Come anticipate "The Dark Knight Rises" with *BATSPOILERS*

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I don't suppose we need to see any of it. A plausible explanation beyond it just being revealed when convenient would have been nice. Demanding plausibility in a movie like this is probably beside the point, though. Nearly nothing that happened made sense.

yeah, i wish the film had resonated for me on the grand, mythic/thematic level you're talking about. didn't.

ya i still can't figure out what the 'themes' of this movie are supposed to be... they're almost as confused as prometheus'

i mostly just liked the mood of the movie, was surprised by how much i felt the overwhelming dread just by virtue of the attack on gotham/wayne's fortune being more comprehensive than i expected so that it seemed impossible at some points for the good guys to win in the end

Which is well set up by the chase scene that leads up to the cops having Batman completely surrounded - - thought that was genuinely exciting and supported the story well, really supported Alfred's argument that Batman is biting off more than he can chew is going to fuck up horribly. Of course he made it out but it didn't feel like a daring, dashing escape against all odds, it felt more like a "fuck fuck fuck fuck FUCK, i can't believe i got out of that one, what the fuck was i thinking" kind of moment.

s1ocki otm, it's third movie syndrome for this one where they're like "welp, time to wrap up our loose ends and make this a trilogy"

btw did I mention I still liked this film, found some parts really cool, and some parts emotionally resonant

i thought they did a decent job of tying together pretty much every non-Joker plot/character from the first two movies, it was just doing that PLUS introducing multiple new antagonists PLUS "themes" that made the whole thing buckle

still find it so unbecoming that the joker wasn't even mentioned ONCE i mean come on

i kind of liked that -- gave the impression that the public never really had much of an idea of who he was and that those who did were just glad he disappeared.

fit with the inconsistent backstory "nothing in his pockets but knives and lint" lack of context from which he appeared

how could the public never have an idea who he was? he did like videoconferencing on TV

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_mFapVdwHcyE/Swzn60OI9QI/AAAAAAAAAK4/0zROz82OYHI/s1600/Photo+64.jpg

were batman and commish gordon unaware of his existence too? jesus, the amount of time this movie spent dwelling on that stupid harvey dent shit

R.I.P. some district attorney who pretended to be batman for a day

and he didn't disappear, he was captured alive!

how could the public never have an idea who he was? he did like videoconferencing on TV

― Matt Armstrong, Monday, August 13, 2012 9:51 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

tbh i forgot about Joker's televised threats. but i don't really know what people would say about the Joker in this movie that wouldn't be awkward "this guy's almost as crazy as the Joker!" type shit.

Well, setting aside the people of Gotham, there are at least a couple of ways that the Joker would seem really relevant to conversations the major characters were having, about Batman's impact on the city, its capacity for good vs. the League's conviction that it's beyond saving, etc.

Which is well set up by the chase scene that leads up to the cops having Batman completely surrounded - - thought that was genuinely exciting and supported the story well

yeah, that was the only action scene in the film that i really enjoyed in the way that i expect to enjoy superhero films: tense, thrilling and more than a little ridiculous.

i don't really know what people would say about the Joker in this movie that wouldn't be awkward "this guy's almost as crazy as the Joker!" type shit.

this.

joker was a lone nut who stuck his nose in the mob drama consuming gotham, once he was caught, the ending of the mob shit was definitely the bigger story. Part of my lack of enthusiasm with the film was that it was definitely more of a sequel to Batman Begins than the Dark Knight but shoehorning references to the dark knight that have nothing to do with the subject of the film would not have improved it.

Now if they had made the film I wanted them to, with Batman having to endure a rogues gallery of mob bosses with bizarre aesthetic tastes, THEN they should have been like "hey remember the joker"

im gonna guess all jokermention was omitted out of respect to ledger or something

this movie definitely has so many references to someone named Harvey who wasn't there that i half-expected Jimmy Stewart to show up

well the plot had nothing to do with joker anyway, but yeah, since we all know the real reason there's no joker action why bother with any gratuitous joker mention.

no mention at all is definitely preferable to covering their asses with a "the Joker died on the way to his home planet" aside

feels appropriate to the nolan batman vibe that after being caught the joker has been sitting in jail for the better part of a decade and didn't just dance out for more adventures immediately like in the comics.

i think nolan said in an interview that the joker was executed for hsi crimes

yeah i'm glad he left that out of the movie

no mention at all is definitely preferable to covering their asses with a "the Joker died on the way to his home planet" aside

― Pollopolicía (some dude), Monday, August 13, 2012 9:51 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I want this, with the Poochie animation

can we talk a bit about how mesmerizing Cillian Murphy still is in 2012

just thinking about those eyes

well the plot had nothing to do with joker anyway, but yeah, since we all know the real reason there's no joker action why bother with any gratuitous joker mention.

― da croupier, Tuesday, August 14, 2012 2:43 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Because they mention Dent so much and take such pains to make this a resolution to the "trilogy."

Dent pretty central to the story and the themes though

also wtf at Nolan saying the Joker was executed. Do u even like Batman dude

the thing I liked most about the nolan Batmans is that they didn't just murder the villains in the end, but Nolan is just like eh nevermind they get executed later

did Nolan actually say that though?

I just take whatever Hungry4Ass says as gospel

I do like the idea in Batman, or maybe just the comics, that Arkham is pretty much like a bullpen, and every once in a while there's a call up and a criminal escapes and wrecks havoc on Gotham.

Dent pretty central to the story and the themes though

― Legendary General Cypher Raige (Gukbe), Tuesday, August 14, 2012 9:03 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

WHAT STORY AND WHAT THEMES

the dent stuff and the way it relates is just soooo stupid...

http://i.imgur.com/NTWaP.jpg?1

whether you think the Dent relation is stupid or not doesn't really matter. It's there because it relates (infinite detention, etc) to the story.

it matters to me because i had to sit through 3 hours of it

The entire "we built the city's peace on a house of cards" angle only works as window-dressing and is the tie from movie 2 to movie 3, but it's such a weak tie. Bane reading Gordon's letter did nothing to the plot whatsoever. The entire "politicians and policemen need to stay honest" part of the movie was ehhhh

yeah, that stuff was just nothing.

movie needed less of that, more plane terror and Catwoman bar negotiation hijinks

Harvey Dent is the heart and soul of the entire franchise. They should retroactively insert him into the first one, Lucas-style. They should also put him in most other movies.

So has Cat Woman just been chilling in Gotham for years, or was she just passing through?

Nolan: you can't bury the truth, even with a batshovel!

Audience: what? who cares

You can bury a nuclear fusion device, but you can't bury the truth!