rolling "Is This Racist?" thread

honestly at first i gave her benefit of the doubt and assumed she wanted to show how ~absurd~ racism is by trying to get white ppl to relate (still completely racist) but after reading more i'm 100% convinced she's angry about reverse racism

^^ "by" meant "and trying to get white ppl..."

You might be right. It does sound like it has just taken the central theme of Noughts & Crosses (black ppl, or "crosses", oppress white ppl, or "noughts") and combined it with the survivalism of Hunger Games in an attempt to cash in but there could be a more sinister motive.

Noughts & Crosses is explicitly aimed at getting kids to think about racism from an alternative perspective and change their own assumptions / behaviours. However badly this has been written, and whatever motivation the author has, i assume the success of Malorie Blackman's series would have at least influenced the way this one was received.

Imo this book is about a bunch of weird racial issues the author has. Im not even going to get into the interracial relationship part, but the white supremacist fear of what poc would do in retaliation for their oppression if white privelege disappeared is a long-running theme in white supremacist thought. I mean, its the basic driving force in conservative immigration policy right?

cannot believe this book is real.

i didn't know about Noughts and Crosses either

please tell me the awards this foyt lady has won for these novels are basically you nominate yourself and you win awards. i can't stop thinking about these books and kids actually being encouraged to read them.

oh, wait, is she a self-publisher?

noughts and crosses is some UK thing, right? I don't think it's a us book.

http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/2012/07/31/01016-20120731ARTFIG00471-animateurs-suspendus-pour-avoir-jeune-colere-du-cfcm.php

Four Muslim summer camp workers have been suspended (w/pay) from a camp in Gennevilliers (just north of Paris) for observing Ramadan and not eating or drinking during the day. They claim they specifically did it to open a debate on the subject. Three years ago a Muslim woman working at the camp was involved in a bad car accident that injured some campers including a child. The suspended workers' CDDs (Fixed Term Contracts) specifically state that they must be "properly" fed and hydrated so as to be able to watch over their charges. The mayor of the town, interestingly, is communist. The CFCM, the French national Muslim association, has announced it's going to sue on the grounds of discrimination.

france

How laconic

Three years ago a Muslim woman working at the camp who was fasting for Ramadan was involved in a bad car accident that injured some campers including a child.

France is so fucking racist

b-b-but they love Miles Davis

France is so fucking racist

^^^

all their anti-muslim shit is deplorable

france, like pretty much any country, has a lot of shitty racist tendencies and laws but this case...i dunno. looks like they're willfully breaking their contract and they're being suspended WITH PAY so...

i think being properly fed and hydrated is such basic common sense in regards to child care that it shouldn't even have to be a written requirement. can imagine these cranky, dizzy counselors marching a bunch of kids around in the sun all day.

what relevance does the mayor being a communist have?

are there a lot of communists in france? seems a weird thing to be.

what relevance does the mayor being a communist have?

Four facilitators have been suspended after the visit of an official of the City Hall in a holiday centre in the city to Port of Albret (Landes) on July 20, the first day of ramadan. They had to leave the next day but their wages continued to be paid. The Town Hall had hired them in CSD for a stay in Port, in the Landes, started on 5 July.

It appears to be a city-run camp.

i think being properly fed and hydrated is such basic common sense in regards to child care that it shouldn't even have to be a written requirement. can imagine these cranky, dizzy counselors marching a bunch of kids around in the sun all day.

Nurses, doctors, etc, etc who happen to be Muslim seem to manage. It sounds like the contract has been specifically designed to stop them fasting. That would need some serious justification.

Yeah, being a doctor or a nurse is nowhere near as physically active as being a camp counselor.

Ha! Tell that to a nurse. Some (not all) pro athletes fast. Working at a day camp might be tough but there are any number of physically challenging jobs that people manage fine with. Unless there's a really strong reason for prohibiting it, it's difficult to see a justification.

its well known that all muslim countries shut down all camps schools and daycare during ramadan

one big reason why muslims have never run a successful civilization is that theyve always been too tired to have successful daycamps

I thought muslim countries for the most part shut down during Ramadan. You're supposed to pray all day, right? Guess that's not fully the case? Still, it's the kind of thing where as someone in charge of a child, you should be able to take care of yourself to make sure that you're able to respond optimally to whatever situation may arise.

http://tapestryofgrace.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/oxygen-mask.jpg

theres a famous verse in the koran -- "No matter what, you have to fast, dawn till dusk. Literally, no exceptions."

you can fast while taking care of kids fwiw

no... pretty sure you cant

Yeah, being a doctor or a nurse is nowhere near as physically active as being a camp counselor.

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o rly

every year in muslims countries thousands of childrens die at the hands of fasting caretakers

ortho jewish day camps pretty much shut down all activities during the two summer fast days - u def don't want your lifeguard in the middle of a fast

anyway, france has kind of a pattern when it comes to this kind of thing...hard to take the camp at its word.

i don't think it's inconceivable that a person might be rendered incapable of working during ramadan, but most muslims who fast, especially in non-muslims countries, work for a month fasting every year. you get used to it.

u def don't want your lifeguard in the middle of a fast

i thought eating before swimming was dangerous

i feel like it would be really hard to know if the fasting woman got in a car accident because she was fasting or just because people get into car accidents sometimes. i would be interested in hearing more details about that. i have driven while fasting so many times y'all.

but were you driving fast?

*rimshot*

this is straying from the point but the hardest thing about ramadan as an adult is caffeine restriction if you're an addict like me. the no food from dawn to dusk thing is cake in comparison.

Coffee cake?

I just watched a biking documentary where one guy in the desert made breakfast like this: One gas station cherry pie, sprinkled with coffee grounds. That could be you!

also, a dawn to dusk fast is significantly less debilitating than a 24 hour fast

i'd be more concerned about the health, esp related to hydration, of anyone fasting while working at a camp than i'd be concerned about the children

to be completely honest, sometimes i have thought ramadan-in-its-full-devotional-dimension is not completely compatible with modern lives/economies. in muslim countries, stuff does tend to shut down during the day during ramadan and sometimes i wonder how that's economically feasible, but i don't know the particulars in much detail. (also the idea of an order where people don't have to work for a month seems kind of awesome to me, but that's neither here nor there.) in non-muslim countries, muslims fast all month and do their work. i used to be one of those muslims and i never had a problem.

xp it's really fine. you hydrate a lot before dawn and when you break you fast at dusk.

speaking as someone who worked at camps during fast days, even if you hydrate before dawn and after dusk you're still being exposed to very hot weather that really necessitates hydration throughout the day. this is why, i believe, ortho camps do indoor movie watching type stuff on fast days and not regularly scheduled sports/outdoors/swimming/hiking type programming

yeah, i mean, i worked in a camp this summer and it is hard for me to imagine not drinking water all day, but i don't know. maybe this is wack faux-biology on my part, but i feel like fasting for a month, your body kind of re-adjusts and regulates itself differently.

I'll admit that I was sorta shocked when I learned that anothe, Muslim, student had scheduled his board exam at the end of Ramadan. Like, dude, it's high summer and you're studying with no brain sugar. But he told me that you just get used to it.

Also loads of ppl in the world do what Muslims do on the reg, without thinking about it: coffee/snack in the morning, skip lunch, go home and eat dinner.