonic Youth and Swans did not consider themselves rock bands and in fact vehemently denied that they were such. iirc, a number of punk and postpunk bands explicitly claimed to be "anti-rock". again, this is a sort of tension in the poll between how bands were seen in their historical context and how they're viewed now. a lot of the discussion then, however, was wrapped up in the very tired and stereotypical rock cliches that were still being aggressively peddled by mainstream rock bands.
― Hellhouse, Monday, 20 August 2012 22:52 (eleven years ago) link
tracks poll has way more noms than albums poll btw.I suggest you all look through your record/cd/mp3 collections and find stuff that you would want to vote for just to avoid "oh noone nominated...."
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 20 August 2012 22:53 (eleven years ago) link
hellhouse please tell me who you previously posted as! i cant work it out.
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 20 August 2012 22:54 (eleven years ago) link
Naw, I'm into it. And I vote to leave pop metal in.
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― EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 20 August 2012 22:54 (eleven years ago) link
How about if I answer your second question, which was a little more specific?
would you honestly say that they're one of the most rocking bands of the 80s?
Occasionally, yes, but maybe not according to the way that you framed it - records where "our fondness for them has everything to do with how much they rock." That strikes me as a bit of a tall order. Not everyone's going to be voting for Motorhead or something and most of the records on the list add something else to the equation.
― timellison, Monday, 20 August 2012 22:55 (eleven years ago) link
"hesher music" seems like a good enough proxy for rock that would comfortably exclude REM, if that's the goal.
― Philip Nunez, Monday, 20 August 2012 22:56 (eleven years ago) link
tim im quite happy for rem's rockiest tracks to be nominated in the tracks poll. But none of the 'big' songs seem appropriate. But im sure there will be suitable 'deep cuts' that qualify. If they dont then others will point it out.
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 20 August 2012 22:58 (eleven years ago) link
hesheris an american term not used here but doesn't it just mean metal? because this is not a metal poll.
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 20 August 2012 22:59 (eleven years ago) link
i think there's definitely a metal leaning but i feel like a hesher's spiral-bound notebook would also have zeppelin, ac/dc logos on it in ball point pen along with some dragons or a barbarian with a mace.
― Philip Nunez, Monday, 20 August 2012 23:02 (eleven years ago) link
It's kind of a metal poll in the Stairway to Hell way.
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― EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 20 August 2012 23:02 (eleven years ago) link
Definition of a 'rocking' band: One that might conceivably have done a "Johnny B Goode" cover version.
So, that even includes the Sex Pistols, by default.
― Mark G, Monday, 20 August 2012 23:02 (eleven years ago) link
like the closest an REM album cover comes to dragons or mace-wielding barbarians is monster, which is appropriately their most "rocking" album?
― Philip Nunez, Monday, 20 August 2012 23:03 (eleven years ago) link
yeah but a lot would say their worst
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 20 August 2012 23:04 (eleven years ago) link
how do R.E.M. rock in ways which have not been framed? also, this "tall order" is IMO the premise of the poll. and, yes, I agree that many of the bands add something else; often this something else takes the form of conceptual/creative aggression. that is to say, many of the "arty" bands in this list are aggressively, even violently, pushing against conventional rock forms, which is in and of itself scans as a "rock" gesture (aggressive anti-rock as rock, with Neubauten probably being the best example of a band that "rocks" in this fashion, although their inclusion, with a few notable exceptions, admittedly stretches the definition of rock being used).
― Hellhouse, Monday, 20 August 2012 23:11 (eleven years ago) link
Fables of the Reconstruction has a burning book and a weird swinging object with the image of an ear on it behind a curtain.
― timellison, Monday, 20 August 2012 23:11 (eleven years ago) link
ok if hellhouse wont say who he is i just have to assume hes BJO
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 20 August 2012 23:13 (eleven years ago) link
how do R.E.M. rock in ways which have not been framed?
No, I was just saying that their music is never rock in a really black and white sense, but that that's also true of most artists on the poll.
― timellison, Monday, 20 August 2012 23:14 (eleven years ago) link
conceptual/creative aggressive that is employed sonically.
― Hellhouse, Monday, 20 August 2012 23:14 (eleven years ago) link
ugh, "aggression" not "aggressive", fuck it, I need a break.
― Hellhouse, Monday, 20 August 2012 23:19 (eleven years ago) link
Watching Patti Smith (band) on Rockpalast, rightnow.
They rocking band, question.
― Mark G, Monday, 20 August 2012 23:23 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tM-IGFv-knI
― contenderizer, Monday, 20 August 2012 23:26 (eleven years ago) link
― Philip Nunez, Monday, August 20, 2012 3:56 PM (29 minutes ago)
doesn't really work here, cuz whatever definition we are using has to allow room for shit like swans, this heat, PIL, etc.
― contenderizer, Monday, 20 August 2012 23:28 (eleven years ago) link
"hesher music" as enjoyed by a drug-addled metalhead with a taste for arty extremes
― Mark G, Monday, August 20, 2012 4:02 PM (26 minutes ago)
this is pretty much my definition, sharpened to: "might conceivably have done a respectable 'johnny b goode' and have had it fit in comfortably with their own original material."
― contenderizer, Monday, 20 August 2012 23:32 (eleven years ago) link
no embeds pleasexps
ps tee-total non-drug taking metalhead with a taste for arty extremes here
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 20 August 2012 23:33 (eleven years ago) link
dangit, sorry AG, i forgot
― contenderizer, Monday, 20 August 2012 23:35 (eleven years ago) link
but it's pretty funny, so i'm only sort of sorry
well it stops others opening the thread who might nominate or want to take part in the discussion.
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 20 August 2012 23:40 (eleven years ago) link
cursed tubes
― contenderizer, Monday, 20 August 2012 23:42 (eleven years ago) link
always stopping all this discussion
its because on some computers the thread loads to slowly or crashes completely if there's lots of youtubes.
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 20 August 2012 23:43 (eleven years ago) link
i know, AG, and will be good to the best of my (admittedly limited) ability
― contenderizer, Monday, 20 August 2012 23:55 (eleven years ago) link
good
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Tuesday, 21 August 2012 00:15 (eleven years ago) link
Anyone want to nominate anything?
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Tuesday, 21 August 2012 00:27 (eleven years ago) link
Autopsy - Severed SurvivalReagan Youth - Volume 1
― Raoul Duke (ku4u1u), Tuesday, 21 August 2012 00:57 (eleven years ago) link
Zeni Geva - Maximum Love + Fuck
― Hellhouse, Tuesday, 21 August 2012 02:37 (eleven years ago) link
<b>Bad Religion - No Control</b>
― Marty Innerlogic, Tuesday, 21 August 2012 10:23 (eleven years ago) link
Eh...Bad Religion - No Control
if y'all are still taking noms:Nuclear Assault - Game OverStretchheads - Five Fingers, Four Thingers...Caroliner Rainbow Hernia Milk Queen - Rear End Hernia Puppet Show Caroliner Rainbow Stewed Angel Skins - I'm Armed With Quarts of Blood Pussy Galore - Right Now!David Thomas and the Pedestrians - The Sound of the SandDog Faced Hermans Every Day Timebomb
― iglu ferrignu, Tuesday, 21 August 2012 13:14 (eleven years ago) link
yep,thanks!
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Tuesday, 21 August 2012 15:20 (eleven years ago) link
bump
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 22 August 2012 10:39 (eleven years ago) link
and again
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Thursday, 23 August 2012 00:52 (eleven years ago) link