But it didn't matter to me at the time.
― Alba, Monday, 13 August 2012 21:48 (eleven years ago) link
oh and the fights are bad. fighting should reveal character and story. you can't see what is different between the first and second times bat and bane fight. you can't see batman thinking on his feet to get around bane's advantages. i guess going for the mask is supposed to be that, but it is presented almost accidentally.
― goole, Monday, August 13, 2012 2:56 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark
otm
― WheatusVEVO (Hungry4Ass), Monday, 13 August 2012 22:31 (eleven years ago) link
Bane knows where the secret weapons stash is because investor lady/Talia al ghul has access as trusted ally/pres of company to that info and she is his sugar mommy or whatever.
― O_o-O_O-o_O (jjjusten), Monday, 13 August 2012 22:41 (eleven years ago) link
you'd think Batman would be smart enough to target Bane's mask first time around anyway
― Number None, Monday, 13 August 2012 22:43 (eleven years ago) link
Bane knows where the secret weapons stash is because investor lady/Talia al ghul has access as trusted ally/pres of company to that info
but doesn't morgan freeman say that all that stuff is off the books and hush-hush? hence it not being nabbed by the bailiffs when wayne enterprises goes tits up.
― kmfdotm (ledge), Monday, 13 August 2012 22:45 (eleven years ago) link
mask respect mask
― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Monday, 13 August 2012 22:57 (eleven years ago) link
jesus christ people, Bane had yeeeears to track down the secrets of wayne enterprises. as it was, fox flat-out says they consolidated stuff from eight other locations and put them all in the vault. do you think he shipped them all himself, and moved them down there in the dead of night with no one watching?
― your native bacon (mh), Monday, 13 August 2012 22:58 (eleven years ago) link
To me, "it is implausible that Bane would find the vault" is dumb compared to "it makes perfect sense that Lucius Fox hid a bunch of weapon shit in a sub-basement of a corporate building over the course of over eight years and no one ever figured it out"
― your native bacon (mh), Monday, 13 August 2012 22:59 (eleven years ago) link
ok i'll admit they're equally dumb & equally acceptable in a dumb superhero movie.
― kmfdotm (ledge), Monday, 13 August 2012 23:01 (eleven years ago) link
but but but Nolan's entire schtick is "oh no it's a smart superhero movie do you see"
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Monday, 13 August 2012 23:04 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, but one of the big problems w the film, for me, was bane & talia's complete control of everything. i agree that we don't need to see their dudes infiltrating every construction crew in the city, or finding out where bats hides all his toys, but that kind of crap has to be justified somehow. not just, "oh, look, we run that. oh, look, we know that," whenever a plot progression is needed.
― contenderizer, Monday, 13 August 2012 23:04 (eleven years ago) link
Not sure I see the distinction you're making. Just how much detail of their infiltration *do* you need to see?
― Alba, Monday, 13 August 2012 23:10 (eleven years ago) link
Anyway, it's kind of nuts how all this detail has become the focus of this thread. I guess it's easier to write about than the stuff that actually matters to you if you *do* like the film: the myth, the antiheroic struggle, the weight of responsibility, the wheel of history, love repaid and not repaid, sadness about Gotham, sadness about the trilogy ending, the grandness of what Hollywood can do and perhaps won't be able to do for ever, Selina Kyle's lips …
Plot holes are all you can see when you don't see the other stuff, I get that. And maybe the other stuff's not there, maybe it's all in my head. Never mind.
― Alba, Monday, 13 August 2012 23:22 (eleven years ago) link
xp
I don't suppose we need to see any of it. A plausible explanation beyond it just being revealed when convenient would have been nice. Demanding plausibility in a movie like this is probably beside the point, though. Nearly nothing that happened made sense.
― contenderizer, Monday, 13 August 2012 23:24 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, i wish the film had resonated for me on the grand, mythic/thematic level you're talking about. didn't.
― contenderizer, Monday, 13 August 2012 23:25 (eleven years ago) link
ya i still can't figure out what the 'themes' of this movie are supposed to be... they're almost as confused as prometheus'
― Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 00:40 (eleven years ago) link
i mostly just liked the mood of the movie, was surprised by how much i felt the overwhelming dread just by virtue of the attack on gotham/wayne's fortune being more comprehensive than i expected so that it seemed impossible at some points for the good guys to win in the end
― Pollopolicía (some dude), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 00:42 (eleven years ago) link
Which is well set up by the chase scene that leads up to the cops having Batman completely surrounded - - thought that was genuinely exciting and supported the story well, really supported Alfred's argument that Batman is biting off more than he can chew is going to fuck up horribly. Of course he made it out but it didn't feel like a daring, dashing escape against all odds, it felt more like a "fuck fuck fuck fuck FUCK, i can't believe i got out of that one, what the fuck was i thinking" kind of moment.
― Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 00:45 (eleven years ago) link
s1ocki otm, it's third movie syndrome for this one where they're like "welp, time to wrap up our loose ends and make this a trilogy"
btw did I mention I still liked this film, found some parts really cool, and some parts emotionally resonant
― your native bacon (mh), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 01:33 (eleven years ago) link
i thought they did a decent job of tying together pretty much every non-Joker plot/character from the first two movies, it was just doing that PLUS introducing multiple new antagonists PLUS "themes" that made the whole thing buckle
― Pollopolicía (some dude), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 01:40 (eleven years ago) link
still find it so unbecoming that the joker wasn't even mentioned ONCE i mean come on
― Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 01:48 (eleven years ago) link
i kind of liked that -- gave the impression that the public never really had much of an idea of who he was and that those who did were just glad he disappeared.
― Pollopolicía (some dude), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 01:50 (eleven years ago) link
fit with the inconsistent backstory "nothing in his pockets but knives and lint" lack of context from which he appeared
how could the public never have an idea who he was? he did like videoconferencing on TV
― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 01:51 (eleven years ago) link
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_mFapVdwHcyE/Swzn60OI9QI/AAAAAAAAAK4/0zROz82OYHI/s1600/Photo+64.jpg
― Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 01:51 (eleven years ago) link
were batman and commish gordon unaware of his existence too? jesus, the amount of time this movie spent dwelling on that stupid harvey dent shit
R.I.P. some district attorney who pretended to be batman for a day
― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 01:52 (eleven years ago) link
and he didn't disappear, he was captured alive!
― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 01:54 (eleven years ago) link
― Matt Armstrong, Monday, August 13, 2012 9:51 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark
tbh i forgot about Joker's televised threats. but i don't really know what people would say about the Joker in this movie that wouldn't be awkward "this guy's almost as crazy as the Joker!" type shit.
― Pollopolicía (some dude), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 02:00 (eleven years ago) link
Well, setting aside the people of Gotham, there are at least a couple of ways that the Joker would seem really relevant to conversations the major characters were having, about Batman's impact on the city, its capacity for good vs. the League's conviction that it's beyond saving, etc.
― Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 02:30 (eleven years ago) link
Which is well set up by the chase scene that leads up to the cops having Batman completely surrounded - - thought that was genuinely exciting and supported the story well
yeah, that was the only action scene in the film that i really enjoyed in the way that i expect to enjoy superhero films: tense, thrilling and more than a little ridiculous.
― contenderizer, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 02:34 (eleven years ago) link
i don't really know what people would say about the Joker in this movie that wouldn't be awkward "this guy's almost as crazy as the Joker!" type shit.
this.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 02:37 (eleven years ago) link
joker was a lone nut who stuck his nose in the mob drama consuming gotham, once he was caught, the ending of the mob shit was definitely the bigger story. Part of my lack of enthusiasm with the film was that it was definitely more of a sequel to Batman Begins than the Dark Knight but shoehorning references to the dark knight that have nothing to do with the subject of the film would not have improved it.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 02:40 (eleven years ago) link
Now if they had made the film I wanted them to, with Batman having to endure a rogues gallery of mob bosses with bizarre aesthetic tastes, THEN they should have been like "hey remember the joker"
― da croupier, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 02:41 (eleven years ago) link
im gonna guess all jokermention was omitted out of respect to ledger or something
― WheatusVEVO (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 02:41 (eleven years ago) link
this movie definitely has so many references to someone named Harvey who wasn't there that i half-expected Jimmy Stewart to show up
― Pollopolicía (some dude), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 02:42 (eleven years ago) link
well the plot had nothing to do with joker anyway, but yeah, since we all know the real reason there's no joker action why bother with any gratuitous joker mention.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 02:43 (eleven years ago) link
no mention at all is definitely preferable to covering their asses with a "the Joker died on the way to his home planet" aside
― Pollopolicía (some dude), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 02:51 (eleven years ago) link
feels appropriate to the nolan batman vibe that after being caught the joker has been sitting in jail for the better part of a decade and didn't just dance out for more adventures immediately like in the comics.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 03:18 (eleven years ago) link
i think nolan said in an interview that the joker was executed for hsi crimes
― WheatusVEVO (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 03:27 (eleven years ago) link
yeah i'm glad he left that out of the movie
― da croupier, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 03:30 (eleven years ago) link
― Pollopolicía (some dude), Monday, August 13, 2012 9:51 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I want this, with the Poochie animation
― your native bacon (mh), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 04:15 (eleven years ago) link
can we talk a bit about how mesmerizing Cillian Murphy still is in 2012
― "Pffft" --buddha (silby), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 05:24 (eleven years ago) link
just thinking about those eyes
― "Pffft" --buddha (silby), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 05:25 (eleven years ago) link
― da croupier, Tuesday, August 14, 2012 2:43 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Because they mention Dent so much and take such pains to make this a resolution to the "trilogy."
― Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 15 August 2012 00:56 (eleven years ago) link
Dent pretty central to the story and the themes though
― Legendary General Cypher Raige (Gukbe), Wednesday, 15 August 2012 01:03 (eleven years ago) link
also wtf at Nolan saying the Joker was executed. Do u even like Batman dude
― Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 15 August 2012 01:06 (eleven years ago) link
the thing I liked most about the nolan Batmans is that they didn't just murder the villains in the end, but Nolan is just like eh nevermind they get executed later
― Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 15 August 2012 01:07 (eleven years ago) link
did Nolan actually say that though?
― Number None, Wednesday, 15 August 2012 01:15 (eleven years ago) link
I just take whatever Hungry4Ass says as gospel
― Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 15 August 2012 01:19 (eleven years ago) link