53 by my count.
― fact checking cuz (fcc), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 06:43 (nineteen years ago) link
― fact checking cuz (fcc), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 06:49 (nineteen years ago) link
did you catch Belle and Sebastian's tip-of-the-hat in 'Photo Jenny'?
― derrick (derrick), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 07:46 (nineteen years ago) link
― polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 07:49 (nineteen years ago) link
― derrick (derrick), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 07:57 (nineteen years ago) link
glen played his own bass on "wichita lineman."
also recommended: jimmy webb's own rendition on his solo Ten Easy Pieces album - the piano accentuates the song's hidden bill evans harmonies.
― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 19 January 2005 08:01 (nineteen years ago) link
― Jay Vee (Manon_70), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 10:03 (nineteen years ago) link
― debden, Wednesday, 19 January 2005 10:17 (nineteen years ago) link
― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 14:02 (nineteen years ago) link
its genius. the 'I need you' is one of the single greatest lines in western art.
who produced it? its got this golden lustre to it
Campbells voice is under rated......he sings Galveston beautifully as well. Didnt he sing/play on some Beach Boys records?
― Carel Fabritius (Fabritius), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 14:10 (nineteen years ago) link
campbell toured as a beach boy in '64/5 after brian dropped out of doing gigs. plays guitar on pet sounds, SMiLE passim, as well as being a spector/wall of sound regular.
brian wrote and produced glen's 1965 why-wasn't-it-a-hit "guess i'm dumb" single. glen is also the lead vocalist on "my world fell down" by sagittarius, which record had input from bruce johnstone and brian wilson (the sound FX in the middle section were originally intended for the "in the cantina" section of "heroes & villains").
― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 19 January 2005 14:15 (nineteen years ago) link
― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 14:15 (nineteen years ago) link
― jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 14:25 (nineteen years ago) link
― jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 14:27 (nineteen years ago) link
― Orange, Wednesday, 19 January 2005 14:38 (nineteen years ago) link
Glan Campbell's Wichita Lineman - C/D?"Wichita Lineman": C/DRecommend more songs like "Wichita Lineman" please.
― Haibun (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 14:42 (nineteen years ago) link
― Haibun (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 14:58 (nineteen years ago) link
OTM. See also that record's version of "Galveston", which is even more of a revelation. Just try to ignore the cover snap with a barefoot Jimmy.
glen is also the lead vocalist on "my world fell down" by sagittarius, which record had input from bruce johnstone and brian wilson (the sound FX in the middle section were originally intended for the "in the cantina" section of "heroes & villains")
I believe that's a myth...
― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 15:12 (nineteen years ago) link
it is, isn't it? he didn't write it but i'm reasonably sure his was the first recording.
― fact checking cuz (fcc), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 15:13 (nineteen years ago) link
I just realized that Bobby Lyle's "Magic Carpet Ride", a rare-groove r&B song from the 70's, totally cops that part.
― pheNAM (pheNAM), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 15:32 (nineteen years ago) link
― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 15:57 (nineteen years ago) link
You must hear it if you are a fan of Johnny Cash or of the song. I'm just sayin.
― The Mad Puffin (The Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 16:00 (nineteen years ago) link
― o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 16:04 (nineteen years ago) link
― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 16:16 (nineteen years ago) link
Bullshit. Anyway, since you're so concerned with how many *different* words are in the song, how many *different* words do you think Dylan used? Probably not 3 and a half billion. "It Takes a Lot To Laugh, It Takes a Train to Cry" (despite the long title) is approximately as laconic as this song and is at least as effective, as far as I'm concerned.
― o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 16:27 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ken L (Ken L), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 16:37 (nineteen years ago) link
― o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 16:43 (nineteen years ago) link
Campbell's version was pretty ubiquitous on even top 40 radio circa 1979.
― The Mad Puffin (The Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 16:46 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ken L (Ken L), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 16:49 (nineteen years ago) link
To be honest, this line kind of bugs me. If he "needs" her more than "wants" her, then why in the very next line does he say "and I want you for all time" - there's the "want" again - didn't he just say he "needs" her more than "wants" her? - so why doesn't he say he "needs" her for all time? Because it would sound weird, I guess. How could you "need" someone for all time? But still, it's clumsy.
― o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 17:22 (nineteen years ago) link
and you're seriously saying that a song needs to be specific to be good? because that would leave a lot of dylan, esp. 'visions of johanna,' right out on the doorstep.
i never said this was THE greatest song of all time. but it must be considered. 'visions' is good but not on the same level methinks.
― Haibun (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 17:30 (nineteen years ago) link
xpost
― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 17:32 (nineteen years ago) link
I like "Galveston" almost as much. Campbell's vocal on "WL" is very subtle, actually, listen to the inflection on the word "still." That's great singing, it sounds so simple but it's not.
Many people complain about the Al De Lory strings on this song and others. I think "WL" just about defines good countrypolitan music, myself, it's incredibly listenable, smooth yet it's real. Glen's country--the way he says "want" as "wont." I have no trouble with anyone who says this is one the finest songs of all time, none at all.
― eddie hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 17:36 (nineteen years ago) link
I'm not, Amateur(ist) — it's crap. And believe me: I wanted to like that record more than you can possibly imagine. Or maybe you can.
― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 17:46 (nineteen years ago) link
― eddie hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 17:48 (nineteen years ago) link
― ilkshake (ilkshake), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 17:54 (nineteen years ago) link
are you supposed to revere something in an irreverent tone?
― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 17:54 (nineteen years ago) link
i do have a distaste for hyperbole. it's nice to read something like o. nate's post, then. since this board is so full of hyperbole.
― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 17:56 (nineteen years ago) link
hmmm...this is interesting, because webb has a problem with writing really abstract love lyrics with overly fussy metaphors. in fact i would even say that some of his lyrics verge on the sort of mushy pop-psychological stuff that really turns me off. (as in the "reunion" record which i can't dismiss so easily.)
i think it's this song's specificity, its occasional rendering of concrete detail, that lifts it above a lot of other webb compositions.
― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 18:00 (nineteen years ago) link
― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 18:01 (nineteen years ago) link
Yes.
― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 18:20 (nineteen years ago) link
OK, fine, but something typed in haste on a message board should necessarily be held to the same level of literary standards as a song, especially if it's claimed to be the greatest of all time.
Maybe the line means what people are saying it means: I x more than y, and I y a lot. But if so, this doesn't strike me as a particularly clever or poetic construction - it's almost childish, really. For a more grown-up, complex, and sexy take on the whole "need vs. want" thing, see Smokey Robinson's "You Really Got a Hold On Me".
― o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 18:44 (nineteen years ago) link
That was a favorite theme of Motown and vintage R&B. See also Marvin Gaye's "Ain't that Peculiar" ("you do me wrong but still I'm crazy bout you"), Martha and the Vandellas' "Nowhere to Run" ("I know you're no good for me, but you've become a part of me").
― The Mad Puffin (The Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 18:57 (nineteen years ago) link
― mottdeterre (mottdeterre), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 18:59 (nineteen years ago) link
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 19:05 (nineteen years ago) link
As far as "need vs. want" - "You Really Got a Hold On Me" is a great song, especially in the Beatles version, but its razor's edge approach/avoid take on love is actually easier to pull off successfully than the infinite corridor of want that is evoked in "Wichita Lineman."
― Ken L (Ken L), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 19:11 (nineteen years ago) link
― mottdeterre (mottdeterre), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 19:17 (nineteen years ago) link
― o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 19:19 (nineteen years ago) link
That is, I'm lonely and cold and I'm holding on alone here, doing all the work, but I'm still at it--because I need and want you so much, I have no choice but to keep working at the relationship.
― The Mad Puffin (The Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 19:22 (nineteen years ago) link
http://sadyoutube.com/post/49853194223/when-this-song-came-out-i-was-under-16http://sadyoutube.com/post/54486028048/everytime-i-hear-this-song-i-remember-going-outhttp://sadyoutube.com/post/52276658436/this-song-makes-me-cry-my-dad-was-a-truck
― we're up all night to get (s1ocki), Saturday, 27 July 2013 18:58 (ten years ago) link
Nope. She played a regular P-bass throughout the Wrecking Crew years - only real non-standardness being flat-wound strings and playing with a pick.
― Orpheus in Hull (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 27 July 2013 19:19 (ten years ago) link
The lyrical interpretation earlier in this thread was pretty eye-opening; I always figured "And if it snows that that stretch down south won't ever stand the strain" meant "If she freezes me out, these blue balls are gonna kill me."
― Hideous Lump, Saturday, 27 July 2013 20:26 (ten years ago) link
some weapons-grade challopery up in this thread
― Mancunian stagger (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 27 July 2013 20:42 (ten years ago) link
The version he did on Jools in 2008 was pretty amazing. Stay for the "fine" at the very end.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMFOnpT9RkQ
― that's not my post, Sunday, 28 July 2013 05:01 (ten years ago) link
Glen Campbell still a pretty damn good guitar player at age 72 in that clip. Lot of guys in a group setting like that would have just sang the tune and left someone in the ensemble to do all of those fills from the original arrangement.
― earlnash, Sunday, 28 July 2013 22:07 (ten years ago) link
OTM. Was just telling James Redd, Sr. something to that effect.
― Orpheus in Hull (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 28 July 2013 23:07 (ten years ago) link
that's great, as is the weird Forbidden Planet alien world studio one.
That Simpsons bit where Homer's going through his records with the implication that they're terrible and Glen Campbell is one of them bothers me beyond reason.
― Fanois och Alexander (Merdeyeux), Monday, 29 July 2013 01:13 (ten years ago) link
http://sadyoutube.com/post/52276658436/this-song-makes-me-cry-my-dad-was-a-truck
I am never clicking through to read this, because "My dad was a truck" is perfect enough without seeing the rest of the sentence.
― Here's the storify, of a lovely ladify (Phil D.), Monday, 29 July 2013 01:23 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SM6tER2llgU
― derpoleon and d'ohsephine (get bent), Monday, 29 July 2013 01:36 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZascMOE42Tw
― Guidonian Handsworth Revolution (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 29 May 2017 17:45 (six years ago) link
― D'mnuchin returns (darraghmac), Monday, 29 May 2017 18:35 (six years ago) link
people on this thread dissing Reunion.... my god. you sick people. was super happy to tell Webb how much i loved it when i caught him live.
― Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Tuesday, 3 November 2020 16:47 (three years ago) link
Crazy. That album's great but I wish they hadn't done that Lowell George song. He's got a habit of doing pointless covers though, like the crap Beatles cover on "The Magic Garden".
― Young Boys of Bernie (Tom D.), Tuesday, 3 November 2020 17:48 (three years ago) link