Never Mind The Flaming Here's The Classic Or Dud

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Yes.

― Tom, Wednesday, 6 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Thank you, Tom, for forcing me to read that. Hrm, I have nothing to really add to it besides it's true. The contradiction is the best part of rock 'n' roll, incidentally, and I hate people who point it out as if it's a bad thing.

― Ally, Wednesday, 6 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

A song which sits with both sides. Not mediating, though: EXACTLY not mediating. More like dragging each impossibly opposed side through the guts of the other. You say either/or, you imagine some nice you-choose consumer ambiguity: this is more like, whichever you wanted, you get the *other* one.

Trying to think of others who disallow a critical position in the grandstands from which to safely appreciate. Eminem comes quite close, doesn't he? Still thinking. I am curious: who's the #1 manipulator?

― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 6 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

#1 = Lars von Trier (to see this, you have to have seen/read him being interviewed in print or on film: it's almost like his movies are just the pretext for mindfuck w.the actors, press etc, and for just this amazing game in the *surrounding* media)

But yes, Eminem: something not dissimilar to what you said. But he lacks the absolute spark of amoral spiteful glee, tho.

― mark s, Wednesday, 6 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Eminem has tasted a bit of his cake I think; it's not just the media-friendly Grammy circus or the glossy videos, both of which could serve an irreducible polarization if he wanted. Not sure what it is. I'm going to wait till I know.

Amazing, Mark.

― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 6 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Pistols: overrated, musically pretty dull, as far as I can make out. I never listen to them.

― the pinefox, Thursday, 7 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

oh god. too obviously classic. every self-evident classic is being questioned and i've been turning into everything i hate about greil marcus to try to defend. bite, bile, joy, violence, yes. rolled r's, smart buzzing riffs, sneers, yes. rock.

― sundar subramanian, Saturday, 9 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

nine months pass...

wish you could see me yawn ... Like sitting on big dish in the nevada desert with a can of fanta in my hand blurping : 'BOOORING' .

― olly 360, Sunday, 10 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

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