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felt like there might have been key parts of the dialogue they cleaned up to a comic degree, big plot points, and other parts they let stay at "no, matt-main, i will gespacho SOIL". it was definitely sort of like he pressed an intercom button whenever he wanted to speak, maybe consistent breathing was just too clearly vader-esque.

fair enough, even if i totally didnt notice that at ALL, but dont blame it on the poor ADR tech!

unless you really can't fathom what people are talking about, can you elucidate who's fault this shit really was if it wasn't the sound mixer. i bow to your expertise unless you expertise tells you the sudden spurts of HELLO HOW ARE YOU I AM BAAANE was a bang-up job by everyone

i understood what he was saying! way better than in teh trailer

i didnt understand the motivation for anything he did in the movie, that was a bigger problem for me

The frozen river thing was so weird, especially when Crane's like "ok...you get death...by FROZEN RIVER!"

― da croupier, Friday, August 3, 2012 12:58 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

that was a funny line!

i did sit there thinking "how would they punish people in the summer" though

that was a groaner

death by unga bunga

it was "death... by exile" and i lol'd

Slocki otm - I could understand most of what he said, but why???

Reminds me of the scene in the cartoon transformers movie 'guilty or innocent?' 'Innocent!!' [queue trapdoor into a pit of crocs or whateva]

jeezus... the complaint is not about intelligibility, it's about the weird disembodied effect on his voice

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I don't get complaining about the quality of the ADR. He's wearing a mask, you can't see his mouth move.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ttKJwvFIgw&feature=fvwrel

The problem with Bane is clearly in the mix. You know how famous musicians say they mix their albums on high end equipment, then take it out to the car to hear how it actually sounds on systems people use? It's like Nolan mixed this for A+ systems even though most theaters only have C-level speakers.

jeezus... the complaint is not about intelligibility, it's about the weird disembodied effect on his voice

― Number None, Friday, August 3, 2012 1:09 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

it was a compromise after audiences grumbled about not understanding him in the MI4 preview. they rerecorded him and made him less masky sounding, but the tradeoff is that the voice sounds less 'sourced' - its not perfect but really who fucking cares

we are supposed to say italics in bane voice itt, right?

Hardy's performance is a way bigger problem but it doesn't help

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MaJy7LH5js

i really do wonder if they had to have his presence leap in and leap out because otherwise it would have been Sean Connery as Vader even more than it was

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YwLQSTo_ow

(This never fails to crack me up)

Bane's voice had a cheap 70s Italian horror vibe in that it seemed to be a really obvious ADR job, to the point of canceling out any foley sound whenever it was switched on (this may be more true of the impression it made on my faulty memory rather than how it actually sounds). It's kind of jarring with the otherwise supermodern effects & ~naturalistic~ performances but that's what I dug about it.

Maybe the face mask transmits it wirelessly to a surround sound system Bane spread throughout Gotham?

batman totally shoulda muted him during their big fight

guys I practiced my Bane voice during my drive over lunch and cracked up

This film suffers from many of the same probs as Prometheus - lots of cool action, nonsensical plot with defenestrated character motives throughout

I think Prometheus is a lot goofier than the Dark Knight Rises, not that that is necessarily a bad thing.

if only this movie had lots of cool action

eh, i think they're about equally goofy, not a problem in either case. the problem is the shitty.

Dark Knight is wayyyy better than Prometheus just on a basic competence level. You might or might not find it exciting but there's not shit like the two completely inexplicable, inconsistent, and generally insane supporting scientist characters. Still no clue what was going on with that.

Bah. Prometheus takes the battle of lavish summer disappointments 2012 in a walk.

dark knight was *yawn* prometheus was "holy fuck are you serious"

Prometheus was pretty good. way better than this crapola

prometheus was at least impressively bad

maybe i'm just one of the rare people that got caught up in the drama of Dark Knight Rises -- i had managed to avoid spoilers so as the plot kept escalating i was genuinely going 'wow this is getting really dire, how's Batman gonna get out of this mess!'

i had avoided spoilers but pretty much every story beat was in the trailers (or previous batman media) so it was all predictable to me

did batman get out of this mess by hitting someone

he rose duh

he jumped onto a rock

dark knight was *yawn* prometheus was "holy fuck are you serious"

personally it was more "yup" and "holy fuck you are serious" - don't really wanna say i liked prometheus more, so much as i wasn't as prepared for the lunacy

plus there's something to be said for a nutty sequel that pushes a story forward over a nutty prequel that brings a story to where it started

this was dumb as rocks and i was heavy bored in the last hour but anne hathaway was fun and i thought tom hardy thought up a cool voice. in my theatre it was the single most intelligible voice in the mix; everyone else got routinely drowned out by score or gunfire but bane had his booming PA system. it was jarring at first but i decided his mask was a megaphone. it's a shame they didn't have him stop every three or four words to let a large crowd repeat his lines.

i loled a couple times, though sometimes unkindly. the joke i'm not all that proud of laughing at but i dunno it just got me was "there isn't any money here. this is a stock exchange." "REALLY? THEN WHY ARE ALL OF YOU HERE?" i also liked at the end when the little kid says "no -- it's batman!", like a dispatch from a less leaden superhero movie. god the explaining in this movie. more explaining it sometimes seemed than inception. and poor michael caine pretending to cry.

cillian murphy always a delight tho.

i sat next to an old guy who literally rubbed his hands together with glee whenever there seemed a chance that a cop might shoot someone. he also did it when catwoman kissed batman.

prometheus was at least impressively bad

Yeah, they put some work into it to make it that terrible. "Dark Knight Rises" just sort of ... glides along a monorail of its own mediocrity. There was a distinct lack of rising, or falling, for that matter. Just ... being.

I always find the Red Letter Media guys remarkable perceptive, so I was surprised not that they liked this but by how much they liked this. They stressed in their review that it's more about character than plot, but even if that were true, I'm not sure how much of a character arc this movie successfully illustrates (even if it does it better than, say, The Avengers, which doesn't aspire to anything deep and succeeded wonderfully as a comic book film). I'm not really sure how much I cared about Bruce Wayne's personal and literal fortunes or fate, and the other characters really got short thrift on the development department.

I liked how Cat Woman was given no back story (or nickname Cat Woman, for that matter), but she felt like a lot of good lines in search of her own arc, which a movie this overstuffed had no room for. JGL had a lot of pathos, but I still felt he was pretty broadly painted and squeezed into the movie at every opportunity with the most cynical of franchise-floating motives. And Bane ... I don't know what the fuck was up with him, as much as I liked him as a villain until he was instantly cuckolded by Talia.

oh yeah catwoman had no reason to be in it but then nor did anything else. cotillard had a reason to be in it but pretty much wasn't. the movie's judgments about whom and what should be given screen time and how much were so weird that i just focused on catwoman's dece oneliners and her studied cartoon movement, and bane's inflections, instead of on her irrelevant flashdrive macguffin (where the fuck does bruce suddenly get it from, by the way, near the end? i probably missed something) or his exhausting empty it's-power-no-it's-communism-no-it's-revenge-no-it's-a-girl-oh-he's-dead motive shuffle.

loled when morgan freeman introduced THE BAT with something like "it was designed for urban pacification." no wonder you guys are broke, you designed a manned vehicle for urban pacification. get w the times.

Yeah, where the fuck is the Bat Drone? Get on it!

you people who wanna see HOW batman does every single thing he does kinda don't get batman imo

otm

I'll settle for "why" things happen, then I'll get around to complaining about "how."

the movie fit together enough while i was watching it that honestly i am happy to reconcile most of the plot holes or leaps of logic with the knowledge that it's a fucking batman movie