Homicide: Life on the Street: classic or the best show ever created?

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There's a guy who occasionally rides the same tube as me out to East Ham here in London who looks quite a lot like Andre Braugher/Frank Pembleton, if a touch heftier. I don't know if he's noticed me looking at him a lot...

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 14 March 2003 18:47 (10 years ago) Permalink

If you've seen Hack, then you'd know that Braugher is putting on some p-o-u-n-d-s (whisper so he doesn't kill me). Maybe it is him. You should go up to him and ask him for a hug.

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 14 March 2003 18:49 (10 years ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

DVD May 23!

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Monday, 7 April 2003 16:18 (10 years ago) Permalink

Thanks Sean! This is grebt news.

― Nicole (Nicole), Monday, 7 April 2003 16:47 (10 years ago) Permalink

I will be getting this oh yes

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 7 April 2003 16:53 (10 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

well, just having a quick look at the tivo's todo list and i noticed that on 5th may, channel 5 is showing Sideshow, an episode from season 7 that hasn't been on english tv before (it's the second part of a two part crossover episode which starts with law and order shown immedaitely before it and not, unfortunately, the start of channel 5 showing the entire 7th season)

andy

― koogs (koogs), Thursday, 24 April 2003 22:24 (10 years ago) Permalink

Andy, that one has been shown - I saw it a few months ago. It was great to see all the characters again, but a massive pity it was as a one-off.

― James Ball (James Ball), Friday, 25 April 2003 00:29 (10 years ago) Permalink

We should all watch it, in the hope that C5 then pick up that final season.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 25 April 2003 10:59 (10 years ago) Permalink

james, i think there have been two. this is the second part of a crossover with law and order and (i think) the one you're talking about was the first part of a different crossover with law and order shown, yes, a few months ago. that one was a repeat, this one should be new. i could be wrong.

btw, i meant the 3rd when i said the 5th. it's saturday.

andy

― koogs (koogs), Friday, 25 April 2003 18:38 (10 years ago) Permalink

yes, look:

http://www.cnn.com/SHOWBIZ/9711/12/law.order/

quote...
NEW YORK (CNN) -- The last time "Law & Order" joined forces with its NBC partner "Homicide" to solve a case, the shows' detectives were looking for a suicide bomber. The crossover episode proved popular with viewers from both shows, and gave each drama a Nielsens infusion.

So it only makes sense that the two programs' producers would seek out another joint venture. This year, crossover director Ed Sherin says, the teams are trying to solve "the mysterious death of a beautiful model, who happens to be 14 years old."
end quote...

that said, this was posted in 1997 so...

and here (http://www.lawandorder-fr.com/guide_episodes/crossovers.php3) it says (in french no less) that this is actually the third:

A ce jour, Law & Order (New York District) compte quatre cross-overs répartis comme suit :

one i didn't know about:
6.13 - Charm City 1/2 (Panique dans le métro) dans L&O (NYD).
4.12 - For God and Country 2/2 (Pour le bien du pays) dans Homicide.

this was the last one:
8.06 - Baby, It's You 1/2 (Mon enfant) dans L&O (NYD).
6.05 - Baby It's You 2/2 dans Homicide.

this one on saturday:
9.14 - Sideshow 1/2 (Querelles de clochers) dans L&O (NYD).
7.15 - Sideshow 2/2 (Dans les hautes sphères) dans Homicide.

isn't google a wonderful thing. 8)

andy

― koogs (koogs), Friday, 25 April 2003 18:48 (10 years ago) Permalink

Well if it's the third I missed the first two, unfortunately. The one I saw was the one with the young model.

Of course they could be showing them the other way round and putting on one of the earlier ones. Either way I'll definitely watch it.

― James Ball (James Ball), Saturday, 26 April 2003 12:25 (10 years ago) Permalink

8 months pass...

Anyone got the Season 3 DVD set? I'm on the second disc now... can't wait till I get to Gordon Pratt. I saw this on the first run when I was 15(?), so it's kinda cool to check it out that many years later.

My favourite character arc has to be Kellerman. The handling of Bayliss' character always seemed forced to me, especially towards the end.

― alex in montreal, Monday, 5 January 2004 03:14 (9 years ago) Permalink

SON OF A...when did they release season three? Distribution for these are so poor up here that you can barely find the first set. Sadness.

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Monday, 5 January 2004 03:46 (9 years ago) Permalink

i LOVE this show -- though THE WIRE is maybe just as good, and of course also shot in b'more...

― yetimike (McGonigal), Monday, 5 January 2004 03:49 (9 years ago) Permalink

I always wished I could watch this show (not that I wasn't allowed or anything, it was just never on any of the channels I got)

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 5 January 2004 04:14 (9 years ago) Permalink

I'm guessing you mean Canada by "up here", Sean. I got mine at Metro Video in Montreal about two weeks ago and I've seen the Seasons 1&2 set at Future Shop.

― alex in montreal, Monday, 5 January 2004 04:16 (9 years ago) Permalink

metro video is great! well, as great as a video store can be in this stupid video-hating province

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 5 January 2004 04:21 (9 years ago) Permalink

Yes, finding the first one here in Toronto was pretty tough; haven't seen the second at all yet. Will start my search. How much was the third season?

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Monday, 5 January 2004 04:43 (9 years ago) Permalink

I saw them both (and both currently out of my spending abilities, since I chose to take the moral highground and saw my income halved) at a Huge Music Vendor in the mall here, and if I remember kee-rectly, Season 3 was more expensive than Seasons 1 & 2.

And Meldrick Lewis was the best character.

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 5 January 2004 15:06 (9 years ago) Permalink

never seen it, but I want the DVDs baaad - THE WIRE is very likely the best TV show I've ever seen (though nobody else apparently watches it, which just kills me), so if HOMICIDE is even half as good i'm sure to love it.

― Adrian (Adrian Langston), Monday, 5 January 2004 15:20 (9 years ago) Permalink

the last two seasons of Homicide will make you cry at how bad it got.
I didn't notice how bad it was when they originally aired, but seeing it in syndication...my heart broke.

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 5 January 2004 15:23 (9 years ago) Permalink

I blame Jon Seda.

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Monday, 5 January 2004 15:36 (9 years ago) Permalink

don't forget Michelle Michael or Michael Michelle.

bringing good looking people on to the show was stupid AND dumb.

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 5 January 2004 15:37 (9 years ago) Permalink

Sean: I got the 3rd Season for $80 CAN plus provincial and federal taxes.

― alex in montreal, Tuesday, 6 January 2004 01:16 (9 years ago) Permalink

Is the Adena Watkins/Moses Gunn interrogation episode one of the most frightening and riveting things to ever be shown on network television or is it just me?

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 01:38 (9 years ago) Permalink

Jon Seda KILLED Homicide.

― Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 01:49 (9 years ago) Permalink

I was obsessed with this series while it was on, and at the time really agreed that the final seasons were a huge drop off in quality and heralded the end of the show with all the "pretty faces", but in retrospect I think that it still hit more than it missed then. "Subway" is still my favorite hour of the whole series and that was in the second-to-last season with Seda.

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 02:20 (9 years ago) Permalink

The Subway episode was great, but do you know what was better? the episode of Taxicab Confessions on HBO where a transit cop or fireman, i can't remember which, described the same exact scenario. He had seen it more then once and his descriptions were harrowing.(I saw that before the homicide episode aired, dunno if he inspired the episode or not.)

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 03:16 (9 years ago) Permalink

Did you see the documentary about the subway episode? It was called "Anatomy of a Homicide"...'twas pretty awesome.

― alex in montreal, Tuesday, 6 January 2004 03:31 (9 years ago) Permalink

that documentary was on PBS. It would be nice if they put this on the DVD when they get to that episode but I wouldn't count on it. However, I have a sneaking recollection that somewhere they admitted they got that idea from somewhere else, perhaps Taxicab Confessions.

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 03:50 (9 years ago) Permalink

so like there's some queer homicide/law and order crossover on tnt tonight, and man is it weird...like seeing a batman meets the fantastic four story or something.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 8 January 2004 02:14 (9 years ago) Permalink

The previous one was better, 'cause it had Skoda as the bad guy! Also, Curtis and Falsone talking about their kids??? SHOOT ME NOW.

― tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Thursday, 8 January 2004 03:56 (9 years ago) Permalink

Fuck, is it gonna air again?

― Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Thursday, 8 January 2004 03:57 (9 years ago) Permalink

the very first H:LOTS/L&O crossover was the best. It was early in the series, maybe first or second season. It was in the pre-show teaser. Mike Logan was dropping off a prisoner into the custody of Pembleton and Bayliss and they were dissing each other's cities. But the best part? The prisoner was John Waters (who later played a bartender who nodded in agreement to one of Munch's rants, presumably a different character).

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 8 January 2004 14:56 (9 years ago) Permalink

That John Waters scene was indeed classic.

can the Jon Seda hate, y'all. The dude was one smooth smoothie. If anyone got close to ruining Homicide it was Michelle Forbes and that ex-fireman who killed the drug kingpin.

Man, the fact that I can't remember half the characters names reaffirms I must check out the DVDs.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 8 January 2004 19:37 (9 years ago) Permalink

Kellerman! Kellerman was great when they didn't lay the angst on him too thickly. He was always trying to eat his gun.
Kellerman and Lewis were a great team. Great dialogue. Almost as good as Crosetti and Lewis.
and Shiner!

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 8 January 2004 19:43 (9 years ago) Permalink

I just have a distinct memory of the angst being laid on too thickly. And Michelle Forbes (that was the coroner, right?) can just get run over by a truck.

There was a time were Homicide made me believe that Max Perlich was the bombdiggity.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 8 January 2004 19:47 (9 years ago) Permalink

like the time he ruined Lewis's marriage!
no one wanted to live with him!

Michelle Forbes, yup, she was Julianna Cox, the angsty/sassy coroner. She had some good moments.

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 8 January 2004 19:50 (9 years ago) Permalink

Sean, you can rent (at least) the first two series from Queen Vid, I think.

― Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Thursday, 8 January 2004 19:52 (9 years ago) Permalink

What was that stuff with Braugher pounding his fists on a coffin? Was that from when it had jumped?

― Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Thursday, 8 January 2004 19:53 (9 years ago) Permalink

oh god. the symbolic aneurysm coffin.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 8 January 2004 19:54 (9 years ago) Permalink

Pembleton (Braugher) handed in his badge while standing over his partner's hospital bed. He may have banged on it. It was usually Gee who banged on things though.

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 8 January 2004 19:55 (9 years ago) Permalink

What happened to him? I think there was a big buzz round him as an actor at the time.

― Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Thursday, 8 January 2004 19:55 (9 years ago) Permalink

I kinda just pray he's been doing a lot of theatre. I'd hate to think Frequency was his most recent acting peak.

What did people think of that TV movie they did a year after the show ended? I only saw a bit and was kind of bothered by how much of it just seemed like a damn cast party (even in heaven!).

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 8 January 2004 19:56 (9 years ago) Permalink

he's still on that Hack show, where David Morse is part Travis Bickle, part Batman, and part Job.
If that show's still on.

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 8 January 2004 19:57 (9 years ago) Permalink

can the Jon Seda hate, y'all.

No. Fucking. Way.

― tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Thursday, 8 January 2004 19:59 (9 years ago) Permalink

aw, come on! I loved seeing him in those beer ads after the show ended!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 8 January 2004 20:00 (9 years ago) Permalink

Jon Seda and Limp Bizkit? I love Anthony, but I fear him too.

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Thursday, 8 January 2004 20:01 (9 years ago) Permalink

Hey I'm not saying Seda wuz robbed at the Emmys. I just don't get why he's being hated on.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 8 January 2004 20:02 (9 years ago) Permalink

yeah, I had issues with the whole "heaven is the coffee room" thing (only I think Crosetti says when Gee asks for espresso, "hey where do you think you are, heaven?" so I guess the coffee room is purgatory???)
it seemed so incongruous with the rest of the series.
like the whole series, I thought there were good, bad, meh, and great parts. Like the fact that it had Clark Johnson in it, that was great.
Bayliss as completely useless whiner...meh.

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 8 January 2004 20:02 (9 years ago) Permalink

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OMG DET. MUNCH IS RUNNING FOR PRESIDNET?

― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Thursday, 6 September 2007 09:27 (5 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

adam, are you there? can you hear me? can you feel me near you?

I have been GORGING on homicide these past few days

esp. seasons II and III

detective frank pembleton/andre braugher and giardello/yaphet kotto are my new gods

― czn, Monday, 19 November 2007 22:22 (5 years ago) Permalink

haha me too holmes.

pembleton > all other screen characters.

― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 11:02 (5 years ago) Permalink

7 months pass...

they've been showing it again, from the beginning, on itv4 but appear to be finishing at the end of series 3 (next week)

i've been writing down the names on the board as i spot them but figured it'd be on the web somewhere. a quick google for "visciglia liddell" (2 of munch's cases from 1994) gave me:

http://members.aol.com/jimking/ which is stunning.

(the last 3 i've seen have had Steve Buscemi, John Waters and Tim Russert guest starring / cameos). but the way they are showing them out of order bugs me (end of season three was episodes from before the shootings / bolander's scar, for instance.)

― koogs, Sunday, 6 July 2008 17:44 (4 years ago) Permalink

I have been thinking of watching this when I finish S5 of The Wire. How does it compare?

― Meg Busset, Saturday, 19 July 2008 17:51 (4 years ago) Permalink

For its time, it was really about as good as it gets. C4 UK passed up on the final season, which is probably where the rot set in for them.

Having recently seen a BBC2 piece on The Wire, but never watched it, I'm in the opposite situation of feeling I should really catch up with a box set.

― Soukesian, Saturday, 19 July 2008 18:26 (4 years ago) Permalink

I don't know how much it compares as I haven't seen much of the Wire, but it's generally considered about as realistic, but more episodic. Nearly everyone I've come across who loves one loves the other.

― Duane Barry, Saturday, 19 July 2008 19:23 (4 years ago) Permalink

Everyone needs The Wire in their life.

I'm just worried that Homicide will be like The Wire, only not quite as good. Only one way to find out, I guess!

― Meg Busset, Saturday, 19 July 2008 19:26 (4 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

well, according to the current Tivo listings, on 4th october itv4 here in the UK is showing "La Famiglia" which is episode 1 of series 7 and i think is the first time it's been aired on english tv. (is, as usual, 2:55 in the morning but...)

(last night's was 6.16 The Abduction which is roughly where they stopped the last lot of repeats)

― koogs, Thursday, 25 September 2008 22:26 (4 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

In anticipation of this placing on the '90s poll, just thought I'd point out that Amazon at this very moment has an insane sale on the complete series. 60% off, dudes!!!

― Pooping And Crying (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 10 December 2009 05:16 (3 years ago) Permalink

nice. the wire complete set on sale too

― too shart (am0n), Thursday, 10 December 2009 06:08 (3 years ago) Permalink

4 weeks pass...

Pretty much best show ever created.

My husband would agree. We're only through season 1 and started watching s2. But he's hooked. And thinks it's the best show evah.

Me? I really like it. S1 was good, S2 seems even better. I did not like the Gyllenhaal directed ep, I have to admit. Hated it. Not the storyline, just the style of directing was totally off (imo)

― Nathalie (stevienixed), Thursday, 7 January 2010 15:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

2 years pass...

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/breaking/bs-md-simon-cassidy-20120311,0,547379.story

― shur fine (am0n), Sunday, 25 March 2012 17:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

man why did no one ever tell me andre braugher was on kojak

― j., Sunday, 28 April 2013 03:31 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

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