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"Volcano Girls" was dandy. Second/third/fourth whatever Local H. They've got a new album coming out named after P.J. Soles!

Urge Overkill and Weezer are gods among men.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 14 March 2004 17:40 (twenty years ago) link

"'hmmm do The God Machine count?'
No. They were too separate and genius and wonderful.

-- Ned Raggett"

Exactly.

Do Mogwai count? 'Cause I have to tell you, Like Herod owns anything any grunge band ever produced.

Stupid (Stupid), Sunday, 14 March 2004 18:21 (twenty years ago) link

Oh, and apparently Tool and Deftones are also post-grunge bands, and they both rule.

Stupid (Stupid), Sunday, 14 March 2004 18:29 (twenty years ago) link

Tool predated and pursued its own muse without reference to grunge -- they and Fuckups Against the Machine were lumped in with it all due to timing.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 14 March 2004 18:45 (twenty years ago) link

Well Phaseshifter by Redd Kross was pretty grungey to my ears. And no grunger should be without it.

If anything, "Grunge" sounds like Redd Kross, not the other way around.

http://www.rockometer.com/photos/reddkross.gif

Redd Kross in 1987!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 14 March 2004 19:22 (twenty years ago) link

wow, some other ilxers like Local H? I was expecting to get slammed on that one... Perhaps I should mention my abiding love for Pearl Jam to make up for it.

dieblucasdie (dieblucasdie), Sunday, 14 March 2004 19:47 (twenty years ago) link

yeah that will make some of us back away slowly. smiling, but still backing away.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 14 March 2004 19:57 (twenty years ago) link

Destroy Kiddie Lite Grunge such as Bush, Foo Fighters, Moist.
Exterminate Old Fart Grunge Revival bands such as Creed...

Rodney X, Sunday, 14 March 2004 20:13 (twenty years ago) link

Ruth Ruth could be really great (especially on their first album,
and specifically especially in the song "Uninvited").
Many people up above are right about Local H and *Pinkerton.*
"Gel" by Collective Soul was one of the great '90s rock singles.
"Far Behind" by Candlebox was surprisingly good, too, especially the
ending part where the singer turned into Axl Rose.
Also very good in a Pyschedelic Furs way almost was "Molly" by Sponge
(how come nobody remembers THEM? They had okay album tracks, too!)
Also, I kind of liked that Silverchair song about a bathroom where
there is no sink and the water from the tap is very very hard
to drink, so where the hell is the tap, in the bathtub?? Weird!!!

chuck, Sunday, 14 March 2004 22:04 (twenty years ago) link

well the water from the tap is certainly very hard to drink if there is no tap!

stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 14 March 2004 22:06 (twenty years ago) link

"Uninvited" by Ruth Ruth is GREAT!

I wouldn't call Mudhoney "post-grunge", being that they're the definite article to the bone.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 14 March 2004 22:16 (twenty years ago) link

Oh come on. Mudhoney was the band I drove to Ann Arbor to see in 1989 and couldn't wait for the show to end, cause I was thinking "why the hell has EVERY SEATTLE BAND FOR THE PAST FOUR YEARS SOUNDED EXACTLY THE SAME?" A slight exagerration maybe (not that I thought so at the time, and okay maybe my belief in 1989 that Northwest bigfoot sludge is dead and over was a little premature too, how the hell was I to know that some halfway okay stupid Squirel Bait/Die Kreuzen/Husker Du/Scratch Acid/Dinosaur Jr/Flipper/Die Kreuzen/Soul Asylum ripoff band would take the world by storm by stealing guitar riffs from "More than a Feeling" a couple years later??) But either way, point is, Mudhoney were THIRD GENERATION SEATTLE GRUNGE AT BEST. Even ask Malfunkshun or the U-Men or Skin Yard and all those other C/Z Records bands from 1985!!! Who may or may not have sucked, I forget.

chuck, Sunday, 14 March 2004 22:34 (twenty years ago) link

I also vividly remember the day I got the first Pearl Jam CD in the mail and thought, wow, another Green River spinoff, those guys were OK on that first EP and with that Dead Boys cover a few years ago where they pretended to be produced by Joe Perry but who the hell would give a fuck about these hasbeens NOW? I'm not making this up.

chuck, Sunday, 14 March 2004 22:39 (twenty years ago) link

Destroy too: Korn (ever listened to their debut? 80% grunge, 20% Faith No More)

Siegbran (eofor), Sunday, 14 March 2004 22:46 (twenty years ago) link

Die Kreuzen got mentioned! I love them so!

LITTLE LAMB [Jon Williams] (ex machina), Sunday, 14 March 2004 22:48 (twenty years ago) link

how the hell was I to know that some halfway okay stupid Squirel Bait/Die Kreuzen/Husker Du/Scratch Acid/Dinosaur Jr/Flipper/Die Kreuzen/Soul Asylum ripoff band would take the world by storm by stealing guitar riffs from "More than a Feeling" a couple years later??

Wow, I thought I had idee fixes. (That said, Chuck's talk on Nirvana in Accidental History is some great stuff.) The great alternate history of our time: Andrew Wood never dies, Mother Love Bone continues to one extent or another and Eddie Vedder + Pearl Jam music never becomes famous. Result?

ever listened to their debut?

Yes, unfortunately. That was a mistake.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 14 March 2004 22:48 (twenty years ago) link

Chuck, you are filled with so much hate.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 14 March 2004 22:51 (twenty years ago) link

Mark Arm admitted in Spin once how much "Sun God" by Squirrel Bait influenced grunge/his band/the whole thing. And he was right, cuz the whole shebang can be found in that song. All i remember Alice In Chains talking about in Spin is how they were big Ratt fans.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 14 March 2004 22:53 (twenty years ago) link

oh come on, ratt were great

stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 14 March 2004 22:54 (twenty years ago) link

i didn't say they weren't. just saying that they were alice in chains' big influence. or i may be remembering it wrong. i think they said that.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 14 March 2004 22:56 (twenty years ago) link

But, you know, i don't know if i would call Ratt GREAT. They had some fine moments. Or entertaining moments anyway.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 14 March 2004 22:57 (twenty years ago) link

Then you can be C***k K********n and claim that they brought hope and joy to millions without whom life would have been nothing. But he might be wrong.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 14 March 2004 22:58 (twenty years ago) link

well i didn't say they were outstanding or anything! hell of a singles band though.

stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 14 March 2004 22:58 (twenty years ago) link

This is where I have a question, though -- the only single I *ever* heard from them growing up was "Round and Round." So what were these other smash singles of theirs? Or did they have any at all beyond that, really?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 14 March 2004 23:00 (twenty years ago) link

I don't even remember. I have their 2nd album or 3rd album or maybe both though, and they aren't bad. They liked rock and roll. so, that was a plus. They would have been a pretty decent glam band in the 70's. I think Van Halen probably brought more joy to millions though.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 14 March 2004 23:02 (twenty years ago) link

I'd still rather listen to Judas Priest though.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 14 March 2004 23:04 (twenty years ago) link

I wish i still had a copy of Point Of Entry by Judas Priest. That album bewildered me so much as a lad.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 14 March 2004 23:05 (twenty years ago) link

i'll stop there with the Priest talk though. I don't wanna derail things. I like the Local H album that i own!

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 14 March 2004 23:05 (twenty years ago) link

Oh, and i enjoyed that neil young/pearl jam grunge album.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 14 March 2004 23:06 (twenty years ago) link

>>All i remember Alice In Chains talking about in Spin is how they were big Ratt fans.<<

So how come the lifeless shmucks in Alice in Drains never did a song one zillionth as catchy or rocking or energetic as "You're in Love" or Ratt's excellent 1983 indie EP version of "Walkin' the Dog" (much LESS "Round and Round")??? Which should partly answer Ned's question.

Chuck "I'm in Love with the World" Eddy, Sunday, 14 March 2004 23:07 (twenty years ago) link

I actually like "Not For You" by Pearl Jam, btw! They did it on Saturday Night Live once; real good version. It's their only rocking song ever, probably, mainly because they steal a Stones riff in it! I actually own a 7-inch vinyl jukebox 45 of it; same with "Smells Like Teen Spirit" AND "Gel" by Collective Soul. Cool, huh?

chuck, Sunday, 14 March 2004 23:11 (twenty years ago) link

Which should partly answer Ned's question.

Partly, indeed. Context -- Ratt were 'big' in the sense that I knew about them when "Round and Round" hit in 1984 and they appeared on the Top 40 station I listened to in upstate New York, which was as good an indicator as anything. But hell, I even remember more songs from Quiet Riot at that time from the same source.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 14 March 2004 23:12 (twenty years ago) link

I don't know why. They should have cuz when you sing happy songs you feel happier. I liked that one song they did about a rooster though. And one of those unplugged alt-sludge ones.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 14 March 2004 23:13 (twenty years ago) link

I have a 45 of "pepper" by the butthole surfers. it sounds really cool and loud.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 14 March 2004 23:14 (twenty years ago) link

They should have cuz when you sing happy songs you feel happier.

But I can't sing! I can grunt a bit.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 14 March 2004 23:14 (twenty years ago) link

i really like collective soul. maybe i should be saying this on the guilty pleasure thread. i love that DIY/Arena Rock sound they get a la Boston.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 14 March 2004 23:15 (twenty years ago) link

So what were these other smash singles of theirs? Or did they have any at all beyond that, really?

I dunno if "Lay It Down" was a "smash single," but it did get a very entertaining video.

stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 14 March 2004 23:15 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, I remember A in C did some unplugged song once where they ripped off some mediocre late Alice (!!) Cooper melody and I didn't completely hate it. At least it was better than Temple of the Dog.

chuck, Sunday, 14 March 2004 23:16 (twenty years ago) link

Plus, Collective Soul's first and biggest hit was basically that old church song "This little light of mine I'm gonna let it shine." They were totally hippie jesus freaks going up to the spirit in the sky!

But you know who the BEST bubblegrunge band were? Days of the New!!! Their second album, after the main guy fired everybody else in the band, is a stone cold world-rhythm-disco hard sludge classic, no shit.

chuck, Sunday, 14 March 2004 23:19 (twenty years ago) link

The only temple of the dog song i remember was a cover of a song by that annoying alt-folkie woman who sounded like Shelly Duvall. It wasn't that good.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 14 March 2004 23:19 (twenty years ago) link

Also very underrated: Stabbing Westward. I'm am not kidding here.

chuck, Sunday, 14 March 2004 23:19 (twenty years ago) link

that days of the new album is awesome. i even like the post-shine collective soul stuff i have heard. Some of it sounds like thin lizzy. if i see those records for a dollar i'm gonna scoop them up.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 14 March 2004 23:20 (twenty years ago) link

why did stabbing westward's publicist get mad at me again? he wrote a letter to complain about something. Cuz i called them nu-metal or something? i guess i was supposed to call them post-trent dystopian industro-rock or something.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 14 March 2004 23:23 (twenty years ago) link

i don't think i actually called them nu-metal, just included them with a bunch of nu-metaller bands. There is the hard nut to crack: name a nu-metal band worth listening to. although there are probably multiple threads on it. nevermind, i don't want to look.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 14 March 2004 23:25 (twenty years ago) link

Destroy: Seven Mary Three, Sponge

Sym (shmuel), Sunday, 14 March 2004 23:28 (twenty years ago) link

>>name a nu-metal band worth listening to.<<

Static X!! And do those first two Crazytown singles count??

Seven Mary Three seemed so totally leaden (at least in their hit -- heaviest bubblegrunge hit ever, maybe??) that sometimes I wonder if I could appreciate them now in a stoner rock sense. I doubt it, though.

chuck, Sunday, 14 March 2004 23:35 (twenty years ago) link

Chuck do you know if Veruca Salt were really hated by the critics? And why?
I know Albini turned against Urge Overkill (who made their finest record on Geffen with 'Saturation' Would anyone agree?) and everyone followed suit.

I had forgotten how good that Posies "Frosting On the Beater" album was.

Rock bastard, Sunday, 14 March 2004 23:45 (twenty years ago) link

Destroy too: Korn (ever listened to their debut? 80% grunge, 20% Faith No More)
Hypothetical situation: What if Korn had been 80% Faith No More and 20% Grunge?

Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Sunday, 14 March 2004 23:47 (twenty years ago) link

It's their only rocking song ever, probably, mainly...

Please don't interpret this as a defense of Pearl Jam, but WRONG!

Plus, Collective Soul's first and biggest hit was basically that old church song "This little light of mine I'm gonna let it shine."

Uh, no. Have you ever heard "this Little Light of Mine" (recently covered by Firewater, btw). It sounds nothing like "Shine". They're both a fuckin' TRIAL to listen to (even F'water's version, honestly), but they're nothing alike otherwise.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 14 March 2004 23:54 (twenty years ago) link

Of all the bands that were inexplicably popular in the UK but unknown in the US, surely they were the worst.

Neil S, Monday, 1 September 2008 11:48 (fifteen years ago) link

But they are least partly responsible for a decent pizzeria in Dublin.

MacDara, Monday, 1 September 2008 13:42 (fifteen years ago) link

Bizarre thread. Folks were labeling all kinds of bands grunge.

QuantumNoise, Monday, 1 September 2008 13:53 (fifteen years ago) link

Just like radio stations/MTV/Music Mags back then

Herman G. Neuname, Monday, 1 September 2008 15:05 (fifteen years ago) link

But I don't remember any radio stations calling Buffalo Tom, the Pooh Sticks, Redd Kross and the Goo Goo Dolls "post grunge."

QuantumNoise, Monday, 1 September 2008 16:18 (fifteen years ago) link

Of course, I didn't listen to a ton of radio back then.

QuantumNoise, Monday, 1 September 2008 16:19 (fifteen years ago) link

over here in the uk spin doctors and lemonheads got called grunge on Radio 1 and Top Of The Pops :D

Herman G. Neuname, Monday, 1 September 2008 16:21 (fifteen years ago) link

btw that Dig album mentioned way upthread was good. Did they make another?

Herman G. Neuname, Monday, 1 September 2008 23:08 (fifteen years ago) link

In fact im gonna listen to that Dig album today

Herman G. Neuname, Tuesday, 2 September 2008 11:47 (fifteen years ago) link

But I don't remember any radio stations calling Buffalo Tom, the Pooh Sticks, Redd Kross and the Goo Goo Dolls "post grunge."

I've never heard a radio station call anything "post grunge".

S: Molly" and "Plowed" by Sponge. "Wish You Were Here" and "Drive" by I.N.C.U.B.U.S. All of Foo Fighters singles. All of Bush's singles. The one about Superman by Three Doors Down. The Chad Kroeger song from the Spiderman soundtrack.

D: Anything else Chad Kroeger has ever done. Creed. Staind.

kingkongvsgodzilla, Tuesday, 2 September 2008 12:27 (fifteen years ago) link

four years pass...

I did a search for Bullet Lavolta and they came up in this thread which is amusing because if anything, the Boston band was about two years ahead of it's time, but those were a crucial 24 months.

One of the CDs I picked up yesterday on my first excursion to a local record store in ages is a live-plus-odds-and-sods Bullet LaVolta release that came out, apparently posthumously, on Matador Records in 1991 awesomely entitled "The Gun Didn't Know I Was Loaded." Although it's a very rough, bass-heavy recording done at the time on the air of Boston college juggernaut WERS 88.9FM (and recorded over a similar live session by The Pixies, according to the liner notes!), it reminds me of when I first moved back to New York in 1989 because the band played out there quite a bit at that point. They were also one of my earlier interviews, though I cannot recall for whom. They had a singer named Yukki (pronounced Yucky). They rocked unpretentiously and righteously.

This song was always a favorite of mine and it leads off this album.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQ6Ldl9BByQ

To be sure, a track this heavy and instilled with punk attitude (and sure, grungy, if you insist) was an anomaly in the world of major labels BC (Before Cobain) yet RCA Records bought the rights to an early TAANG! album and Metal Blade EP, reissuing them together, and even coughed up the funds to record the prophetically-titled "Swandive" album. Released the same day as "Nevermind," it lacked the fire of the earlier material (but is well worth the $1.64 used on Amazon.com right now) and the band left us shortly thereafter.

But this disc rekindles memories of seeing the band back in the day as I made my first tentative steps living on my own in New York. Five bucks well spent.

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Monday, 11 March 2013 13:31 (eleven years ago) link

nine years pass...

So many of the forgotten indie bands mentioned in this old thread I listen to now like they're the hot new thing.

Evan, Friday, 13 January 2023 17:59 (one year ago) link

for reasons i cannot explain, this revival has reminded me of this crew.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9sH7AoRd14

mark e, Friday, 13 January 2023 18:26 (one year ago) link

I really wish the band Sponge didn’t suck because it’s such a great 90s dirtbag/grunge band name .

not too strange just bad audio (brimstead), Friday, 13 January 2023 20:24 (one year ago) link


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