Better late than never. ILX 60'S POLL PART TWO - THE ALBUMS
Only a top 50 posted, less than 300 even nominated. That could probably stand to be redone at some point (no offense to Billy Dods).
― Johnny Fever, Sunday, August 12, 2012 10:30 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
lol jesus man
― Pollopolicía (some dude), Monday, 13 August 2012 13:49 (eleven years ago) link
not in favour of jf redoing it?
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 13 August 2012 14:41 (eleven years ago) link
just re-doing the exact same poll that was done less than 5 years ago, for likely a very similar result, strikes me as wasted time. maybe something like that alternate 90s poll we did a while back where every album that placed in the previous 90s poll was disqualified, would certainly make room for a different look at the 60s.
― Pollopolicía (some dude), Monday, 13 August 2012 15:02 (eleven years ago) link
I'm not in a terrible hurry to redo any poll at the present time, btw. If I were to tackle the 60s, I'd definitely go the "alt-60s" route and exempt the 50 albums that placed in the original poll.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 13 August 2012 15:05 (eleven years ago) link
contenderizer,
Coincidentally, I found a copy of Paul Roessler's Pandemonium Shadow Show Featuring Twisted Roots (1983, Iridescence) in a thrift store today and there are some serious pop keyboards on this.
― timellison, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 21:12 (eleven years ago) link
Has Kira on bass, Dix Denney of the Weirdos on guitar.
― timellison, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 21:18 (eleven years ago) link
Gerber on vocals
― timellison, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 21:23 (eleven years ago) link
bump for new nominations?
― Mordy, Thursday, 16 August 2012 04:14 (eleven years ago) link
― timellison, Tuesday, August 14, 2012 2:12 PM (Yesterday)
how have i not heard of this?
...just spent a few minutes looking. doesn't appear to be avail for download anywhere :(
― contenderizer, Thursday, 16 August 2012 04:26 (eleven years ago) link
http://images.buyninjacostumes.com/leonardo-turtle-costume.jpg???
― contenderizer, Thursday, 16 August 2012 04:44 (eleven years ago) link
I was under the impression that the poll was on its way to being killed by a death by a thousand cuts when it suddenly imploded. in the event of zombie resurrection:
Glenn Branca - Lesson No. 1Ike Yard - s/t Prong - Primitive OriginsSuicide - Half Alive
― Hellhouse, Thursday, 16 August 2012 13:13 (eleven years ago) link
I guess if Bruce is out then John Cougar Mellencamp is too?
― o. nate, Thursday, 16 August 2012 15:12 (eleven years ago) link
80% of the postmortem conveniently written already:
The concept of a 'Taste Vocabulary' - unread
― Hellhouse, Thursday, 16 August 2012 15:26 (eleven years ago) link
hah.
Can we have more nominations please? No point in opening voting until the electronic poll voting has stopped as it would be unfair on them incase people want to vote in both
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Friday, 17 August 2012 15:38 (eleven years ago) link
Assuming there is enough people interested in voting?
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Friday, 17 August 2012 16:20 (eleven years ago) link
you may need to make an official pronouncement vigorously disputing the notion that the poll is sorry sack of death. also, while I don't feel that your aesthetic parameters are particularly oddball, have you considered letting people nominate literally any 80s album they think rocks, leaving it to the voters to sort? or, otoh, actually making the poll narrower (eg metal/punk/noise rock)? just my .02.
― Hellhouse, Friday, 17 August 2012 21:27 (eleven years ago) link
no
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Friday, 17 August 2012 22:12 (eleven years ago) link
just to be clear, I like the general idea of the poll (and was also just making a bad joke about the poll's limbo status). also, pop is obv the main focus of ILM, and I understand wanting to stick w/a rock poll. other people seem v. confused by the criteria, tho, and I threw those ideas out there to address that. nbd
― Hellhouse, Friday, 17 August 2012 22:40 (eleven years ago) link
yeah I know its cool. Nominations are always a bit slow until theres an end date.Thread does need to have chat though to keep it on SNA so people are reminded.
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Friday, 17 August 2012 22:43 (eleven years ago) link
I don't really see any place for someone like me in this poll. I listen to rock. I'd say there was a point in my life when I listened to MOSTLY rock. However, a bunch of the college rock shit I'd nominate has already been nominated and there's not much point in nominating hair metal that no one will vote for besides me and maybe two or three other people.
Of course, I'd consider Siouxsie to be a rock band (if you've only ever heard "Peek A Boo" or whatever, I'd understand your inclination to say no). And Pretenders (especially album #1). And Bryan Adams's Reckless, which was one of 1984's best mainstream rock albums.
But this was never really a poll about rock music. It was a poll about was AG considers rock music. Instead, I think we should all show up at his house and letter-grade his cd collection.
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 17 August 2012 22:50 (eleven years ago) link
no it isn't. its about a different poll from the usual already been done 80s rock poll that Rolling Stone likes to do
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Saturday, 18 August 2012 00:25 (eleven years ago) link
bump
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Saturday, 18 August 2012 19:32 (eleven years ago) link
ok i guess now the electronic poll is underway then this is the last week for nominations.
perhaps a kindly mod would add nominations close sunday night to the title?
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 20 August 2012 08:47 (eleven years ago) link
― Johnny Fever, Friday, August 17, 2012 11:50 PM (3 days ago)
the way the poll is framed might seem a bit clunky like 'rock' vs 'music that rocks' or whatever, but it makes sense if you think in terms of spirit rather than genre
there is enough of an envelope to cover most of this stuff (except the pop end metal)
it was a protean age when the lines between genres weren't quite so blurred, but there was a definite sort of harshness, an irrationalism, a dyonysian trend that you can trace through the young gods to live skull to early sonic youth to spacemen 3 to napalm death and so forth
to that extent, it is correct to exclude music which is not a part of that tendency
― A.R.R.Y. Kane (nakhchivan), Monday, 20 August 2012 12:49 (eleven years ago) link
I tried adding "noms close" info to the thread title, but the title is already so long I just get an error message. If you write a thread title that gets closing date into the current number of characters, I can make the edit.
― Romney's Kitchen Nightmares (WmC), Monday, 20 August 2012 14:47 (eleven years ago) link
think some sort of brevity might be in order
PFUNKBOY IN ROCKPOLL NOMS CLOSE SHOCKAH
― A.R.R.Y. Kane (nakhchivan), Monday, 20 August 2012 14:49 (eleven years ago) link
How about shortening it just toNominations for an 80s Albums That Rock Poll(inc indie/Alt,punk,metal,heavy/glam etc) CLOSES SUNDAY NIGHT MIDNIGHT UK?
Thanks
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 20 August 2012 14:51 (eleven years ago) link
it was a protean age when the lines between genres weren't quite so blurred, but there was a definite sort of harshness, an irrationalism, a dyonysian trend that you can trace through the young gods to live skull to early sonic youth to spacemen 3 to napalm death and so forthto that extent, it is correct to exclude music which is not a part of that tendency
He took the words right outta my mouth..
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 20 August 2012 14:52 (eleven years ago) link
"Except[ing] the pop end of metal" kind of weakens this, though, since it is included. (I would also query the exclusion of stuff like Run DMC and Beastie Boys, given some of the things that are included.)
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 20 August 2012 15:03 (eleven years ago) link
no i don't think run dmc and beasties really fit here at all
the pop metal stuff....i think you have to include gnr in this somehow, if only as the sort of negative-image, and because when you disregard narcissism of smallish differences there are definite similarities with jane's addiction, who certainly belong here
the rest of the glam stuff i wouldn't include but i don't really care, and i don't think that stuff is going to be that highly represented in the results
― A.R.R.Y. Kane (nakhchivan), Monday, 20 August 2012 15:08 (eleven years ago) link
Thanks WmC
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 20 August 2012 15:12 (eleven years ago) link
there is also something dialectical and hilarious about including these two, and excluding REM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alKM2Y1XxWU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0eVTeQi06c
― A.R.R.Y. Kane (nakhchivan), Monday, 20 August 2012 15:17 (eleven years ago) link
R.E.M. are more rational and less Dionysian because Peter Buck played a Rickenbacker.
― timellison, Monday, 20 August 2012 15:47 (eleven years ago) link
peter buck reserves his dionysian side for scraps with airline staff
― A.R.R.Y. Kane (nakhchivan), Monday, 20 August 2012 15:51 (eleven years ago) link
tim quit trolling and positively contribute by nominating albums that fit the criteria
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 20 August 2012 15:56 (eleven years ago) link
450 Albums Nominated so far
AC/DC - Back in BlackAdolescents - AdolescentsAerosmith - PumpAgent Orange - Living in DarknessAnthrax - Among The LivingAppliances-SFB - SFBAppliances-SFB - SFBAvengers - AvengersBad Brains - Bad BrainsBad Brains - I Against IBad Brains - s/tBad Religion - SufferBand of Susans - Love AgendaBand of Susans- Hope Against HopeBastro - Diablo GuapoBathory - Under The Sign Of The Black MarkBauhaus - Burning From The InsideBauhaus - In The Flat FieldBauhaus - MaskBauhaus - The Sky'S Gone OutBig Black - AtomizerBig Black - Songs About FuckingBig Boys/Dicks - Recorded Live at Raul's ClubBig Boys/Dicks - Recorded Live at Raul's ClubBilly Idol - Rebel YellBirthday Party - JunkyardBitch Magnet - UmberBlack Flag - DamagedBlack Flag - In My HeadBlack Flag - Jealous AgainBlack Flag - My WarBlack Flag - Slip It InBlack Sabbath - Heaven And HellBlack Sabbath - Mob RulesBlind Idiot God - s/tBlind Idiot God - UndertowBlue Oyster Cult - Cultosaurus ErectusBon Jovi - Slippery When WetBoredoms - Soul DischargeButthole Surfers - A Brown Reason To LiveButthole Surfers - Hairway to StevenButthole Surfers - Locust Abortion TechnicianButthole Surfers - Psychic... Powerless... Another Man'S SacButthole Surfers - Rembrandt PussyhorseCandlemass - Epicus Doomicus MetallicusCandlemass -NightfallCapt Beefheart - Doc at the Radar StationCapt Beefheart - Ice Cream for CrowCarcass - Symphonies of SicknessCelibate Rifles - The Turgid Miasma of ExistenceCeltic Frost - Into the PandemoniumCeltic Frost - Morbid TalesCeltic Frost - To Mega TherionCheap Trick - One On OneChristian Death - Only Theatre of PainChrome - Blood on the MoonChrome - Red ExposureChrome - Third From the SunCircle Jerks - Group SexCondemned to Death - Diary of a Love MonsterCondemned to Death - Diary of a Love MonsterCop Shoot Cop - Headkick FacsimileCoroner - No More ColorCoroner - Punishment for DecadenceCoroner - R.I.P.Corrosion of Conformity - AnimosityCosmic Psychos - Go the HackCouch Potatoes - Curiosity RocksCouch Potatoes - Curiosity Rockscows - daddy has a tailCramps - Psychedelic JungleCramps - Smell Of FemaleCramps - Songs The Lord Taught UsCrash Course in Science - Signals from Pier 13crass - christ - the albumCrass - Penis EnvyCrass - Yes Sir I WillCro-Mags - Best WishesCro-Mags - The Age of QuarrelCryptic Slaughter - Money TalksD.R.I. - CrossoverD.R.I. - Dealing With ItDAF - Die Kleinen und die BosenDark Angel - Darkness DescendsDas Damen - MousetrapDas Damen - TriskaidekaphobeDead Kennedys - Fresh Fruit For Rotten VegetablesDead Milkmen - BeelzebubbaDeath - LeprosyDeath - Scream Bloody GoreDeath Angel - The Ultra-ViolenceDeath in June - Brown BookDeath in June - The Guilty Have No PrideDef Leppard - HysteriaDef Leppard - On Through the NightDef Leppard - PyromaniaDescendents - I Don't Want to Grow UpDescendents - I Don't Want to Grow UpDescendents - Milo Goes To CollegeDescendents - Milo Goes To CollegeDiamond Head - Lightning to the NationsDidjits - Hey JudesterDie Kreuzen - S/TDinosaur - S/TDinosaur Jr - BugDinosaur Jr - You're Living All Over MeDio - Holy DiverDio - Last In LineDischarge - Hear Nothing, See Nothing, Say NothingDNA - A Taste of DNADog Faced Hermans - Humans FlyDogs D'Amour - In the Dynamite Jet SaloonDream Syndicate - The Days of Wine and RosesDrunks with Guns - Drunks with GunsDwarves - Horror StoriesDwarves - Tooling for a Warm TeabagEinsturzende Neubauten - Drawings Of OtEinsturzende Neubauten - Fuenf Auf Der Nach Oben Offenen RichterskalaEinsturzende Neubauten - Halber MenschEinsturzende Neubauten – Haus der LügeEinsturzende Neubauten - KollapsElectro Hippies - The Only Good Punk... Is A Dead OneEmbrace - EmbraceEnglish Dogs - Forward Into BattleExciter - Long Live the LoudExodus - Bonded By BloodExodus - Fabulous DisasterExtreme Noise Terror - A Holocaust in Your HeadF/i - Out of Space & Out of TimeF/I - Space MantraFaith No More - Introduce YourselfFaith No More - The Real ThingFear - The RecordFire Party - s/tfIREHOSE - Ragin', Full OnFishbone - Truth and SoulFlesheaters - A Minute To Pray A Second To DieFlipper - Generic FlipperFoetus Interruptus - ThawFugazi - FugaziFugazi - Margin WalkerFushitsusha - Live IGame Theory - Big Shot ChroniclesGeorge Thorogood & The Destroyers - Bad to the BoneGirl Trouble - Hit It or Quit ItGirlschool - Demolition Glenn Branca - Lesson No. 1Glenn Branca - The AscensionGodflesh - StreetcleanerGore - Mean Man’s DreamGrong Grong - S/TGuess Papers - We Got 'EmGuns N' Roses - Appetite For DestructionHalo of Flies - GarbageburnHalo Of Flies - Singles Going NowhereHanoi Rocks - Bangkok Shocks, Saigon Shakes, Hanoi Rocks Head Of David - DustbowlHead Of David - Head Of DavidHelios Creed - Superior Catholic FingerHelios Creed - The Last LaughHusker Du - Candy Apple GreyHusker Du - Flip Your WigHusker Du - Metal CircusHusker Du - New day RisingHusker Du - Zen ArcadeIcons of Filth - Onward Christian SoldiersIcons of Filth - Onward Christian SoldiersIggy Pop - InstinctIke Yard - s/tIron Maiden - KillersIron Maiden - Number Of The BeastIron Maiden - Piece of MindIron Maiden - PowerslaveIron Maiden - s/tJane's Addiction - Nothing's ShockingJim Carroll Band - Catholic BoyJim Carroll Band - Catholic BoyJoan Jett - Bad reputationJon Wayne - Texas FuneralJourney - DepartureJourney - EscapeJudas Priest - British SteelJudas Priest - Defenders of the FaithJudas Priest - Screaming For VengeanceKilldozer - Intellectuals Are The Shoeshine Boys Of The Ruling EliteKilldozer - Snake BoyKilling Joke - Killing JokeKilling Joke - Night TimeKilling Joke - What's THIS For...!Kilslug - Answer The CallKing Crimson - DisciplineKing Diamond - AbigailKix - Blow My FuseKix - s/tKreator - Pleasure To KillLast Exit - KölnLazy Cowgirls - Tapping the SourceLemonheads - Hate Your FriendsLime Spiders - HeadcleanerLita Ford - Out For BloodLive Skull - Bringing Home The BaitLive Skull - Cloud OneLive Skull - Don't Get Any on YouLive Skull - DustedLive Skull - S/TLiving Colour - VividLoop - Black SunLoop - The World in Your EyesLoop: - Fade Out Loverboy - Get LuckyLubricated Goat - Paddock Of LoveLyres - Lyres LyresMacabre - GloomManilla Road - Crystal LogicManilla Road - The DelugeManowar - Fighting The WorldManowar - Sign of the HammerMars - 78Massacre - Killing TimeMasters Of Reality- Masters Of RealityMayhem - DeathcrushMeat Puppets- IIMegadeth - Killing Is My Business... and Business Is Good!Megadeth - Peace Sells...But Who's Buying?Megadeth - So Far, So Good... So WhatMelvins - Gluey Porch TreatmentsMelvins - OzmaMercyful Fate - MelissaMetallica - ...And Justice For AllMetallica - Kill 'Em AllMetallica - Master of PuppetsMetallica - Ride The LightningMinistry - The Land of Rape and HoneyMinistry - The Mind Is A Terrible Thing To TasteMinistry - TwitchMinor Threat - Minor ThreatMinor Threat - out of stepMinutemen – Double Nickels on the DimeMinutemen - The Punch LineMinutemen - What Makes a Man Start Fires?Misfits - BewareMisfits - Earth AdMisfits - Legacy Of BrutalityMission of Burma - Signals, Calls, and MarchesMission of Burma - Vs.Monster Magnet - Forget About Life I'M High On DopeMorbid Angel - Altars Of MadnessMotley Crue - Dr. FeelgoodMotley Crue - Shout At The DevilMotley Crue - Too Fast For LoveMotorhead - Ace of SpadesMotorhead - Another Perfect DayMotorhead - OrgasmatronMudhoney - Superfuzz BigmuffMX-80 Sound - Out Of The TunnelMy Bloody Valentine - Isn't AnythingN.W.A. - Straight Outta ComptonNaked City - Naked CityNaked Raygun - JettisonNaked Raygun - Throb ThrobNapalm Death - From Enslavement To ObliterationNapalm Death - ScumNeil Young & Crazy Horse - Re*Ac*TorNeurosis - Pain of MindNew Model Army - No Rest for the WickedNick Cave + The Bad Seeds - Firstborn Is DeadNick Cave + the Bad Seeds - From Her to EternityNick Cave + The Bad Seeds - Your Funeral, My TrialNine Inch Nails - Pretty Hate MachineNirvana - BleachNitzer Ebb - ShowtimeNo Trend – When Death Won'T Solve Your ProblemNoMeansNo - WrongObituary - Slowly We RotOperation Ivy - EnergyPagans - Buried AlivePantera - Power MetalPaul Chain - Violet Art Of ImprovisationPaul Chain Violet Theatre - Detaching From Satan EPpil - flowers of romancePixies - Come On PilgrimPixies - DoolittlePixies - Surfer RosaPlasmatics - Beyond the Valley of 1984Plasmatics - Beyond the Valley of 1984plugz - better luckPoison - Open Up And Say...Ahhh!Poison Idea - Kings of PunkPop Group - For How Much Longer Do We Tolerate Mass MurderPossessed - Seven ChurchesPrimus - Suck On ThisProng - Force FedProng - Primitive OriginsPsychedelic Furs - Talk Talk TalkPsychic TV - A Pagan DayPsychic TV - Mouth of the NightPussy Galore - Dial 'M' for MotherfuckerPussy Galore - Sugarshit SharpQueensryche - Operation: MindcrimeRaging Slab - Raging SlabRamones - End of the CenturyRapeman - Two Nuns and a Pack MuleRaw Power - Screams From the GutterRed Hot Chili Peppers - Freaky StyleyRed Hot Chili Peppers - Mothers MilkRed Hot Chili Peppers - Uplift Mofo Party PlanRedd Kross - NeuroticaReplacements - Let It BeReplacements - Sorry Ma, Forgot To Take Out The TrashRepulsion - HorrifiedRhys Chatham - Die DonnergotterRites Of Spring - End on EndRoyal Trux - Royal TruxRudimentary Peni - Death ChurchRudimentary Peni - Death ChurchRush - Moving PicturesSaccharine Trust - Pagan IconsSaccharine Trust-Surviving You, AlwaysSaint Vitus - Born Too LateSaint Vitus - Saint VitusSaint Vitus - VScientists - This Heart Doesn'T Run On Blood, This Heart Doesn'T Run On LoveScientists - Weird LoveScorpions - Love At First StingScraping Foetus Off The Wheel - HoleScraping Foetus Off The Wheel – NailScratch Acid - Just Keep EatingScratch Acid - s/t Screaming Trees - Buzz FactoryScreaming Trees - Even If & Especially WhenSeptic Death - Now That I Have the Attention, What Do I Do with It?Sepultura - Beneath the RemainsSisters Of Mercy - First And Last And AlwaysSisters of Mercy - Floodland Skid Row - Skid RowSkinny Puppy - Cleanse Fold And ManipulateSkinny Puppy - Mind: The Perpetual IntercourseSkinny Puppy - VIVIsectVISkullflower - Form DestroyerSlayer - Hell AwaitsSlayer - Reign in BloodSlayer - South Of HeavenSlint - TweezSlovenly - We Shoot For the MoonSnakefinger - Greener PosturesSnatches of Pink - Dead MenSocial Distortion - Mommy's Little MonsterSocial Distortion - Prison BoundSodom - Agent OrangeSonic Youth - Confusion Is SexSonic Youth - EvolSonic Youth - SisterSonny Sharrock - GuitarSore Throat - Death to Capitalist HardcoreSoul Asylum - Hang TimeSoundgarden - Louder Than LoveSoundgarden - Ultra Mega OKSpacemen 3 - Playing With FireSpacemen 3 - Sound of ConfusionSpacemen 3 - The Perfect PrescriptionSPK - Auto-Da-FeSPK - Auto-Da-FeSquirrel Bait - Skag HeavenSquirrel Bait - Squirrel BaitSteve Jones - Fire and GasolineStormtroopers of Death - Speak English or DieSuicidal Tendencies - S/TSuicide - Half AliveSwans - Children Of GodSwans - CopSwans - FilthSwans - Public Castration Is A Good IdeaSwans - S/TSwans - Young GodTerrorizer - World DownfallTest Dept. - Ecstacy Under DuressTestament - The LegacyTestament - The New OrderThe Birthday Party - Prayers on FireThe Crucifucks - s/tThe Crucifucks - s/tThe Cult - ElectricThe Cult - LoveThe Cynics - Blue Train Stationthe ex - 1936 spanish revolutionThe Fall - Hex Enduction HouirThe Fall - Perverted by LanguageThe Fall - This Nation's Saving GraceThe Fluid - Clear Black PaperThe Fuzztones - Lysergic EmanationsThe Gories - House Rockin'The Gun Club - Fire of LoveThe Gun Club - The Las Vegas StoryThe Jesus And Mary Chain - AutomaticThe Jesus And Mary Chain - PsychocandyThe Jesus Lizard - PureThe Left - Hell It's the EarthThe Left - Hell It's the EarthThe Lords of the New Church - The Method to Our MadnessThe Meatmen - We're The Meatmen...and You Suck!!The Misfits - Walk Among UsThe Nomads - OutburstThe Primitives - Lazy 86-88The Ramones - Pleasant DreamsThe Scientists - Blood Red RiverThe Screaming Blue Messiahs - GunshyThe Screaming Blue Messiahs - Totally ReligiousThe Sound -JeopardyThe Telescopes - TasteThe Wedding Present - BizarroThee Mighty Caesars - English Punk Rock ExplosionThin Lizzy - Thunder and LightningThin White Rope - MoonheadThis Heat - DeceitThree Johns - Atom Drum BopThrowing Muses - s/tThrowing Muses - The Real RamonaTin Machine - Tin MachineTrouble - Psalm 9TSOL - Change Today?Twisted Sister - Stay HungryUnion Carbide Productions - In the Air TonightUt - ConvictionVan Halen - 1984Van Halen - Women and Children FirstVenom - PossessedVenom - Welcome to HellVoid/Faith Split LPVoivod - Dimension HatrossVoivod - Killing TechnologyVoivod - NothingfaceWarrant - Dirty Rotten Filthy Stinking RichWASP - WASPWhitesnake - Slip of the TongueWhitesnake - WhitesnakeWipers - Is This RealWipers - Over The EdgeWipers - Youth Of AmericaWitchfinder General - Death PenaltyWolfhounds - Bright & GuiltyX - Los AngelesX - Wild GiftY&T - Open FireYes - Big GeneratorYes - DramaYoung Gods - L'eau RougeYoung Gods - s/tZero Boys - Vicious CircleZoogz Rift - Amputees in LimboZZ Top - Eliminator
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 20 August 2012 16:17 (eleven years ago) link
oh wait theres a few doubles there. Will fix up spreadsheet
Noone seems in favour of keeping the popmetal
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 20 August 2012 16:29 (eleven years ago) link
thoughts?
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 20 August 2012 16:30 (eleven years ago) link
the rest of the glam stuff i wouldn't include
Why, though? Because pop invades too much?
I'm not sure equating "harshness" with "absence of pop" is something that holds up. Are the Pixies harsher than R.E.M. because they were less pop? It seems to me that they are included, then, merely because they might have been less committed to pop (and not necessarily more committed to anything else).
xp
― timellison, Monday, 20 August 2012 16:38 (eleven years ago) link
personally ive no problem with it being included even though i wont be voting for it.
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 20 August 2012 16:39 (eleven years ago) link
pixies were more pop than rem, also more corrosive, more interesting &c &c
― A.R.R.Y. Kane (nakhchivan), Monday, 20 August 2012 16:45 (eleven years ago) link
i) I don't think it's fair to say that Tim is trolling! The points he's making seem fair to me.
ii) I don't think there's any way in which the Pixies were more pop than REM.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 20 August 2012 16:50 (eleven years ago) link
Like, "rational" and "Dionysian" seem like pretty vague and subjective terms for what we're talking about. I've never thought of Flowers of Romance (or even Ragin' Full On, which I nominated, or the Rush albums) as "Dionysian".
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 20 August 2012 16:53 (eleven years ago) link
oh come on his comments about rickenbackers that he repeats is trolling
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 20 August 2012 16:54 (eleven years ago) link
'Are the Pixies harsher than R.E.M. because they were less pop?' is prima facie a stupid question
― A.R.R.Y. Kane (nakhchivan), Monday, 20 August 2012 16:54 (eleven years ago) link
oh come on flowers of romance is dionysian as fuck
― A.R.R.Y. Kane (nakhchivan), Monday, 20 August 2012 16:55 (eleven years ago) link
(Yet, weirdly, I kind of like including pop metal in an "80s music that rocks" poll! It does seem to complicate the definitions though, from an objective pov.)
xposts
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 20 August 2012 16:56 (eleven years ago) link
i don't think it complicates definitions at all unless you labour under the misapprehension that there is some concrete and obtainable taxonomy of all god's musics
― A.R.R.Y. Kane (nakhchivan), Monday, 20 August 2012 16:59 (eleven years ago) link
Who wants pop metal out?Who wants pop metal kept in?
Taste shouldn't be part of your decision.
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 20 August 2012 17:00 (eleven years ago) link