Creedence Clearwater Revival vs the Grateful Dead vs the Band

i meant to write the dead in that last sentence.

only one of these bands has ramble tamble

and only one has Doug Clifford

Want to vote for The Band. I never got into CCR beyond their singles/best of comps. Where does one start w/them regarding full-lenghts & deep cuts?

"Ramble Tamble" is, for me, their greatest song, which is saying a lot. I wouldn't be surprised if there are a fair number of people who love them from the radio and/or Chronicle who don't know it. I may have heard it on the classic-rock station once or twice in my life.

(Wrote that before Darin posted--wasn't a specific response to him.)

but it is the answer
find cosmo's factory, put that shit on and boogie

Creedence Clearwater Revival every gd time

― Gurdas Mane (crüt), Thursday, August 9, 2012 9:24 PM (Yesterday)

on the real, though, the polls of 3 tenuously connected bands, this shit is terrible, i hope this is the last one.

it's called curating, i thought you were supposed to be a 90s nerd

I can't choogle to The Band or The Dead.

As crut says, Creedence Clearwater Revival every gd time

Yeah, but "Up on Cripple Creek" is like deep funk so it's not like all is lost.

it's called curating, i thought you were supposed to be a 90s nerd

― j., Friday, August 10, 2012 12:44 AM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark

you're just, like, typing words here, they don't actually mean anything, right

the Dead in 72 sound like the Band

"Sugar Magnolia" can choogle

voted CCR of course

CCR. No brainer. Ramble Tamble & Fortunate Son vs most other bands catalogues. CCR vs Neil Young. Now there's a tough call...

most everybody in this thread otm. good work, people.

you're just, like, typing words here, they don't actually mean anything, right

i can't even tell the difference anymore

The Dead. The Band had a few good songs. Creedence is undeniably classic. But classic like the national anthem or the happy birthday song or something. I don't necessarily need to hear it anymore. I tried to get into their albums hoping to be surprised but it was just the hits I've heard on the radio since birth plus some not very good covers and assorted filler.

I never knew Doug Clifford made a solo album in 1972. Just found it online and it's...interesting. Kind of like Tom Fogerty's solo stuff. There's a definite CCR undercurrent to it, but it goes off in wild directions.

I voted Creedence because they were astonishingly consistent - even during the early Golliwogs days - up to (but not really including) their last album. But even that last album - Mardi Gras - suffered only because John Fogerty was persuaded to let the others write. His stuff was still amazing. They also get nods for holding up really well, despite the fact that many considered them only a step above the Monkees (who were also great at the time.)

The Grateful Dead were the most wasteful band in rock and roll - about an album's worth of good material, in my opinion. They don't hold up well.

The Band's first two albums were probably better than any of CCR's albums, but they lose for the steep fall-off in quality after that.

CCR gets bonus points (not that they need any) for being a band pretty much carried entirely by one major figure / songwriter. The Band had several and the Grateful Dead barely had songs, and they still had about 15 "songwriters." That Fogerty could keep up with his peers (songwise) all by his lonesome self is amazing. Few songwriters of any era managed that level of prolificness and quality without a foil of some sort.

I listen to the Grateful dead a lot more than either of the others but they were all great in '68-70 weren't they?
Love Bayou Country & S/t(2nd), actually first 5 CCR come to thinkof things & probably MFBP too.
but overall I do listen to GD much more than the others.

Is there anything in the band's catalog correlates to a bitchin china cat>rider?

well, american beauty/workingman's dead owe a p large (and iirc acknowledged) debt to the band's first two recs

and the band's disco funk version of mystery train totally anticipates the dead's dancing in the street workouts

pretty sure the dead were doing 'dancing' in '71/'72? i feel like they stop doing it for a couple years and then it gets revived in that arrangement that shows up on 'terrapin'. i don't know, though. anyway my suggested three tenuously connected bands were better.

we should always have a grateful dead poll going, anyway

yeah, the dead were doing dancing in the sixties as a looooong psych freak work out (there's an amazing version on Dick's Picks #8 from 1970). They dropped it from the set list for a while, and when they took it up again post-1975 it had become MUCH more disco.

i mean obv plenty of mid-seventies rock bands w/ a fondness for cocaine went disco, but it's always seemed to me that the dead took an awful lot of cues from the band (not that they were alone in that, either)

CCR had such a great run over a short space of time and I've never heard any Band albums past the first two but I recently watched the 'Classic Albums' episode on the s/t and I came around to thinking that it really is one of the 20 or so best records ever, just a towering achievement of songwriting and musical interplay. So I think I'm voting The Band.

As for the Dead, I've tried to get into them, on paper they should be right up my street but nothing I've heard really clicks with me - I don't hate them by any means, I'm just indifferent.

All 3 have a lot going for them, but for me it's The Band >> CCR >>>> The Dead.
And as I've said on other threads, my love for The Band is mainly based on the first 2 albums but y'know, it's a hell of a first 2 albums.

CCR choogled. No other band, ever, choogled. Voted CCR.

i have to admit i've never understood 'choogling', it sounds like something thomas the tank engine would do

Thomas he's the cheeky one
James is vain but lots of fun
Percy pulls the mail on time
Gordon choogles down the line

they're the really useful CCRew

speaking of trains though, Casey Jones kinda choogles.

Nope

Choogleometer says: NO

I think a well chosen 80-minute CDR of each would be enough for me for life, but in frequency of listening to those CDRs it'd be Band/CCR (tie) >>>>>>> Dead. I do love Grayfolded though.

Flipped a coin and voted The Band.

The take of "Big Railroad Blues" on The Grateful Dead aka Skullfuck choogles like a mother.
Don't worry, I still voted CCR.

I think the Dead are attempting to choogle on "Turn On Your Lovelight" on this '68 show I'm listening to. Christ do I ever hate "Turn On Your Lovelight"

Yeah, you know, that's probably one of my least favorite of theirs.

^ *covers ears* La-la-la I'm not listening to you.

i would be safely in the pro-lovelight camp if pigpen's monologues didn't often sound like he was exhorting members of the audience to carry out some sort of sexual assault

DOOT DOOT DOOOOOOOO I'm not listening to you xpost

My equivalent of "Lovelight" for CCR would be their "Grapevine" cover. I know many people love it--to me, it runs counter to everything that's great about CCR.

ditto.

i would be safely in the pro-lovelight camp if pigpen's monologues didn't often sound like he was exhorting members of the audience to carry out some sort of sexual assault

lol, total truth bomb. it's a shame, cos some of the looong lovelights have really great garcia solos on 'em.

xpost Yeah, compare what Creedence does to the Marvin Gaye song with how the Dead murders the Merle Haggard. CCR turns this perfect pop song into an ecstatic jam, the Dead stretch Merle out into a dirge.

See, CCRs Grapevine feels like a dirge to me.

Suzy Q and Spell on You were good, but Grapevine scrapes across my ears and is no fun at all to listen to.

Speaking of CCR and Booker T, check out who's checking out the MG's from side-stage here. I believe they're saying, "This song is absolutely a choogle."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbBcXvKvB08

booker t - CCR choogle jamz here: http://bigozine2.com/roio/?p=839

I wish those Booker T & CCR jams went anywhere. More noodlin' than chooglin'.

damn, is it not worth checking out?

Yeah, choogle choogles with a purpose. xp

the choogles aren't mindblowing but they're a good time!

I thought chooglin was all about the groove, not the destination.

chooglin' to damascus

boogie-woogie choogle boy

the choogle is in you

let me choogle that for you

I like my choogles to be more exclamatory than aimless.

Choogling is like good krautrock that way. It might take eight or nine minutes to get there, but you're definitely going somewhere. Probably by train if you're choogling.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4twvM3mNAuU

^ original nu-metal

Dig, if you will, Rasputina's cover of "Bad Moon Rising."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4J-l8DDH78