Yes! It's excellent. The decision to redo the "No Diggity" vocals seems wrongheaded right up to the amazing overlapping-vocoders-of-ecstasy chorus.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 1 August 2012 20:46 (eleven years ago) link
I haven't really been following this thread at all but that mix is fantastic.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 1 August 2012 21:06 (eleven years ago) link
if we're going to reminisce on ca-2000 2-step comps, this is the one the i basically wore the grooves out of:
http://www.discogs.com/Various-Matt-Jam-Lamont-Presents-The-Jam-Experience/release/173880
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 2 August 2012 09:33 (eleven years ago) link
E1D - It's A Lot! The UKG Sessions, Vol 5
and what do you know, it's great
― Tim F, Thursday, 2 August 2012 20:10 (eleven years ago) link
New one from Royal T & Roska
http://soundcloud.com/roskaroskaroska/royal-t-ft-roska-work-your
Sounds pretty wicked. Tough garage vibes with added hoovers.
― jimitheexploder, Friday, 3 August 2012 15:59 (eleven years ago) link
Oh that's amazing.
― matt damon & the jb's (the anephric project), Saturday, 4 August 2012 00:54 (eleven years ago) link
Indeed!
― Tim F, Saturday, 4 August 2012 01:17 (eleven years ago) link
wow
― the late great, Saturday, 4 August 2012 02:06 (eleven years ago) link
who is mike delinquent? does ukg recycle more tunes than chicago or fewer?
― the late great, Saturday, 4 August 2012 02:07 (eleven years ago) link
also i thought roska's tag line was "roska roska roska roska" not "roska roska roska" as in his soundcloud link?
― the late great, Saturday, 4 August 2012 02:13 (eleven years ago) link
so, gott ist tot. what to do. one one hand, while away the evenings arguing about orbital with southall, on the other...
on the assumption that my subsconscious whims are and always have been an underground river of otm:
let's lay all the notes out. where was q going before his untimely death? the house in house & garage, full circle ouroboros. maturation of bass? the medlar remix of disclosure. disclosure themselves. mk mix of storm queen. jamie jones vs azari big at the tail end of funky. bashmore topping the urban and scene charts with 'au seve'. garage scene raving to annie mac. something like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlvRKqbET2o
something like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmQSCpJSIaY
DEFINITELY something like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRXg6F4V7z0
huxley. hot creations. nick hannam. hot creations and nick hannam. the jackin lot - cheap n cheerful boshers AND proper house-trained operators fluent in todays clubbing, not the late, crippled baby steps house deejaying that permeated and set off london funky. hannah wants, maya jane coles , what the diff? the garage scene has never been closer to house than it has been now. is it one sided? is it mutual? if they didnt meet halfway where did they meet? murky, got a bass to it. real actual bass. 'hialeah house party' is grimy as hell. vox samples - wiseguys or brandy or fonda rae or gotye or allure it doesnt matter don't you see
― r|t|c, Thursday, 30 August 2012 11:42 (eleven years ago) link
never been closer *since inception, obv
― r|t|c, Thursday, 30 August 2012 11:44 (eleven years ago) link
Waiting until I go to bed and dream tonight in order properly to decode the above but in the meantime I can say with certainty that "Jagged Edge", "Must Be You" and "Bassline Soldiers" are all straight fire beautiful tunes. PROPER BUBBLERS.
And get at stuff I was talking about above, the idea of bubbliness as something that can't be reduced to an objective sub-style - i mean these are all "just" house tunes yet still so fidgety and effervescent (and yet ominous). Really difficult to pin down exactly how that tightrope is trod, and what are the poles it's stretched between.
Though here's something: all this stuff can sound, if you squint, a bit like... Nu Groove?
― Tim F, Thursday, 30 August 2012 12:26 (eleven years ago) link
no doubt. konders, joey negro, and in partic kenny dope was another plate i had spinning at the back of my mind, the hip hop house but not hiphouse approach behind hot creations et al. made this little pile of sampley ones but then you can stretch it out into the classic breaks and boogie samples
Wildkats - Perpetrating (Original Mix)Adam Port - Someone To Love (Original Mix)Bubba - Dance With Me (Original Mix)Claptone - Cream (Original Mix)NTFO & Rhadow - Don't Stop (Original Mix)Robosonic - Worst LoveJay Lumen - As One (Original Mix)
― r|t|c, Thursday, 30 August 2012 12:39 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah I was listening to Konders tonight which is what made me think it.
― Tim F, Thursday, 30 August 2012 12:40 (eleven years ago) link
and like, plug those into the jackin refixes of 'cream', busta, wiseguys, fatboy slim, missy...
― r|t|c, Thursday, 30 August 2012 12:41 (eleven years ago) link
vox samples - wiseguys or brandy or fonda rae or gotye or allure it doesnt matter don't you see (emphasis mine)
I think this is a really important point.
Like in the jackin' house thread Lex was complaining about "You Want Me" using a Shola Ama tune as if it was part of the same modish R&B vocal sample trend as Blawan or whatevs, and it's like, no, they really don't care where it comes from, that's the difference.
― Tim F, Thursday, 30 August 2012 12:44 (eleven years ago) link
how about further. bashmore into jessie ware. the way ware never convinces but is affecting on the basis of not convincing. is she a replicant? 88-96 simulation. boogie nu-groove neo-noir repertory music for offworld colonies
i.
yeah i was thinking about that with ware90s teen tastemakers but also but 90s proto-thirtysomethings recognising a familiar port in a baffling storm (ware big on 6music), plus pious mirage of integrity for the adele crowd, plus the endless pointless gleaming simulacra of uk bass music's koolhaasian junkspacesorted guvnor- r|t|c, Saturday, 9 June 2012 14:33 (2 months ago) Bookmark
90s teen tastemakers but also but 90s proto-thirtysomethings recognising a familiar port in a baffling storm (ware big on 6music), plus pious mirage of integrity for the adele crowd, plus the endless pointless gleaming simulacra of uk bass music's koolhaasian junkspace
sorted guvnor
- r|t|c, Saturday, 9 June 2012 14:33 (2 months ago) Bookmark
ii.
Tyrell: If we gift them the past we create a cushion or pillow for their emotions and consequently we can control them better.Deckard: Memories. You're talking about memories.
Deckard: Memories. You're talking about memories.
― r|t|c, Thursday, 30 August 2012 12:50 (eleven years ago) link
LOL
Keep going
― Tim F, Thursday, 30 August 2012 12:51 (eleven years ago) link
90s crit for 90s retro!
― r|t|c, Thursday, 30 August 2012 12:51 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9eWTi_kVxo
anthem?
― r|t|c, Thursday, 30 August 2012 12:53 (eleven years ago) link
allow me to be the first to notice how mutabaruka (on konders 'the poem') sounds exactly like wiley pretending to be his mum
― r|t|c, Thursday, 30 August 2012 13:31 (eleven years ago) link
and subsequently to extract great cosmic meaning from that obv
― r|t|c, Thursday, 30 August 2012 13:33 (eleven years ago) link
idgi
― the late great, Thursday, 30 August 2012 23:50 (eleven years ago) link
this stuff sounds more like sydenham / ferrer than any of the stuff you guys are mentioning
we went through this shit a couple years ago, no?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lfa2yAgtXY
― the late great, Thursday, 30 August 2012 23:51 (eleven years ago) link
if there's ever a dance meme that makes me want to vomit its BACK TO BASICS
― the late great, Thursday, 30 August 2012 23:52 (eleven years ago) link
we gonna have another 50 posts of you not knowing what planet you're on doggie?
― r|t|c, Thursday, 30 August 2012 23:55 (eleven years ago) link
stfu and actually listen to whats being discussed for a change
― r|t|c, Thursday, 30 August 2012 23:56 (eleven years ago) link
i listened to monty luke but i really have better things to be doing than being LOCKED ON to BBC1
― the late great, Thursday, 30 August 2012 23:57 (eleven years ago) link
also stuf and actually discuss what's being discussed
like you're never going to be mark s jr dance edition if you don't have the patience for anything other than cryptic references for "the bubbling crew"
― the late great, Thursday, 30 August 2012 23:59 (eleven years ago) link
but hey if this is NO GURLS ALLOWED DANCE THREAD i'll just *flounce off*
i'm sorry if i'm being rude but if there's a worse look than my "idgi" it's your "fuck off then if you don't get it"
― the late great, Friday, 31 August 2012 00:01 (eleven years ago) link
you are talking. about music. you havent. listened to. it is literally as simple as that. what the fuck attention do you think you're owed exactly?
― r|t|c, Friday, 31 August 2012 00:05 (eleven years ago) link
an explanation?
anyway i'm talking about monty luke, how about that?
― the late great, Friday, 31 August 2012 00:05 (eleven years ago) link
like i listened to the youtube you posted and it sounded more like orbitalife than bobby konders. so you owe me nothing but you're "music you haven't listened to" line is NOT as literally simple as that.
― the late great, Friday, 31 August 2012 00:06 (eleven years ago) link
anyway what the fuck do you think i owe you? there's a suggest ban button you can use OH NO THERE AIN'T!
― the late great, Friday, 31 August 2012 00:07 (eleven years ago) link
try a killfile maybe?
like congrats rob, you're the realest ukg dude alive, we should start calling you BRITCOCK
― the late great, Friday, 31 August 2012 00:09 (eleven years ago) link
to bring things back to civility though, what exactly IS the difference between monty luke and orbitalife i'm not getting, or is monty luke illustrating a side point that's not really your point?
― the late great, Friday, 31 August 2012 00:10 (eleven years ago) link
The Monty Luke tune is probably the one that sounds least like Nu Groove, though I was really thinking more of the Burrells than Konders when I made that comment, it was just listening to Konders that sparked the connection.
Though really I'm not sure how much turns on this dispute given 2007 post-minimal deepness was basically a Konders jack off sesh in any event.
The basic difference between 2007/2008 Euro and 2012 UKG in their reappropriations of house is precisely the deepness vs bubbliness divide I was discussing upthread. You've already said you're on the deepness side of that divide so it's hardly surprising you'd be underwhelmed.
― Tim F, Friday, 31 August 2012 00:16 (eleven years ago) link
Like "Orbitalife" would never get play by DJ Q and while I don't blame people for not getting that I think if you don't get it then you don't get it, i.e. the logic behind the music he plays. It's a distinction that is both subtle* and important.
* not in the sense of being minor or pedantic, but in terms of operating along an axis or line of division that doesn't accord with how most dance stans conceive of such things.
See also jimi on Disclosure.
― Tim F, Friday, 31 August 2012 00:18 (eleven years ago) link
eh
i guess i'm not tall enough for this fairground ride
― the late great, Friday, 31 August 2012 00:21 (eleven years ago) link
no it's more like you're going up to the fairground ride getting butthurt it won't sell you a leg of lamb
i mentioned like twenty tunes before that monty luke (tangentially remarked on in context and really only jokily cos of the subject) that "you had better things to do than listen to" before turning up to demand some attention - you can't have been any more disrespectful here so don't make me laugh bleating about civility
― r|t|c, Friday, 31 August 2012 00:33 (eleven years ago) link
vahid TBC i'm not having a go at you, more saying that possibly there are legitimate differences in aesthetic approach at work.
Anyone approaching this stuff from a pro-deepness angle is going to be disappointed.
― Tim F, Friday, 31 August 2012 01:09 (eleven years ago) link
no i know, this is issue is clearly more subtle than what you could figure out from a Monty Luke YouTube
― the late great, Friday, 31 August 2012 01:14 (eleven years ago) link
rtc's most recent youtubes even considered all together probably overstate the role of bouncy house in this interzone I think (I assume for the purpose of teasing out that strand)?
I mean Q is typically housier than you'd expect from (say) his FACT mix, but this stuff is all intermingled with 2-step and grime and etc.
And the housey tunes sound different in that context than they do in another context - say, a Hot Creations DJ mix.
This goes back as well to what I was saying about the difference between normal eclecticism and the very specific kind of "golden thread" eclecticism which Q has (he's not unique in this regard - perhaps more the inverse of say a Moodymann).
― Tim F, Friday, 31 August 2012 01:24 (eleven years ago) link
You know what's really good? The Moda Black comp that features Celsius' "Must Be You" - more on a straight Hot Creations tip by and large but OMG at Hot SInce 82's "Knee Deep In Louise" and Lukas' "Best in Show".
― Tim F, Friday, 31 August 2012 10:57 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM4-X7apPus
― Tim F, Friday, 31 August 2012 10:59 (eleven years ago) link
Oooh, "Jagged Edge" is pretty good. Vocal thing like on Tropical 2. I wish I could eat pizza though. I don't understand all the sub-classifications, but this thread usually has some stuff I like. (Meanwhile, the overwhelming bulk of electronic dance music does nothing for me. Started going through the 00s poll winners, the Spotify-available ones anyway, and as usual I find myself skipping a lot.)
― the optics aren't what they look like (_Rudipherous_), Friday, 31 August 2012 14:34 (eleven years ago) link