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it was just so weird to have the bad guy motivated by vengeance and then we find out it's like, 3rd-hand revenge he wants for a guy he didnt even like anyway

http://nonadventures.com/2012/07/28/anti-monitor/

She pulled all the strings - but she was so good you didn't see it!

I think I shed a tear three times, though maybe not at that bit. One of Bane's bits (maybe his speech to the masses about taking over the city), Anne Hathaway's "you've given these people everything" and then the kiss. I cry a lot.

fair enough, and I do cry at films but not this one - I can see a tear at the "you've given..." quote and then the "not enough" response.

The kiss was funny - this bomb is gonna blow in a minute but lets get a snog in there! I thought it was a tribute to Hiroshima Mon Amour for a sec.

The only thing that really annoyed me is that if you have a bomb that will explode due to nuclear decay, that shit is pretty random! You're not going to get a to-the-second timer, surely?

I think that Anne Hathaway's character was rather underwritten (though not as underwritten as her pal Juno Temple's wtf) – her anti-rich stuff specifically. But with what she was given I thought she totally lit up the screen with her performance and gave the film another dimension.

It was a lot about the way she looked too – her face, that lipstick, the way she was lit by Wally Pfister, who hasn't received much credit in this thread. Although I rated the film-making as highly when when I saw it in a crappy digital, pixelly projection, the way some of those shots looked like on IMAX film (not so much the scale – just the quality of the image) was like night and day. Some shots you wanted to hang on a wall were reduced to low contrast mush in the multiplex.

("underwritten" probably the wrong word re: Juno Temple – I'm guessing a lot of her stuff was cut out)

Yeah I'm looking forward to this at the IMAX -- must wait till the end of August, unfortunately.

lol Andrew, fuck knows how that device worked! Another 'plot hole' indeed.

Wondered what the relationship with Juno Temple was. Was it romantic too?

Apparently a ref to Catwoman's roommate in Year One

yeah, she's a kid in Year One though

How do you turn a fusion reactor into a fissile bomb

By asking your brother to collaborate on the script.

I think that makes it a facile bomb.

i think the most awkward use of technology was having batman holding a flash drive, tbh. couldn't they have outsourced some of the 'how-to' stuff to just the idea that he was gonna get morgan freeman to do it? one of the deleted scenes is catwoman calling batman at 1am saying that she doesn't have the right drivers installed, & batman asking her which OS she uses & telling her to check the manufacturer website.

Reminds me of one of Adam Carolla's bits mocking movie villain executive-types shown to be all-powerful with walls of computers/screens, but not shown where they call Doris their secretary because they forgot their password again and the machine locked them out.

Why did we need two different ticking-clock scenes in the movie, anyway?

Also, TV Tropes chimes in with the relevant cliches:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GoingCritical

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DidNotDoTheResearch

i kinda hate plot devices like "the computer program that will erase you from the world's crime databases"

"The computer program will erase you from ILX."

"Oh fuck."

*contingent of supervillians descend on Gotham from all corners of the globe*

haha

Oh, I meant to mention the clean slate thing. I liked that as a theme (not sure if it's been dealt with by Hollywood before) but like her anti-capitalism, it felt rather undeveloped. Was it just her criminal record that she wanted wiped so she could start again, or, as Ned jokes, something wider about the internet? I think she has a line about everything you do being all over social media or something?

Batwitter

in the next reboot the bat-signal will just be a hashtag

She just wants her old, embarrassing Myspace page deleted forever, like it never happened.

Don't we all? Don't we all...

http://image.blingee.com/images19/content/output/000/000/000/79e/778356097_1896172.gif

haha

The only thing that really annoyed me is that if you have a bomb that will explode due to nuclear decay, that shit is pretty random! You're not going to get a to-the-second timer, surely?

why do you think this?

holy shit at the cops triumphantly marching out to savagely beat the poor people's revolutionary army and restore gotham's elite to their rightful penthouses. did not like this movie.

it was just so weird to have the bad guy motivated by vengeance and then we find out it's like, 3rd-hand revenge he wants for a guy he didnt even like anyway

I don't think he's motivated by vengeance, but by love for Talia and a desire to carry out whatever she has planned. Which is why I can see 13 yr old girls writing Bane fan fiction.

Wait, so how old is Bane? If he protected her when she was a child, when he himself was more or less grown, and she in the movie is, like, pushing 40, then wouldn't Bane be closer to ... 60?

He retroactively unaged.

I don't think he's motivated by vengeance, but by love for Talia and a desire to carry out whatever she has planned. Which is why I can see 13 yr old girls writing Bane fan fiction.

― LISTEN TO THIS BRAD (Nicole), Sunday, July 29, 2012 10:17 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ya but the movie really tries to sell him carrying a massive grudge, it really deflates his character's desire to inflict misery on b-man if he's just trying to impress a girl

yeah, it makes even less sense since he was only able to see Talia again BECAUSE Bats broke up the League of Shadows in BB (as said above), but i guess the character has no real desires of his own so it's ok?

The late great: check out the probabilistic nature of half life section: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-life

<I>holy shit at the cops triumphantly marching out to savagely beat the poor people's revolutionary army and restore gotham's elite to their rightful penthouses. did not like this movie.</I>

I did feel weird at being asked to cheer this (all the more so since they're advancing into small-arms fire), but the revolutionary army is still 100% Blackgate prisoners, yeah?

ah i see andrew ... but one decay doesn't cause a nuclear bomb to go off

like the whole reason carbon dating works is that even though it's completely unknown how long it will take one carbon nucleus to decay, if we have like 10^23 of them we can get a pretty sharp idea of how long it will take half of them to decay

it's really really really hard to say exactly what would happen with that bomb since it's *completely imaginary*

but in general machines that depend on nuclear decays or atomic transitions to trigger something are using very large numbers of atoms so it's not all as random as that

you know the more i think about it the more and more farfetched it seems, like there's nothing in theory to rule something like that out, but it's also got nothing to do w/ either how a real reactor works or how a real atom bomb works

in other words you *could* make a to-the-second timer w/ the right materials *but* that would have nothing to do w/ either how a reactor meltdown works or how a bomb works.

Maybe that's why only that one guy could defuse such a bomb.

holy shit at the cops triumphantly marching out to savagely beat the poor people's revolutionary army and restore gotham's elite to their rightful penthouses

― adam, Sunday, July 29, 2012 10:08 PM

brought a tear to my eye. cops being as oppressed as they are in this country nice to finally see them get theirs

it really blew me away that the example of gotham's ultimate chaos and degeneration was park ave ppl getting kicked out of their homes

i mean not that i'm in favour of that but

i guess they were really going for the Tale of Two Cities thing but urm...yeah I did not feel right watching that

more like a tale of two shitties imo

that was beneath even you, bro

i only call em like i see em

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d5/Garfield_A_Tail_of_Two_Kitties.jpg/220px-Garfield_A_Tail_of_Two_Kitties.jpg

also did anyone find it a bit weak that the un-escapable prison of death provided a safety rope for its potential escapees

i also LOLed at the rope at the top that dude threw down after he got out

the prison was ridiculous in every respect

ask and ye shall receive: http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2012/07/30/the_dark_knight_rises_climbing_scenes_don_t_make_any_sense_at_all.html