rolling "Is This Racist?" thread

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France is so fucking racist

^^^

all their anti-muslim shit is deplorable

france, like pretty much any country, has a lot of shitty racist tendencies and laws but this case...i dunno. looks like they're willfully breaking their contract and they're being suspended WITH PAY so...

i think being properly fed and hydrated is such basic common sense in regards to child care that it shouldn't even have to be a written requirement. can imagine these cranky, dizzy counselors marching a bunch of kids around in the sun all day.

what relevance does the mayor being a communist have?

are there a lot of communists in france? seems a weird thing to be.

what relevance does the mayor being a communist have?

Four facilitators have been suspended after the visit of an official of the City Hall in a holiday centre in the city to Port of Albret (Landes) on July 20, the first day of ramadan. They had to leave the next day but their wages continued to be paid. The Town Hall had hired them in CSD for a stay in Port, in the Landes, started on 5 July.

It appears to be a city-run camp.

i think being properly fed and hydrated is such basic common sense in regards to child care that it shouldn't even have to be a written requirement. can imagine these cranky, dizzy counselors marching a bunch of kids around in the sun all day.

Nurses, doctors, etc, etc who happen to be Muslim seem to manage. It sounds like the contract has been specifically designed to stop them fasting. That would need some serious justification.

Yeah, being a doctor or a nurse is nowhere near as physically active as being a camp counselor.

Ha! Tell that to a nurse. Some (not all) pro athletes fast. Working at a day camp might be tough but there are any number of physically challenging jobs that people manage fine with. Unless there's a really strong reason for prohibiting it, it's difficult to see a justification.

its well known that all muslim countries shut down all camps schools and daycare during ramadan

one big reason why muslims have never run a successful civilization is that theyve always been too tired to have successful daycamps

I thought muslim countries for the most part shut down during Ramadan. You're supposed to pray all day, right? Guess that's not fully the case? Still, it's the kind of thing where as someone in charge of a child, you should be able to take care of yourself to make sure that you're able to respond optimally to whatever situation may arise.

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theres a famous verse in the koran -- "No matter what, you have to fast, dawn till dusk. Literally, no exceptions."

you can fast while taking care of kids fwiw

no... pretty sure you cant

Yeah, being a doctor or a nurse is nowhere near as physically active as being a camp counselor.

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o rly

every year in muslims countries thousands of childrens die at the hands of fasting caretakers

ortho jewish day camps pretty much shut down all activities during the two summer fast days - u def don't want your lifeguard in the middle of a fast

anyway, france has kind of a pattern when it comes to this kind of thing...hard to take the camp at its word.

i don't think it's inconceivable that a person might be rendered incapable of working during ramadan, but most muslims who fast, especially in non-muslims countries, work for a month fasting every year. you get used to it.

u def don't want your lifeguard in the middle of a fast

i thought eating before swimming was dangerous

i feel like it would be really hard to know if the fasting woman got in a car accident because she was fasting or just because people get into car accidents sometimes. i would be interested in hearing more details about that. i have driven while fasting so many times y'all.

but were you driving fast?

*rimshot*

this is straying from the point but the hardest thing about ramadan as an adult is caffeine restriction if you're an addict like me. the no food from dawn to dusk thing is cake in comparison.

Coffee cake?

I just watched a biking documentary where one guy in the desert made breakfast like this: One gas station cherry pie, sprinkled with coffee grounds. That could be you!

also, a dawn to dusk fast is significantly less debilitating than a 24 hour fast

i'd be more concerned about the health, esp related to hydration, of anyone fasting while working at a camp than i'd be concerned about the children

to be completely honest, sometimes i have thought ramadan-in-its-full-devotional-dimension is not completely compatible with modern lives/economies. in muslim countries, stuff does tend to shut down during the day during ramadan and sometimes i wonder how that's economically feasible, but i don't know the particulars in much detail. (also the idea of an order where people don't have to work for a month seems kind of awesome to me, but that's neither here nor there.) in non-muslim countries, muslims fast all month and do their work. i used to be one of those muslims and i never had a problem.

xp it's really fine. you hydrate a lot before dawn and when you break you fast at dusk.

speaking as someone who worked at camps during fast days, even if you hydrate before dawn and after dusk you're still being exposed to very hot weather that really necessitates hydration throughout the day. this is why, i believe, ortho camps do indoor movie watching type stuff on fast days and not regularly scheduled sports/outdoors/swimming/hiking type programming

yeah, i mean, i worked in a camp this summer and it is hard for me to imagine not drinking water all day, but i don't know. maybe this is wack faux-biology on my part, but i feel like fasting for a month, your body kind of re-adjusts and regulates itself differently.

I'll admit that I was sorta shocked when I learned that anothe, Muslim, student had scheduled his board exam at the end of Ramadan. Like, dude, it's high summer and you're studying with no brain sugar. But he told me that you just get used to it.

Also loads of ppl in the world do what Muslims do on the reg, without thinking about it: coffee/snack in the morning, skip lunch, go home and eat dinner.

my dad has practiced pediatrics his entire professional life fasting during ramadan. will no one think of the misdiagnosed children?

kidding! he's not misdiagnosing children, guys, i promise!

what relevance does the mayor being a communist have?

He's not a Catholic trying to keep France 'European'. He's a secularist trying to lessen the influence of religion on public law and behavior. If you know about the Lois Ferry (the Ferry Laws) of 1881 which made education obligatory, free and, in the case of public education, secular, and the firestorm they have always sparked on the French Right, you can see the context here. Communists in France are occasionally demagogues when it comes to race and culture but they're not the FN or the Action française and generally, they predictably downplay traditional culture(s) and identity in preference to class identity.

They should also bar Type-II diabetics from working in children's camps.

It's a context that has often made me get in massive arguments with French leftists about what I would call 'First Amendment' rights. Having a rooted national culture in a way that we do not (despite WASP hegemony), one that precedes rational ideology and professes loyalty not so much to ideals as racial, even local custom, and to Catholicism ('The eldest daughter of the Church', Pepin as savior of the Papacy, etc...), secular French leftists are far more suspicious of individual religious autonomy than Americans are. Religion has been a huge thorn in the side of France for centuries.

What I find interesting about this whole kerfuffle is that the camp workers seem to have provoked the whole thing. It's as if they're saying, "We're here. We're Muslim. Get used to it!"

I guess maybe that rhymes in French?

ban vegans from camp counseling

We're talking camp counselors here, right? These Muslims can't be older than 22, right

There are over 40,000 inhabitants in Gennevilliers and a new mosque, built in 2009.

Is Kia-Ora racist?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UB2xYdjt7bE&feature=related

or Um Bongo?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=wYj5o4kQsXs

where is gygax I