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Well, I had two questions in mind:

1) I was wondering about your stories often being cited - particularly Neveryon - as an inspiration for Xena: Warrior Princess. Are you aware of Xena and do you see it (and other Sword & Sorcery movements) as part of a general mainstreaming of fetishism?

2) Did you know Sun Ra credits William Dhalgren in Space is the Place? What do you think of Afrofuturism?

vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 04:11 (twenty years ago) link

So I asked him the first (phrased exactly like that). First he interrupted me to correct my pronunciation of Nevereyon (mind y'all i've never even read those stories, though i see enough bondage elsewhere in his writing to be interested in the question).

Then, when I say Xena, I got this huge laugh from the 200 person crowd, who I think were laughing at me. And Delany goes "Oh, GOD".

And then - mark s you would have DIED - he goes:

"Sword and Sorcery, that's so vague, what does that mean? I don't think QUESTIONS OF INFLUENCE are very interesting - who influenced what or what's influenced by who - that doesn't get a lot of mileage out of me."

So, sensing end of question, I repeat myself - do you see it anyway as the mainstreaming of fetishism?

"Oh yeah, sure. Fetishes always enter the mainstream and we create new ones in their place." (duh).

Thank god I didn't ask about Sun Ra (later he sez: "literary fiction analyzes the subject and genres analyze the social object, but i don't think genre conventions grant any special privelege or power").

The message I got: fuck y'all if you weren't invited to the graduate luncheon. i'm here to promote the product. Which is fair, of course, I'm just not comfortable looking the fool.

vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 04:18 (twenty years ago) link

haha brilliant: and you didn't even phrase it by using the 'i' word.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 06:25 (twenty years ago) link

haha from now on i will simply state as if it were obv to all that xena everywhere succeeds where delany wz merely striving

anyway thank you vahid, and v.sorry the spotlight felt maybe a bit hot and horrible up there for a moment - however at least you can be proud knowing you didn't ask creepy asslick questions so hurrah!!

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 08:13 (twenty years ago) link

Which Delany novel should i read first? And should I read him before or after John Brunner?

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 26 May 2003 00:54 (twenty years ago) link

Good questions both...I'll hold off on the second because I need to read more Brunner anyway, but for the first...*thinks*...maybe the Driftglass collection of short stories?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 26 May 2003 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

i would go straight for "stars in my pockets like grains of sand".

vahid (vahid), Monday, 26 May 2003 01:19 (twenty years ago) link

The Motion Of Light In Water is one of the best autobiographies/memoirs ever written (him being young & etc in NY 1957-1965) - pretty much the first thing I read of his, Tim, & I luvved luvved ELL YOU VEE luvved it to death.

Ess Kay (esskay), Monday, 26 May 2003 04:56 (twenty years ago) link

I've read nova and I've got jewels of aptor under the bed. I'll get onto it soon-ish.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 26 May 2003 08:16 (twenty years ago) link

The only Brunner I'd recommend is Stand On Zanzibar, which I really liked. I think Delany is a far more interesting writer. Dhalgren is my favourite novel, but I wouldn't suggest it as a starting place. The suggestions made are great, but if you fancy a slim SF novel, Babel-17, in which the danger is from an alien language which changes the way of thinking of those who become familiar with it, is a wonderful little delight. Nova and The Einstein Intersection are of similar quality.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 26 May 2003 21:32 (twenty years ago) link

Agreed, Dhalgren is brilliant but its a pretty tough read, with the whole unreliable narrator issue and a rather tangental plot. I still don't get what happens at the end of it, but I guess looking for a conventional resolution from this book is kind of missing the point.

Are people with only one shoe a running theme in his books? I've only read Dhalgren and Nova and it shows up in both.

David Beckhouse (David Beckhouse), Monday, 26 May 2003 22:14 (twenty years ago) link

i think it's in others also

mark s (mark s), Monday, 26 May 2003 22:16 (twenty years ago) link

Nova was indeed darn good, thanks for the reminder...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 26 May 2003 23:01 (twenty years ago) link

one month passes...
revive, because I have to tell this story which I was reminded of by JBR's book rec thread:

I bought this book used at Mary Jo's Book Exchange in Canby, Oregon, back when the population was about 3000 people. I took it home and started reading it and felt guilty, weird, scared: it was gay! and straight! and sexual! and cool! and difficult! I was probably in like 6th or 7th grade. Some education, no? Anyway, it freaked me out too much and I sold it back. Years later, in hschool, my issues sorted out, I read an article in The Portland International Review about how important, etc., it was. I bought it the next day at Powell's, with that same excellent cover, for like $2. I didn't know Delany was black OR gay OR anything.

And damn were The Einstein Intersection and Babel-17 mindfucks of the highest order.

Neudonym, Tuesday, 8 July 2003 00:47 (twenty years ago) link

I'm intimidated by Delany's huge body of work, but I did read Nova a few years ago (loved it) with the intention of working my way up to Dhalgren (which I read about half of before getting distracted and starting something else -- one day I intend to get back to it) (yeah, just like I keep "intending" to finish Foucault's Pendulum and Gravity's Rainbow).

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 00:54 (twenty years ago) link

Just started his autobio and very slow going becuz I keep getting delighted by the construction of his sentences. Pick hit from the first page: "Lips tight, my mother stood, flustered, embarrassed, and worried at once, perfectly still."

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 01:07 (twenty years ago) link

The clauses break down into one another, like a montage of static immages pushing to get to the fore. Past cinematic.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 01:08 (twenty years ago) link

one year passes...
I stopped reading Nova midway through to pick up Dhalgren, and now I'm just over halfway through that. It's amazing.

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 15:31 (nineteen years ago) link

:-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 15:52 (nineteen years ago) link

It's like if James Joyce was into S&M and getting paid $5 per page to write for FASA.

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 16:16 (nineteen years ago) link

I just remembered that the Junior Boys have a song called Bellona!

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 19:45 (nineteen years ago) link

When you finish reading the book, watch the movie version, Purple Rain.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 01:36 (nineteen years ago) link

The one you filmed on Saturday, I take it.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 01:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Ours was more like a Camus story.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 02:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Were you standing on a beach with a guitar in your hand?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 03:07 (nineteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
Dhalgren was great all the way through the end. I'm reading The Motion of Light in Water now, which confirms my suspicion that there is a lot of autobiography in Dhalgren. He talks about his youth and his early recurring writing themes and, though he hasn't mentioned it by name yet, Dhalgren seems like the logical summation of all of it.

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 10 January 2005 18:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Also he would think I'm hot because I bite my nails.

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 10 January 2005 18:09 (nineteen years ago) link

We just got a critical analysis of Delaney in entitled "A Sense of Wonder" by Dr. Jeffrey Tucker. Hmm.

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Monday, 10 January 2005 18:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Is it too late to ask a question? Probably. Too bad. I wanted to ask him who he thought had a better beard, him or Leland Sklar.

Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 10 January 2005 18:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Rah for Jordan. :-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 10 January 2005 18:35 (nineteen years ago) link

You're probably way too young for him, Jordan.

When I met him, I was very self-conscious about my nail-biting, although I realized that I was probably 20 years too young (and maybe 50lbs too thin) for his tastes. (Actually maybe I didn't know that latter part at that point; I met him before I had read much.)

Motion Of Light ends before he writes Dhalgren; I don't think he mentions it at all.

Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 10 January 2005 21:55 (nineteen years ago) link

two years pass...

Just finished Dark Reflections. The first two sections are really good, but the third one is weak, and almost makes me think less of the book as a whole. But going back and rereading bits of the first two sections is the antidote to that. Overall it's a good book, but not great.

Rock Hardy, Wednesday, 15 August 2007 03:26 (sixteen years ago) link

What's this? Is it a new collection of critical works?

Jon Lewis, Wednesday, 15 August 2007 15:24 (sixteen years ago) link

No, it's a new novel.

Rock Hardy, Wednesday, 15 August 2007 15:53 (sixteen years ago) link

Are you shitting me there's a new actual Delaney novel OMG?!?!

Jon Lewis, Wednesday, 15 August 2007 16:09 (sixteen years ago) link

Wow, didn't hear about this at all.

Jordan, Wednesday, 15 August 2007 16:22 (sixteen years ago) link

Is it another pr0n? (Not that I'm judging-- I liked Mad Man.)

Jon Lewis, Wednesday, 15 August 2007 16:25 (sixteen years ago) link

Not porn. Not SF. Delany, not Delaney.

Oh hell, here.

Rock Hardy, Wednesday, 15 August 2007 18:29 (sixteen years ago) link

I know I could easily have gone and found that myself, but thanks.

Looks great, actually. Might buy it tonight.

Jon Lewis, Wednesday, 15 August 2007 18:48 (sixteen years ago) link

one year passes...

hurry up and finish the sequel to "stars in their pockets like grains of sand" you fat bastard

moonship journey to baja, Saturday, 6 December 2008 21:02 (fifteen years ago) link

v4h1d hurry up and listen to the radio show me and mark s dedicated to him! it includes a reading of "aye and gomorrah".

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 6 December 2008 21:04 (fifteen years ago) link

link pls

moonship journey to baja, Saturday, 6 December 2008 21:05 (fifteen years ago) link

hurry up and finish the sequel to "stars in their pockets like grains of sand" you fat bastard

would be amazed but thrilled if this ever happens. Will be somewhat surprised if he ever publishes another sf novel.

WmC, Saturday, 6 December 2008 21:33 (fifteen years ago) link

one year passes...

Through the Valley of the Nest of Spiders coming sometime from Bamberger Books.

June 2009 interview: http://io9.com/5295779/samuel-delany-answers-your-science-fiction-questions

His 1971 film The Orchid has recently gone up on Youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ub4lqJXApRE&feature=related

America's Next Most Disabled Ballerina (WmC), Tuesday, 22 December 2009 19:22 (fourteen years ago) link

haha my first question on the revive was gonna be "where is 'through the valley of the nest of spiders' (you fat bastard)?"

strongohulkingtonsghost, Tuesday, 22 December 2009 22:53 (fourteen years ago) link

LOL pwnage

...some of the most recent incarnations of the Cyberpunk stuff seem to me to be kind of dull. It seems to become a collection of endless mannerist fights, with everyone firing various and sundry power guns at each other from around corners, and I don't see what the point of it all is.

.gif of the magpie (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 22 December 2009 23:21 (fourteen years ago) link

one year passes...

Bamberger went out of business, so he had to find a new publisher for Through the Valley of the Nest of Spiders. New publisher is Magnus Books, release date October 18 2011.

Mr. Patrick Batman (WmC), Sunday, 19 June 2011 16:46 (twelve years ago) link

hmmmmm.

btw fellow nerds, interview in the current paris review. (one with wm. gibson too.) haven't read it yet but it's the first p.r. i've been interested in front-to-back in quite a while.

strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Sunday, 19 June 2011 16:49 (twelve years ago) link

Nice. $30/4 issues for ipad, I might do that.

Also, since the last time I checked (3-4 months ago), finally there's some Delany available as e-books.

Mr. Patrick Batman (WmC), Sunday, 19 June 2011 16:56 (twelve years ago) link

actually i did finish it, because i remember the last page very vividly now, and it's a hell of a punchline if nothing else.

strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Monday, 3 December 2012 02:30 (eleven years ago) link

one month passes...

i picked up 'through the valley...' again this morning and it's interesting how easy it was to fall back into the rhythm of it, eric and shit and dynamite collecting trash and drinking each other's piss, and jay and mex piloting the ferry and eating shit out on the island, and so on and so forth

attempt to look intentionally nerdy, awkward or (thomp), Saturday, 2 February 2013 17:26 (eleven years ago) link

i mean, it's a rare novel you can pick up again at six month intervals and not feel like the effort's become completely pointless

attempt to look intentionally nerdy, awkward or (thomp), Saturday, 2 February 2013 17:28 (eleven years ago) link

just checking in with your poop-eating friends.

a basset hound (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Saturday, 2 February 2013 17:49 (eleven years ago) link

i still need to read this.

a basset hound (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Saturday, 2 February 2013 17:49 (eleven years ago) link

For whatever reason I pulled a copy of Dhalgren off the shelf last night and reread the first 80 or so pages. The Kid's about to become a poet and get his ass kicked.

Dr. Alfred P. Falfa (WilliamC), Saturday, 2 February 2013 17:56 (eleven years ago) link

to be fair, i probably feel more excited at the idea of rereading dhalgren than i do getting through the second half of ...spiders.

attempt to look intentionally nerdy, awkward or (thomp), Sunday, 3 February 2013 03:41 (eleven years ago) link

two years pass...

good thread, someone said 15 years too late

zionsmommy (mattresslessness), Friday, 5 June 2015 05:25 (eight years ago) link

one month passes...

crossposting from the ILB thread.

Good (first half of an) interview: http://www.sfsignal.com/archives/2015/07/interview-samuel-r-delany-three-novels-launched-career-part-1/

He was also interviewed by Gary Wolfe for the Coode Street Podcast — http://jonathanstrahan.podbean.com/e/episode-241-samuel-r-delany/ — but it seemed a bit lightweight and inessential. Getting a bit of press/doing a bit of promotional work for the new Vintage edition of three early novels.

dart scar rashes (WilliamC), Friday, 24 July 2015 15:50 (eight years ago) link

Didn't know about those reprints, thanks!

Ned Raggett, Friday, 24 July 2015 15:54 (eight years ago) link

For all my Delany fandom, in the early 80s I breezed through his early work once, quickly and with poor attention to detail. Time to reread.

dart scar rashes (WilliamC), Friday, 24 July 2015 16:00 (eight years ago) link

one month passes...

Another good new interview, from The Nation - http://www.thenation.com/article/samuel-r-delany-speaks/

rack of lamb of god (WilliamC), Monday, 24 August 2015 21:52 (eight years ago) link

The Motion Of Light In Water is one of the best autobiographies/memoirs ever written (him being young & etc in NY 1957-1965) - pretty much the first thing I read of his, Tim, & I luvved luvved ELL YOU VEE luvved it to death.
― Ess Kay (esskay), Sunday, May 25, 2003 11:56 PM (12 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it's true

slam dunk, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 01:12 (eight years ago) link

three years pass...

Still a hero, another new interview:

https://io9.gizmodo.com/samuel-r-delany-on-his-legacy-creativity-and-promisc-1833407173

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 1 May 2019 23:44 (five years ago) link


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