Pretend you have a ballot for the 2012 edition of Sight & Sound's top 10 movies of all time list

ok we have an F for Fake sighting on Sl4nt

along w/ JLG's King Lear at #1

I could tell...basically the point I was trying to underscore. I assume that impacted the results, unless you would expect a much larger field of voters to vote proportionally the same as last time. (Which is opposite to what Eric's saying. Good question: does a much larger field make idiosyncratic results inevitable or impossible?)

Hey, did Heaven's Gate get any votes? I know Robin Wood would have voted for it.

James Wolcott's 2022 ballot:

1. MARGARET 2. VERTIGO 3. THE SEARCHERS 4. TINY FURNITURE. 5. CITIZEN KANE 5. IN THE MOOD FOR LOVE..9. ISHTAR

nice.

is Chantal Akerman at 35= the only woman in the 50? is she the first woman ever in the 50?

it is possible that last time i was reading these poll results i thought carol reed & lindsay anderson women, but i can imagine she's the first (& is the only woman in this top fifty, yep). i hope the top 100 lets a lil more '90s/21st century light in. directors' top 10 is more interesting to me than the critics, i think:

1. Tokyo Story (Ozu, 1953)

=2 2001: A Space Odyssey (Kubrick, 1968)

=2 Citizen Kane (Welles, 1941)

4. 8 ½ (Fellini, 1963)

5. Taxi Driver (Scorsese, 1976)

6. Apocalypse Now (Coppola, 1979)

=7 The Godfather (Coppola, 1972)

=7 Vertigo (Hitchcock, 1958)

9. Mirror (Tarkovsky, 1974)

10. Bicycle Thieves (De Sica, 1948)

i pledge allegiance to the body that works to keep bicycle thieves in the top 10 out of affection & principle - i guess maybe sunrise is the thing that takes its place as something clear as a bell, simple made perfect

Surprising number of silent films in the top 10?

I know complaining about what isn't there gets old fast but I'll do it anyway. Apart from Akerman, Godard or Battle for Algiers there is nothing too confrontational is there? No Pasolini (lol at Fellini), Resnais, Fassbinder, Oshima, Ferreri, Ghatak, Sembene, Makavejev.

Don't really like the sensibility at display here. But I like that a film from the late 50 is at no.1.

The usual not enough films from women/Africa/Asia and all. Maybe its because I've watched most of these.

Surprising number of silent films in the top 10?
ian christie i think the first to posit the relevance of the artist in this - can't begin to untangle the feedback loop of critical impulses that might corroborate this, ie persnickety critics who've had real silents on the tip of their tongues for months.

struggling to take this in in list form; am really looking forward to the illustrated list. like someone just mentioned that le mepris made it, which i hadn't picked up - this is crazy to me (& feels, tenuously, like a further affront to the absence of Lang's M), & something i'd just breezed past. that histoires du cinema made it is more interesting, but this is maybe just a fact of godard's complex position i guess. it would be hard to imagine anything super surprising in the rest of the list just because of the numbers it would require. crossing fingers for iran i think.

yr point about confrontational is true but i almost feel like that says something about canons being inherently anti-confrontational, & the sample size cancelling out marginal works. like mirror & histoires maybe occupy some similar cinematic ground. can imagine sembene in the full #100, though.

Yeah I wanted to speculate on the effect The Artist might have had but I didn't have the heart.

Get your point re: canons but I feel like this is taking out some very great filmmaking in favour of thrash like The Godafather.

re: Mepris I think there is far too much Godard and Tarkovsky, as much as I like those two.

Sembene is top 20 material, not 100. Him and Ghatak not making it is a real shame.

8 1/2 is actually my favorite of the top ten (tho I like them all). It may say something that I don't really care for any other Fellini though.

is Chantal Akerman at 35= the only woman in the 50? is she the first woman ever in the 50?

Definitely the only woman in the 2012 list. Not sure about first woman ever, since I'm not sure S&S published a top 50 before recently.

The guy who runs the They Shoot Pictures Don't They? site has all of the data, though, and from poking through some of it, I was able to find a handful of woman-directed films that have scored at least one vote prior to 2012:

Triumph of the Will (Riefenstahl): 1 (1952)
Meshes of the Afternoon (Deren): 2 (1992), 1 (2002)
Orlando (Potter): 1 (1992), 2 (2002)
Daisies (Chytilova): 1 (1992, 2002)
Cleo from 5 to 7 (Varda): 1 (2002)
The Piano (Campion): 2 (2002)

I can't imagine what else could've gotten enough votes to crack the top 50.

Fwiw, Jeanne Dielman got 1 vote in 1992 and 2 votes in 2002 before getting 34 this year.

i think it was almost impossible to see before the restoration and DVD release a few years ago.

Satantango at 35= with Jeanne Dielman is probably the other film which the DVD release has so drastically influenced the standings of.

i feel like there's no way stango's on the 2022 list too, but who knows

the global apocalypse in 5 years time could affect its standing.

Actually, I'm not sure those some of those vote totals I listed are 100% correct, but suffice to say, none of those films racked up a lot of votes.

irritated about the films in the top 50 I can't rent on netflix grumble grumble

I posted some thoughts on the results on my page. I will be one of a zillion people to do so in the next few days.

http://phildellio.tripod.com/

This is where I have no sense of how big a story the list is. I was saying upthread that it may not be as big a story as it used to be. There's enough out there already that I guess I'm wrong. But I've been periodically checking CNN today, hoping to see some small mention, and nothing so far that I can see. So I don't know where big ends and really big starts.

The website, I mean, not on TV.

it was a decent sized story on your actual real BBC1 news. that's pretty big for a poll.

speaking of Sembene, I wonder how many African films got votes?

I admit I have no idea who Ghatak is.

I know at least a couple people voted for Outer Space. Which is incredibly awesome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqjfPL_lmrs

My pretend ballot, for 2022 I guess.

La Règle du jeu
The General
The Empire Strikes Back
Seven Samurai
It Happened One Night
Groundhog Day
McCabe and Mrs. Miller
The Princess Bride
My Dinner With Andre
The Gold Rush

I was thinking about Gance's Napoleon film last night (which I've never seen)...seems to me that it may have done fairly well in the '82 or '92 poll, whichever one came after the Coppola re-release. Has it completely disappeared from voter's lists?

speaking of Sembene, I wonder how many African films got votes?

i feel like he always does pretty well w/S&S/critics lists &c; i guess he might be hindered by choice, since xala, black girl & moolaade each are p frequently cited as his masterpiece

I admit I have no idea who Ghatak is.

― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 2 August 2012 01:01 (16 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i only know him from xyz's killer film recaps; he made a film about a car that's <2hrs & i thought might be a good place to start, i can't remember what it's called

Not to get all A.J. Weberman, but here's Sarris's handwritten list from the '62 poll:

http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t427/sayhey1/sarris.jpg

http://www.awardsdaily.com/blog/2012/08/01/sight-sound-poll-2012-top-10-films-of-all-time/

One that I'm surprised to see so high is Le Mépris - I like earlier Godard, but I found it rather sterile and joyless.

Not 100 percent on why that one gets so much love, either. I'd opt for Weekend, tho, over Breathless.

Anne Carson does have some interesting remarks about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jb6JW89EF5U

One that I'm surprised to see so high is Le Mépris - I like earlier Godard, but I found it rather sterile and joyless.

my complaint about Godard generally, with exceptions

I obv get some of the most joy when he's at his angriest, with exceptions.

are his films – even the ones from the seventies – ever angry?

The guy has made a fetish out of the contemplative gaze.

Weekend is a very angry film.

yes. xxp

Notre Musique (what, 2001?) was angry.

Probably my favorites are still Masculin-Feminin, JLG/JLG, 2 or 3 Things...

I don't see it. He's having a ball while the world self-destructs.

or, rather, watching the destruction through sunglasses

That's just it. There can be joy in anger.

You just don't destroy the world without hating it.

too bad Gore Vidal never worked for him

The only part of Mepris I really liked was the big famous sequence in the apartment. All the stuff with Jack Palance felt flat to me.

There's still plenty of Godard I haven't seen, but if there's anything more fun than Bande a Part I'd like to know.

we better stop turning this thread into a Smashing Pumpkins lyrics depository

we are destroying the world, he's doing play-by-play.

tipsy, have you seen Uncle Jean-Luc eating reels of celluloid? is that King Lear?

re: la mepris

feel like it earns some love as a sorta landmark film - just a timely example of colour and the free association of godard towards other media - lang, bardot - at that time. the godard picks are def interesting - like it's great that histoires is in there - & some degree of "i'd sub la petit soldat for _____" is inevitable, but mepris feels like a different category of outsider, yeah.

on looking a lil more closely at the list, la regle du jou is the one that most surprises me, being so high -- i thought if some kind of contemporary mood was going to dictate the additions and disappearances to the list, the rise of sunrise, &c, the synaesthesia of vertigo over the klout of cain, it would've drawn away from renoir's film. but maybe not. i haven't seen it in a while.