Come anticipate "The Dark Knight Rises" with *BATSPOILERS*

See, their morals, their code... it's a bad joke. Dropped at the first sign of trouble. They're only as good as the world allows them to be. I'll show you, when the pants are down, these... these civilized people? They'll eat each other. See, I'm not a monster, I'm just ahead of the curve.

Come on, I want you to do it, I want you to do it. Come on, hit me. Hit me!

Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch Big Wet Asses 8.

And yes, it does come in black.

I'm gonna make this pencil..disappear.

Different pencil magic trick, i presume.

ah, you beat me to the punch

you look nervous. is it the [CENSORED]? you want to know how I got ‘em?

yeah one thing that really sucked was that after coming back to face bane a second time, all he does is... charge at him again throwing rights and lefts

after being thoroughly sonned in the first fight, batman came back with knowledge of bane's one weakness - being punched in the mouth repeatedly.

he also doesn't wildly throw punches as much, and lets Bane come to him

On some level this just all stems from a different attitude about the Batman character; in general, Nolan has done comparitively little with him being the world's greatest detective. There's moments of detecting (the bizarre bullet-reconstruction scene in TDK) but we don't get half as much of him sneaking around, gathering clues, and working out a MENTAL plan to defeat somebody, as opposed to just having the best toys and the best kung-fu plus the elements of surprise and spookiness. I think it's fine up to a point, but yeah, it makes the Bane rematch really unsatisfying - - - and again, how hard would it be to have shown Bruce's clever, left-field plan for sneaking back into Gotham? Turn the plot hole into something that really makes us cheer for the character's creativity, etc.

It felt like he didn't have much of a character arc as Bruce Wayne in this film, either. The prior two had him using his identity as cover for Batman adventures to a greater extent or he had to reconcile his roles. It seems like he actually decided to hang up the identity of Bruce Wayne for eight years until he picks it up after this film.

you know, it's kind of fitting Nolan made Batman a huffy technocrat who doesn't really think things through but manages to hit the goalpost anyway

lol "hit the goal" i mean

the time shifts muddled a lot of the coherence and tension. it starts with over explaining the 8 year jump and then my prison rehab sched is the same as the nuclear decay sched of the bomb, ok. they needed to untie those two events. break batmans back in the opening. then do some flashbacks, maybe a training montage in russia.

I liked this, as with the last one it could've been shaved down by about 20 minutes, but I thought it was a pretty satisfactory way to wrap the trilogy. Sure, some clunky Nolan dialogue moments, but nothing enough to ruin the film for me. I think what surprised me the most was that I didn't hate JGL in this as I expected and Hathaway did a pretty good job in her role.

― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Sunday, July 22, 2012 5:51 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark

way late to finally seeing the movie but this is the post itt that i agree with the most. definitely understand most of the gripes about the movie but really enjoyed it anyway.

I had planned to see this the week after it opened, but I was actually too nervous. I went to an afternoon showing with a friend today (maybe eight or ten people in the theatre). I didn't like it as much as #2, which was kind of incoherent but had Heath Ledger; this one was more incoherent (and often inaudible) and didn't. I'm sure any other complaints I might have will have been covered many times over by now. ("He's not really getting up out of that hospital bed, is he? That's not really happening, right?") I liked seeing the nutcase friend from A Simple Plan, and I'm quite happy watching Anne Hathaway for as long as she's on-screen.

does anyone else feel like the audio mix on the Bane voice sucked? every time he talked it seemed like they just patched in an audio track so you'd get little breathing noises just before and after he spoke but no sound from him in between lines (unlike, say, Darth Vader)? not that he should've constantly been loudly breathing but it sounded awkward and wrong to me. also i didn't really care for the voice itself, his cadences were sometimes almost Yoda-like (sorry for multiple Star Wars refs).

I thought the voice was menacing enough, but I literally could not pick up more than half of what he was saying. Making sure of one before the other seems so basic.

yeah, it was an extremely obvious ADR job

There were like 3-4 times that I didn't understand Bane, which is less than ideal, but I felt like it could've been worse too

I thought it might have been me, but my friend said he had the same problem. I don't know, maybe it was partly the theatre, but I didn't have trouble with any of the other characters.

i pretty much had no problem understanding Bane, and the maybe couple of times i didn't catch his line i didn't mind since he basically never said anything especially clever or integral to the plot. but i guess i'm way in the minority in thinking Bane was one of the movie's biggest weaknesses (and that Catwoman was one of its biggest strengths).

i think the soundsystem of the theater might be a big factor. i saw it in IMAX and it was booming from every direction

Understood him fine (would have been something if they went with the original, completely unintelligible voice though), just thought he was lame

i either never watched the preview w/ the original voice or saw it once and don't remember it so i just have an idealized idea of it being unintelligible but really intense and scary compared to what they ended up with.

i guess i'm way in the minority in thinking Bane was one of the movie's biggest weaknesses (and that Catwoman was one of its biggest strengths).

― some random MC rappin' mcdude (some dude), Thursday, August 2, 2012 6:51 PM (7 minutes ago)

a minority of at least two

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShlukoB1xMY

That sounds right--we opted to go to the smaller, less attended theatre. (I'll mention in passing that I just read David Edelstein's review, and he had the same problem: "...but Hardy's distorted voice is a cross between Darth Vader and Andy Kaufman's Foreign Man. He's unintelligible." But louder would have helped, I'm sure.) Agree completely that Hathaway was one of the film's strengths.

I can hear him fine in the final-film portion of that clip. There's no way the sound was that clear in what we saw this afternoon.

ok that comparison really makes me wish they hadn't re-recorded it, in almost every instance the final version sounds all goofy and jaunty by comparison.

yeah, line delivery is way better in the original, though nearly unintelligible

I also like that they tried to make the film timely. I'm sure the OWS angle strikes many people as grasping at relevance, possibly even laughably so, and I wouldn't argue the point. But all in all, and compared to existing in a vacuum, I'm fine with that--Hathaway's "There's a storm coming" line is good. I just wish they had done something more with that. It's there, then it's not there.

The film was written already when that shit was going on.

Interesting. (Coppola wrote the script for The Conversation years before Watergate.) I guess they were either very prescient, or caught a break.

to be fair economic equality and class warfare were pretty huge topics of national discussion for 2-3 years before OWS, that was just kind of the thing that ultimately became the brand name that encapsulated that energy

that conflict would have been enough to carry the story. but we end up getting flooded with league of shadows back story that dulled things out imo.

movie needed a lot more Catwoman

but I liked it ok

yeah, it was an extremely obvious ADR job

― Number None, Thursday, August 2, 2012 9:29 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

dude is wearing a giant metal mask over his mouth, there is no way this could NOT have been an ADR job

what are you, some kind of cinema theory know it all

sound mix was ass

i have to assume s1ocki saying tom hardy was the best thing in this isn't the same thing as saying tom hardy did the best job, unless s1ocki just wants to watch the world burn.

felt like there might have been key parts of the dialogue they cleaned up to a comic degree, big plot points, and other parts they let stay at "no, matt-main, i will gespacho SOIL". it was definitely sort of like he pressed an intercom button whenever he wanted to speak, maybe consistent breathing was just too clearly vader-esque.

Knowing me, Bane, knowing you, Batman...ah HA-aa!

All I'm saying is his voice is the only thing I remember enjoying at all in this misbegotten lump of a movie

yeah that's what i figured

that voice comparison video is cracking me UP - - - jesus, how hilarious would this movie have been if they'd left the original voice in as just this completely unintelligible mishmash? He sounds like the grownups in Peanuts specials! "All right, Bane, what game are you trying to play here?!" "BWHSDLKFJ, FAhAHLK! OJSDFS JK SDA DFSKJDF FLARHGHH!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBqY6cJD3CE

"Ever do any fishing?"
"BARGHHHLKA HHAHGGGHAHHGHH"
"Oh really? Where do you usually go?"

Saw this last night. What a load of crabapples. Bored within 20 minutes and I just waited and waited for it to improve and despite getting a bit better by the last half hour it was largely poop with extra clagnuts on top.

yeah, it was an extremely obvious ADR job

― Number None, Thursday, August 2, 2012 9:29 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

dude is wearing a giant metal mask over his mouth, there is no way this could NOT have been an ADR job

― joaquin haus-partizan (s1ocki), Friday, 3 August 2012 06:29 (4 hours ago) Bookmark

well it wasn't originally, hence the unintelligibility. What i'm saying is they did a bad job of making it sound like the voice was actually emanating from Bane's mouth at all